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IN THE HIGH COURT OF AUSTRALIA
Office of the Registry
Sydney No S24 of 1991 B e t w e e n -
EDWARD COOKE SAILOR
Applicant
and
THE QUEEN
Respondent
Application for special leave
to appeal
BRENNAN J
TOOHEY J
McHUGH J
TRANSCRIPT OF PROCEEDINGS
AT SYDNEY ON THURSDAY, 13 FEBRUARY 1992, AT 10.27 AM
Copyright in the High Court of Australia
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| MR M.F. ADAMS, QC: | Your Honours, I appear with my learned |
friend, MR P. BYRNE, for the applicant.
(instructed by Arden Associates)
| MR R.O. BLANCH, QC: | May it please the Court, I appear with |
my learned friend, MR A.M. BLACKMORE, for the
Crown. (instructed by the Director of Public
Prosecutions (New South Wales))
BRENNAN J: Yes, Mr Adams.
| MR ADAMS: | The Court will have appreciated that this is yet |
another appeal that raises the applicability and
possibly the correctness of this Court's decision
in Johns. The matter has been agitated, I think,
last year in a number of cases but did not directly raise the argument in the way that we seek to argue it here. I wonder if I could very briefly refer to the facts and then sum up, in a couple of
sentences, what we say, with respect, is the real
question.
TOOHEY J: Could I just ask you this before you do,
Mr Adams? Something in what you just said might
suggest that Johns' case was under attack as
opposed to the application of that decision in the
particular case?
| MR ADAMS: | No, we would hope |
| TOOHEY J: | I only mention it because it is not apparent from |
the draft notice of appeal that that is in
contemplation.
| MR ADAMS: | I see, Your Honour. | I must confess that we would |
hope to glide past Johns in the sense that we say
that we would rely on certain of the language used in Johns to make good our submission as to what is
really the substance of the common purpose
direction and confine the Johns' direction and observations to the two issues with which Johns was fundamentally concerned, namely, what is the effect of a circumstance of the taking to a crime known to
all parties of a lethal weapon. We say lethalweapon cases are on one side and Johns is one. Secondly, the issue which we do not seek to agitate here which is the probability/possibility debate in
relation to foresight of consequences where the
question is whether what is foreseen is theintentional infliction of death or grievous bodily
harm. We do not seek to agitate either of those
two points. And I think that that is, if I may say so with respect, what distinguishes the way in which we seek to put this argument and the way in which it has been agitated before this Court recently.
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| BRENNAN J: | What is the principle in this case which allows |
you to glide past Johns, as you say?
| MR ADAMS: | We say… |
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- Sailor v The Queen [1992] HCATrans 46
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The legal issues before the Court involved determining the scope and applicability of the *Johns* decision, particularly in relation to common purpose directions. The applicant contended that *Johns* should be confined to specific circumstances, namely cases involving the taking of a lethal weapon to a crime and the debate surrounding the probability versus possibility of foresight of consequences in relation to the intentional infliction of death or grievous bodily harm. The applicant sought to distinguish their case from the direct agitation of the correctness of *Johns* itself, instead arguing for a narrower interpretation of its principles.
The applicant's argument, as presented, was that *Johns* was primarily concerned with imputed or constructive intention arising from knowledge of a lethal weapon's presence. They sought to limit the application of *Johns* to such "lethal weapon cases." The applicant argued that while *Johns* contained general statements, its principal concern was the probability versus possibility debate regarding foresight. They submitted that the proper rule, supported by language in *Johns*, is that the possibility of an event identifies the act for which an accused might be criminally responsible, but the extent of that responsibility must then be assessed by reference to their actual intent. The applicant's submission was that the direction given in their case conflicted with this principle by potentially imputing criminal responsibility based on contemplation of possibility without sufficient regard to actual intent, particularly outside the context of lethal weapons.
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