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AGLC: Certain Children v Minister for Families and Children [2016] VSC 796
Case: [2016] VSC 796
Decision Date: 21 December 2016

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Certain Children v Minister for Families and Children [2016] VSC 796

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Williams v Director-General of the Justice and Community Safety Directorate [2025] ACTSC 396
Citation 1

…III Eur Court HR 261 Certain Children v Minister for Families and Children (No 2) [2017] VSC 251; 52 VR 441 Certain Children v Minister for Families [2016] VSC 796; 51 VR 473 Crime and Corruption Commission v Carne [2023] HCA 28; 97 ALJR 737 Davidson v Director-General, Justice and Community Safety Directorate […
Baldwin v State of Queensland (Queensland Health) [2025] QIRC 224
Citation 2 (Para 8)

…[2021] QSC 273, [177] (Martin J). [35] Certain Children by their Litigation Guardian Sister Marie Brigid Arthur v Minister for Families and Children (2016) 51 VR 473.…
Millington v Peach (No 2) [2025] ACTSC 21
Citation 3

…l (NSW) v Quin [1990] HCA 21; 170 CLR 1 Certain Children by their Litigation Guardian Sister Marie Brigid Arthur v Minister for Families and Children [2016] VSC 796; 51 VR 473 CPCF v Minister for Immigration and Border Protection [2015] HCA 1; 255 CLR 514 Davidson v Director-General, Justice and Community Safety…
Mizner v State of Queensland (Corrective Services) & anors [2024] QCAT 468
Citation 4 (Para 5)

…Act, Law Book Company (2022) [HRA.30.40] citing Application for Bail by HL (No 2) [2017] VSC 1; Certain Children v Minister for Families and Children (2016) 51 VR 473; Certain Children v Minister for Families and Children (No 2) (2017) 52 VR 441; DPP v Tiba [2013] VCC 1075; Dale v DPP [2009] VSCA 212; Attorney-Gene…
BHP Coal Pty Ltd & Ors v Chief Executive, Department of; Environment, Science and Innovation [2024] QLC 7
Citation 5

…uardian Sister Marie Brigid Arthur v Minister for Families and Children (No 1) (2016) 51 VR 473 ; [2016] VSC 796, applied Cement Australia (Exploration) Pty Ltd & Anor v East End Mine Action Group (No 4) [2021] QLC 22, applied Gloucester Resources Limited v Minister for Planning [2019] NSWLEC 7, cited Innes v Ele…
Johnston & Ors v Carroll (Commissioner of the Queensland Police Service) & Anor; Witthahn & Ors v Wakefield (Chief Executive of Hospital and Health Services and Director General of Queensland Health); Sutton & Ors... [2024] QSC 2
Citation 6

…at 691 [126] per Riordan J; Certain Children by their Litigation Guardian Sister Marie Brigid Arthur v Minister for Families and Children (No 1) (2016) 51 VR 473 at 496 [143] per Garde J; Islam v Director-General, Department of Justice and Community Safety Directorate [2018] ACTSC 322 at [67]-[68] per McWilliam As…
Vanilla Rentals v Tenant [2023] QCAT 519
Citation 7 (Para 1)

…he sex, age and state of health of the alleged victim. (footnotes omitted, emphasis added) [21][2021] QSC 273 [177] (‘ Owen-Darcy ’). [22](2016) 51 VR 473. [23]Ibid, [161].…
Williams v Australian Capital Territory [2023] ACTSC 18
Citation 8

…in “the broadest possible way”: see Certain Children by their Litigation Guardian Sister Marie Brigid Arthur v Minister for Families and Children [2016] VSC 796; 51 VR 473 ( Certain Children ) at [143] and the authorities there-cited.…
Waratah Coal Pty Ltd v Youth Verdict Ltd & Ors (No 6) [2022] QLC 21
Citation 9

…es and Children & Ors (No 2) (2017) 52 VR 441 Certain Children v Minister for Families and Children (2016) 51 VR 473 Coast and Country Association of Queensland Inc v Smith & Ors [2016] QCA 242 Coast and Country Association of Queensland Inc v Smith & Ors [2015] QSC 260 Committee on the Rights of the Child, Views:…
Owen-D'Arcy v Chief Executive, Queensland Corrective Services [2021] QSC 273
Citation 10

…51 VR 473 Certain Children v Minister for Families and Children (No 2) (2017) 52 VR 441 Corporation of the Canadian Civil Liberties Association v Canada (2019) 144 OR (3d) 641 De Bruyn v Victorian Institute of Forensic Mental Health (2016) 48 VR 647 DG v Ireland (2002) 35 EHRR 33 DPP (Vic) v Kaba (2014) 44 VR 526…
Davidson v Director-General, Justice and Community Safety Directorate [2022] ACTSC 83
Citation 11

…8 VR 141 Certain Children v Minister for Families and Children (No 2) [2017] VSC 251; 52 VR 441 Certain Children v Minister for Families and Children [2016] VSC 796; 51 VR 473 CNK v The Queen [2011] VSCA 228; 32 VR 641…
McHugh v Minister for Immigration, Citizenship, Migrant Services and Multicultural Affairs [2020] FCA 416
Citation 12

…n Children v Minister for Families and Children (No 2) [2017] VSC 251; 52 VR 441 CIC Insurance Ltd v Bankstown Football Club Ltd [1997] HCA 2; 187 CLR 384 Cody v J H Nelson Pty Ltd [1947] HCA 17; 74 CLR 629 Commonwealth of Australia v Anti-Discrimination Tribunal (Tas) [2008] FCAFC 104; 169 FCR 85 Commonwealth v…
Islam v Director-General, Department of Justice and Community Safety Directorate [2018] ACTSC 322
Citation 13 (Para 1)

…or proportionate: see, by analogy, Certain Children by their Litigation Guardian Sister Marie Brigid Arthur v Minister for Families and Children [2016] VSC 796; 51 VR 473 ( Certain Children v Minister for Families ), at [143] (and the authority there-cited), a Victorian case discussed further below at [59] of th…
Graham v Minister for Immigration and Border Protection [2018] FCA 1012
Citation 14 (Para 1)

…In Certain Children v Minister for Families and Children (2016) 51 VR 473; [2016] VSC 796 at [319], Garde J applied Moran to conclude that young persons in detention, who were transferred from youth justice facilities in Parkville and Malmsbury to a newly-created youth justice facility called the Grevillea Youth…
Baker v DPP [2017] VSCA 58
Citation 15

…[43][2016] VSC 796.…
Minister for Families and Children v Certain Children [2016] VSCA 343
Citation 16 (Para 1)

…006 (the ‘Charter’).[2] [1] Certain Children by their litigation guardian Sister Marie Brigid Arthur v Minister for Families and Children [2016] VSC 796 (‘Reasons’) [295], [321]. [2]Ibid [230], [321].…
SQH v Scott [2022] QSC 16
Citation 17 (Para 17)

…approach in Certain Children v Minister for Families and Children [140] and Certain Children v Minister for Families and Children (No 2) .[141] [140](2016) 51 VR 473 [2016] at [212]-[213]. [141](2017) 52 VR 441 at [208]-[212], [216]-[218].…
Islam v Director-General, Justice and Community Safety Directorate [2021] ACTSC 33
Citation 18

…and Authority [2008] ACTCA 9 Cenbauer v Croatia [2006] ECHR 73786/01 (2007) 44 EHRR 49 Certain Children v Minister for Families [2016] VSC 796; 51 VR 473 Commissioner of Corrective Services v Liristis [2018] NSWCA 143; 98 NSWLR 113 Islam v Director-General Justice and Community Safety Directorate (No 3) [2016] AC…
Shell Road Development Pty Ltd v Minister for Planning [2025] VSC 525
Citation 19 (Para 1)

…a) Minister for Families and Children v Arthur (2016) 51 VR 597, [95]. See also Certain Children v Minister for Families and Children (2016) 51 VR 473, [272] (Garde J), being the judgment from which the appeal in Arthur was unsuccessfully brought. (b) Caswell v Powell Duffryn Associated Collieries Ltd [1940] AC 152…
Minogue v Thompson [2021] VSC 56
Citation 20 (Para 1)

…Bruyn v Victorian Institute of Forensic Mental Health (2016) 48 VR 647, [139]–[142]; Certain Children v Minister for Families and Children (2016) 51 VR 473, [182]–[189] ( Certain Children (No 1) ); Certain Children v Minister for Families and Children (No 2) (2017) 52 VR 441, [220]–[225] ( Certain Children (No 2)…
Loielo v Giles (No 2) [2020] VSC 864
Citation 21

…[17] Certain Children v Minister for Families and Children (2016) 51 VR 473, 508 [188] (citations omitted).…
EZ (a pseudonym) v Commonwealth of Australia [2020] VSC 871
Citation 22

…[34](2016) 51 VR 473.…
Loielo v Giles [2020] VSC 722
Citation 23

…[8] Certain Children (by their litigation guardian, Sister Marie Brigid Arthur) v Minister for Families and Children (2016) 51 VR 473, 508 [188] (citations omitted)).…
Knight v Sellman [2020] VSC 320
Citation 24 (Para 3)

…an right ‘reflects that protected by the common law’.[250] [245](2015) 48 VR 129 (Court of Appeal) (‘ Bare ’). [246](2016) 51 VR 473, 516 [228], 537-8 [321(6)] (Garde J); affd Minister for Families and Children v Arthur (2016) 51 VR 597, 599 [5], 601 [17], 623 [105]-[107] (Warren CJ, Maxwell P, Weinberg JA). [247](…
LG v Melbourne Health [2019] VSC 183
Citation 25 (Para 1)

…18. This was an error of law, and was the third basis on which I allowed the appeal. [58]Cf Certain Children v Minister for Families and Children (2016) 51 VR 473, [202].…
Haigh v Ryan [2018] VSC 474
Citation 26

…[18](2016) 51 VR 473.…
ZD v Secretary to the Department of Health and Human Services [2017] VSC 806
Citation 27 (Para 1)

…): Certain Children v Minister for Families and Children (No 2) [2017] VSC 251 [260]–[262]; Certain Children v Minister for Families and Children [2016] VSC 796 [146]. See also Application for Bail by HL [2017] VSC 1 [123], in which it was also found that the CYFA itself provides guidance on the content of the ri…
McDonald v Legal Services Commissioner (No 2) [2017] VSC 89
Citation 28 (Para 1)

…Riordan J); Certain Children by their Litigation Guardian Sister Marie Brigid Arthur v Minister for Families and Children [2016] VSC 796 (21 December 2016) [143] (Garde J). [23]See further Sabet v Medical Practitioners Board (Vic) (2008) 20 VR 414, 431 [108] (Hollingworth J); Baker (a pseudonym) v DPP (Vic) [2017…
PQR v Secretary, Department of Justice and Regulation (No 2) [2017] VSC 514
Citation 29 (Para 1)

…ary, Department of Justice [2013] VSC 267 (22 May 2013) [54]–[71] (Bell J) (‘ ZZ ’ ); Certain Children v Minister for Families and Children [2016] VSC 796 (21 December 2016) [144]-[146] (Garde J ); Certain Children v Minister for Families and Children (No 2) [2017] VSC 251 (11 May 2017) [259]-[270] (Dixon J).…
Certain Children v Minister for Families and Children (No 2) [2017] VSC 251
Citation 30 (Para 1)

…J in Certain Children by their Litigation Guardian Sister Marie Brigid Arthur v Minister for Families and Children (‘ Certain Children ’).[2] [2][2016] VSC 796, [8]-[54].…
DPP v SE [2017] VSC 13
Citation 31

…(Bell J), ZZ v Secretary, Department of Justice [2013] VSC (22 May 2013) [54]-[71] (Bell J) and Certain Children v Minister for Families and Children [2016] VSC 796 (21 December 2016) [141]-[158] (Garde J).…
Application for Bail By HL (No 2) [2017] VSC 1
Citation 32 (Para 1)

…tres, but those orders were stayed until 28 December 2016 in anticipation of an urgent application to the Court of Appeal for leave to appeal. [5][2016] VSC 796 (Garde J). [6]See Interim Ruling, [23]. [7]At [295] and [321].…

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Day v The Queen [2021] SASCA 38
Citation 1 (Para 1)

…dress the plaintiffs’ claims if they are successful. [150]See Bennett v Superintendent, Rimutaka Prison [2002] 1 NZLR 616, 633; Day v The Queen (1984) 153 CLR 475, 485.…
Keenan v United Kingdom [2016] NZHC 2446
Citation 2 (Para 1)

…CCPR/C/86/D1184/2003 annex [9.2]. [53]Defendants’ submissions [149] citing: Kracke v Mental Health Review Board (2009) 29 VAR 1 [561]; see also Keenan v United Kingdom (2001) 33 EHRR 38, [109]; Pretty v United Kingdom (2002) 35 EHRR 1, [52]; DG v Ireland (2002) 35 EHRR 33, [95]; Denmark v Greece; Norway v Greece; Sweden v Greece…
Carolan v The Queen [2015] VSCA 167
Citation 3 (Para 1)

…egrading or inhuman treatment. [58]Defendants’ submissions [151] citing Bare v Independent Broad-based Anti-corruption Commission (‘Bare No 2’) (2015) 326 ALR 198, [222], [293], [464], [538], [559]. The defendants note that although the police conduct was not directly in question in the case, it was acknowledged that…
Dale v DPP [2009] VSCA 212
Citation 4 (Para 1)

…hes and shackling with leg irons when out of the unit, might raise questions under s 22(1), although it did not express a view on the matter.[83] [82][2009] VSCA 212. [83]Defendants’ submissions [159] citing Dale v Director of Public Prosecutions [2009] VSCA 212, [35]–[39]; see also DPP v Tiba [2013] VCC 1075, [30…
Taunoa v Attorney-General [2007] NZSC 70
Citation 5 (Para 1)

…reatment right, the purpose of the treatment is, at the very least, a factor to be taken into account.[57] [57]Defendants’ submissions [150] citing Taunoa v Attorney-General (2004) 7 HRNZ 379, [274]. The defendants note that whether treatment must be deliberate to infringe art 3 of the European Convention is unclear. Although the…
FAI Insurances Ltd v Winneke [1982] HCA 26
Citation 6 (Para 1)

…ovision.[153] Those authorities are R v Governor of South Australia ,[154] Horwitz v Connor, [155] and Banks v Transport Regulation Board .[156] [151](1982) 151 CLR 342. [152](1981) 151 CLR 170, 186. [153](1982) 151 CLR 342, [14]. [154](1907) 4 CLR 1497, 1512. [155](1908) 6 CLR 38, 40. [156](1968) 119 CLR 222, 241.…
R v Toohey; ex parte Northern Land Council [1981] HCA 74
Citation 7 (Para 1)

…rities are R v Governor of South Australia ,[154] Horwitz v Connor, [155] and Banks v Transport Regulation Board .[156] [151](1982) 151 CLR 342. [152](1981) 151 CLR 170, 186. [153](1982) 151 CLR 342, [14]. [154](1907) 4 CLR 1497, 1512. [155](1908) 6 CLR 38, 40. [156](1968) 119 CLR 222, 241.…
Banks v Transport Regulation Board (Vic) [1968] HCA 23
Citation 8 (Para 1)

…6] [151](1982) 151 CLR 342. [152](1981) 151 CLR 170, 186. [153](1982) 151 CLR 342, [14]. [154](1907) 4 CLR 1497, 1512. [155](1908) 6 CLR 38, 40. [156](1968) 119 CLR 222, 241.…
Thompson v Randwick Municipal Council [1953] HCA 75
Citation 9

…[144](1945) 72 CLR 37; see also Thompson v Randwick Municipal Council (1950) 81 CLR 87.…
Brownells Ltd v Ironmongers' Wages Board [1950] HCA 3
Citation 10

…[147]Ibid 186. Gibbs CJ went on to cite Brownells Ltd v Ironmongers’ Wages Board (1950) 81 CLR 108, 120.…
Arthur Yates & Co Pty Ltd v The Vegetable Seeds Committee [1945] HCA 55
Citation 11

…[144](1945) 72 CLR 37; see also Thompson v Randwick Municipal Council (1950) 81 CLR 87.…
Horwitz v Connor [1908] HCA 33
Citation 12 (Para 1)

…port Regulation Board .[156] [151](1982) 151 CLR 342. [152](1981) 151 CLR 170, 186. [153](1982) 151 CLR 342, [14]. [154](1907) 4 CLR 1497, 1512. [155](1908) 6 CLR 38, 40. [156](1968) 119 CLR 222, 241.…
The King v The Governor of the State of South Australia [1907] HCA 31
Citation 13 (Para 1)

…onnor, [155] and Banks v Transport Regulation Board .[156] [151](1982) 151 CLR 342. [152](1981) 151 CLR 170, 186. [153](1982) 151 CLR 342, [14]. [154](1907) 4 CLR 1497, 1512. [155](1908) 6 CLR 38, 40. [156](1968) 119 CLR 222, 241.…
De Bruyn v Victorian Institute of Forensic Mental Health [2016] VSC 111
Citation 14 (Para 1)

…he Court construes the right in ‘the broadest possible way’.[29] [28] De Bruyn v Victorian Institute of Forensic Mental Health ( ‘De Bruyn’ ) [2016] VSC 111, [102]. [29] DAS v Victorian Equal Opportunity and Human Rights Commission (2009) 24 VR 415, 434 [80]; De Bruyn [2016] VSC 111, [126].…
Moran v Secretary to the Department of Justice and Regulation [2015] VSC 593
Citation 15 (Para 1)

…dural fairness was recently considered in Moran v Secretary to the Department of Justice and Regulation [162] in the context of adult prisoners. [162][2015] VSC 593.…
ZZ v Secretary, Department of Justice [2013] VSC 267
Citation 16 (Para 1)

…November 1989, 1577 UNTS 3 (entered into force 2 September 1990) (‘CROC’). [32] Charter s 32(2); ZZ v Secretary to the Department of Justice [2013] VSC 267, [55]–[70].…
A & B v Children's Court of Victoria [2012] VSC 589
Citation 17

…[33]Article 12 is discussed in A & B v Children’s Court of Victoria [2012] VSC 589, [94]–[95].…
Davies v State of Victoria [2012] VSC 343
Citation 18 (Para 1)

…to a breach of the appellant’s Charter rights, including under s 10(b). [59]Defendants’ submissions [151] citing Davies v State of Victoria [2012] VSC 343, [56].…
Secretary, Department of Human Services v Sanding [2011] VSC 42
Citation 19

…[34][2011] VSC 42.…
Castles v Secretary, Department of Justice [2010] VSC 310
Citation 20 (Para 1)

…n the hardship or restraint that results from the deprivation of liberty.[75] [74] Castles v Secretary to the Department of Justice (‘ Castles ’) (2010) 28 VR 141, [93]. [75]Ibid [108].…
Re Application under the Major Crime (Investigative Powers) Act 2004 [2009] VSC 381
Citation 21 (Para 1)

…Institute of Forensic Mental Health ( ‘De Bruyn’ ) [2016] VSC 111, [102]. [29] DAS v Victorian Equal Opportunity and Human Rights Commission (2009) 24 VR 415, 434 [80]; De Bruyn [2016] VSC 111, [126].…
Director of Public Prosecutions v Tiba [2013] VCC 1075
Citation 22 (Para 1)

…][2009] VSCA 212. [83]Defendants’ submissions [159] citing Dale v Director of Public Prosecutions [2009] VSCA 212, [35]–[39]; see also DPP v Tiba [2013] VCC 1075, [30].…

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