Philip Morris Limited & Ors v Commissioner of Business Franchises & Anor; Coastace Pty Limited & Anor v State of New South Wales & Ors; Harper v Minister for Sea Fisheries

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[1989] HCATrans 45

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IN THE HIGH COURT OF AUSTRALIA

Office of the Registry

Melbourne No M87 of 1987

B e t w e e n -

PHILIP MORRIS LIMITED, STATEWIDE

TOBACCO SERVICES LIMITED and

G.P.M. CIGARETTE DISTRIBUTORS

(AUSTRALIA) LIMITED

Plaintiffs

and

COMMISSIONER OF BUSINESS FRANCHISES

and THE STATE OF VICTORIA

Defendants

Case stated

Registry No C8 of 1987

B e t w e e n -

COASTACE PTY LIMITED

First Plaintiff

ROGER WILLIAM PETERS

Second Plaintiff

and

Philip Morris

STATE OF NEW SOUTH WALES

First Defendant

ANTHONY DANIEL CLYNE , CHIEF CXM1ISSIONER

FOR BUSINESS FRANCHISES LICENCES

(TOBACCO) OF NEW SOUTH WALES

Second Defendant

WAYNE DUESBURY

Third Defendant

IAN P SMITH

Fourth Defendant

Case stated

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Office of the Registry

Melbourne No Ml0 of 1988

B e t w e e n -

GEOFFREY ALAN HARPER

Plaintiff

and

MINISTER FOR SEA FISHERIES,

DIRECTOR OF SEA FISHERIES AND

THE STATE OF TASMANIA

Defendants

Demurrer

MASON CJ

BRENNAN J

DEANE J

DAWSON J

TOOHEY J

GAUDRON J

McHUGH J

TRANSCRIPT OF PROCEEDINGS

AT CANBERRA ON TUESDAY, 7 MARCH 1989, AT 10.28 AM

Copyright in the High Court of Australia

MR S.P. CHARLES, QC:  In Philip Morris Limited and Others, I

appear with MR N.J. YOUNG, on behalf of each of

the three plaintiffs. (instructed by Arthur Robinson

& Hedderwicks)

In the third matter, again I appear with

MR N.J. YOUNG, on behalf of the plaintiff, Harper.

(instructed by Freehill Hollingdale & Page)

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MR H.C. BERKELEY, QC, Solicitor-General for Victoria: If

the Court pleases, in the first matter I appear
with my learned friend, MRS S.M. CRENNAN, for
the defendants. (instructed by P.M. Fogarty,
Solicitor to Comptroller of Stamps and of Business

Franchises and G. Lewis, Victorian Governmmt Solicitor)

In the second matter, I appear with my learned

friend, MRS S.M. CRENNAN, to intervene for the

Attorney-General for the State of Victoria.

(instructed by G. Lewis, Victorian Government

Solicitor). And also in the third matter.

May I say, Your Honours, in the first matter,

if the plaintiffs seek to reargue DENNIS HOTELS,

we would oppose the granting of leave for that

purpose.

MASON CJ:  Yes.
MR D.F. JACKSON, QC:  May it please the Court, I appear

with my learned friend, MR P.J. McEWEN, for the

plaintiffs in the second matter. (instructed

by Glasheen & Quilty)

So far as the procedure to be followed by

the Court is concerned, may I say something, perhaps,

Your Honours, at the conclusion of the appearances?

MASON CJ:  Yes.

MR K. MASON, QC, Solicitor-General for New South Wales:

If the Court pleases, in the second matter I appear with my learned friends, MR R. SACKVILLE and

MR B.W. WALKER, for the defendants. (instructed

by the Crown Solicitor for New South Wales)

In the other two matters, I appear with the

same persons for the Attorney-General for New

South Wales intervening. (instructed by the Crown

Solicitor for New South Wales)

We take the same attitude as my learned friend,

the Solicitor-General for Victoria, about the

reopening of DENNIS HOTELS.

MASON CJ:  Yes, Mr Solicitor.

MR W.C.R. BALE, QC, Solicitor-General for Tasmania: May

it please the Court, in the third matter, that

is Harper, I appear with my learned friend,

MR M.A. STODDART, for the defendants. (instructed

by the Acting Crown Solicitor for Tasmania)

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I also appear with MR M.A. STODDART, intervening

in the first two matters, on behalf of the Attorney-

General of Tasmania. (instructed by the Acting

Crown Solicitor for Tasmania).

We are intervening in support of the interests

of the defendants in each of those cases and,

should it become relevant to do so, I would also

seek to make submissions to Your Honours opposing

any application for leave to reopen DICKENSON

or DENNIS HOTELS.

MASON CJ:  Yes, Mr Solicitor.

MR G. GRIFFITH,QC, Solicitor-General for the Commonwealth:

If the Court pleases, I apne~~ with my learned

friends, MR D.J. ROSE and:  ROBERTSON, in
the Philip Morris matter; -  1ppear with my learned

friends, MR A. ROBERTSON and .~RS. GAEGLER, in

the Coastace matter; and I appear with my learned

friends, MR A. ROBERTSON and MR T. CONNOLLY in

the Harper matter, on behalf of the Attorney-General for the Commonwealth. (instructed by the Australian

Government Solicitor)

We intervene, if the Court pleases, to support the status quo to the extent of not reopening

DENNIS HOTELS. If DENNIS HOTELS is to be reopened

our position is that reconsideration should be

confined to the correctness of the DENNIS HOTELS

exception.

MASON CJ:  Yes, Mr Solicitor.

MR K.H. PARKER, QC, Solicitor-General for Western Australia:

If it please Your Honours, I appear with my learned

friend, MSC. WHEELER, in each of the matters
on behalf of the Attorney-General for the State

of Western Australia to intervene. (instructed

by the Crown Solicitor for Western Australia)

We would take the position of my learned

friend, the Solicitor for Victoria, with respect
to DENNIS HOTELS. If leave is granted for that

to be reargued, we would be submitting that it

is necessary to consider the fundamental question

of the meaning of a duty of excise. We would

be arguing for a narrower view than has prevailed

in recent times and generally, in each of the

matters, we would be seeking to support the validity

of the impugned legislation.

MASON CJ:  Thank you, Mr Solicitor.
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MR J.J. DOYLE, QC, Solicitor-General for South Australia:

If the Court pleases, I appear with my friend,

MR B. SELWAY, for the Attorney-General for the

State of South Australia in all three matters.

(instructed by the Crown Solicitor for South Australia)

Your Honours, our respectful submission is that this is an appropriate case for the Court

to give leave for argument to be presented; that

certain previous decisions of the Court are wrong

and that reasoning contained in a number of judgments

is unsound. So we would seek leave, in due course,
to put that submission. However, it is also our

submission that it would be inappropriate for

the Court in any event to confine its attention

to the correctness of DENNIS HOTELS. In our

respectful submission, the Court should either

reconsider the matter as a whole or not at all

and we would also, at some convenient stage, seek

leave to put that submission. If the Court pleases.

MASON CJ:  Thank you, Mr Sol-icitor.
MR G.L. DAVIES, QC:  May it please the Court, I appear with

my learned friend, MR J. DOUGLAS, to intervene

for the Attorney-General for the State of Queensland

in all three matters, in support of the defendants

in each case. (instructed by the Crown Solicitor

for Queensland)

We would oppose leave being granted to reopen

DENNIS HOTELS.

MASON CJ:  Thank you, Mr Davies. Mr Jackson?

(Continued on page 5)

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MR JACKSON:  Your Honours, may I say just this, in so

far as the case with which we are concerned is
concerned, the question whether the DENNIS HOTELS

case and the other cases in that line should be

reopened may or may not be dealt with by the

Court as a separate point. To the extent to which

the Court proposes to deal with that

point in the case advanced by my learned

frien4Mr Charle~ before coming to our case,

if that is the course which the Court proposes to

adopt,we would seek leave to be heard on that

question in those cases.

MASON CJ: Yes. It does seem to the Court that that is

a matter that we should confront at this stage.

After all, there is EVDA NOMINEES

and it is a matter of determining what

attitude the Court should take, particularly
in the light of the fact that a number of counsel

appearing have indicated that they propose to argue that the matter should not be reopened.

MR JACKSON:  Yes. Your Honour, I have indicated my

application, but perhaps I could deal with our

submissions on the substantive point in that

regard after my learned friend.

MASON CJ:  It might be convenient to deal with it at

this stage, Mr Jackson.

MR JACKSON:  Certainly, Your Honour. Your Honours,

may I hand to the Court copies of our - - -

MASON CJ: 

Mr Jackson, if it would be more convenient, in the light of what you said, for Mr Charles

to precede you on this issue, by all means.
MR JACKSON:  Your Honour, that is what I had proposed.

MASON CJ: Yes.

MR JACKSON:  I am neutral on the point, but that might

seem a more convenient course as far as we are

concerned.

MASON CJ: Yes, well, if that has been arranged between

counsel and that is your preference, by all means

Mr Charles can precede you.

MR JACKSON:  Yes, very well, Your Honour.

MR CHARLES: If the Court pleases, I understand from

what has been just said that the Court would wish to

hear argument first on the question of whether

DENNIS HOTELS should be reopened. Your Honours,

may I hand up copies of our summary of argument.

I have nine copies here, which may be an unnecessary ex_travagance.

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MR CHARLES:  I hope that all members of the Court will have

copies of the Victorian leglislation with which the

first matter deals, the Philip Morris matter.

Your Honours, the BUSINESS FRANCHISE (TOBACCO) ACT

of 1974 - - -

MASON CJ:  We have that, Mr Charles.
MR CHARLES:  Your Honours, I should say at the outset that

so far as the PHILIP MORRIS case is concerned, at

least so far as two of the plaintiffs - I should

say this, the legislation is for practical purposes

identical with the legislation dealt with by

this Court in DICKENSON'S ARCADE. My learned

friend, the Solicitor for Victoria, has some matters

to put to the Court, Your Honours.

MR BER.."t(ELEY:  It is only. this, Your Honour: what I have got my instructor

to do is to paste up a copy of the Act as at December 1987 when

the r«it was issued. It has been arrended several tir:rx::s. It oight
be convenient for the Court to have the Act as at that date. -
MASON CJ:  Yes , thank· 'you.
MR CHARLES:  I was putting to Your Honours that the legislation

was dealt with by this Court in DICKENSON'S ARCADE.

In EVDA NOMINEES the Court will recall that some

five years ago the Court refused to hear argument

in relation to the reopening of DENNIS HOTELS. We
would submit, Your Honours, that there are six
reasons why the Court should now be prepared to
reconsider the question whether DENNIS HOTELS is
good law.

In the first place, Your Honours, this Court has

very recently in COLE V WHITFIELD reviewed the whole

of the law concerning section 92. Your Honours, the

reference to COLE V WHITFIELD, 72 ALJR 303 and 78 ALR 42.

We would submit that in the light of the fact that

the Court did embark on that wholesale review of

the law relating to section 92, this is an entirely

appropriate time to resolve disputed questions as to
the interpretation of section 90.
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MASON CJ: w1iat, merely because we did it in relation to

section 92?

MR CHARLES:  Not necessarily, Your Honour. We would say

that the fact that the Court embarked on that

approach resulted in a difference of approach

to sec t i on 9 2 . That m i g ht , in i ts e 1 f , have

repercussions in relation to the approach the

Court would take to our related section, we

would say.

MASON CJ: That is the important point, is it not, if

it does have such repercussions?

MR CHARLES:  Yes, I accept that, Your Honour. The second

matter, Your Honours, is that in PHILIP MORRIS,

the first of the plaintiffs is a producer.

In DENNIS HOTELS the tax was levied upon and

paid by someone other than a producer. Wes bmit,

accordingly, there is significant distinction,

in fact. That that is regarded as a significant

distinction, in fact, we would submit is to

be found in the judgments of the decision GOSFORD

MEATS V NEW SOUTH WALES, 155 CLR 368, and in

relation to the judgments in that case,

Your Honours, we would submit that it is plain

from the judgments of three members of the majority

that the fact that the plaintiff there was a

producer was a matter of very considerable

consequence.

We would submit that those members of the

Court were disinclined to permit the reasoning in DENNIS HOTELS to apply to a producer rather

than to someone who entered the relevant chain

relating to the commodity after production,

as such, had ceased. The next matter, in relation

to GOSFORD MEATS, Your Honour, and, really,

this is the fourth point - - -

DEANE J:  Was not PHILIP MORRIS a party in DICKENSON?
MR CHARLES: I apologize, Your Honour. If that is so,

'the point has escaped me.

DEANE J:  I am going on vague recollection.

MR CHARLES: It was, in any event, Your Honour, in relation

to the tax as falling on the retailer and, for
that purpose, therefore, the position of PHILIP

MORRIS as a producer may not have been relevant to the argument in those proceedings.

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MASON CJ:  Well, Dickenson's Arcade was the sole plaintiff

in the case and the defendants were the State of

Tasmania and the Treasurer of the State.

MR CHARLES:  Yes. Your Honours, I will return to these

matters in slightly more length if I may do so. of the Court who formed the minority in GOSFORD
The next matter, Your Honours, in relation to

MEATS each took the view, in our submission,

that DENNIS HOTELS, on its proper interpreation,

applied and governed the decision in that case.

Their Honours, we would say, stated quite

categorically that it would require the overturning

of DENNIS HOTELS to arrive at the decision that

members of the majority reached in GOSFORD MEATS.

If that be so, then those members of the Court

are f4ce4 with the fact that on their view DENNIS

HOTELS has been overruled. We would say next,

Your Honours, that the decision is wrong in itself,

that the corect approach in DENNIS HOTELS would

properly have been that arrived at by

Sir Owen Dixon at pages 539 to 540 of the report.

We would put it next, Your Honours, that the result

of the differing interpretation that has been
arrived at in these various ways produces

inconvenience and uncertainty both for State

legislatures and businesses that are required to

comply with State legislation. We say next to
Your Honours that the fact - - -
MASON CJ:  Can you develop that point a little more? It

is not patently obvious to me that the decision
produces inconvenience and uncertainty to governments

and to business people.

MR CHARLES:  I was proposing to develop all of these points

to some slight degree further, Your Honour, shortly,

in any event, if I may save my argument for that

point. Just to indicate to the Court an outline

we would say that particularly in the light of the

- fact that there has recently been the addition of

three new members to the Court comparatively recently,

there is now a question -

MASON CJ: 

They are productive of inconvenience, are they, or uncertainty?

MR CHARLES:  I am sorry, Your Honour, I was moving to the next

point, which is simply this, that the fact that there

are now three new members of the Court, new in the

sense that their views on questions relating to

section 90 are not, if I may say so, known. The result

is that the question arises whether the decision in

DENNIS HOTELS now commands the acceptance of a

maiority of members of this Court.

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MASON CJ:  This is to adopt a very peculiar view about

decisions of this Court, that in a sense they are "up

for grabs" when the composition of the Court

changes.

MR CHARLES:  Your Honour, that is emphatically not my point,
if I may say so. The Court has said from time to

time that the fact that a decision no longer corrrrnands
the acceptance of the Court is a ground upon which

that earlier decision should be reviewed. Now, I

simply say, Your Honour, because the views of some

members of the Court are not known, I cannot now

advance to the Court an argument as to whether or not the decision cormnands the acceptance of a majority of

the Court. If the fact were ~ 1t a majority of this

Court no longer now acceptec - ~ decision in

DENNIS HOTELS as good law, tL· would, in our submission,

be a matter upon which the Gour~ might fasten in

deciding to review the case.

MASON CJ:  It does not sound one of your stronger points.
MR CHARLES:  I accept that, Your Honour. That is right, but

it is sixth rather than first.

MASON CJ:  Or even seventh.
MR CHARLES:  Your Honours, I should mention the matter of

JOHN V COMMISSIONER FOR TAXATION, which was

decided by judgment of this Court handed down on

8 February 1989. At pages 21-23 of the print in

that case the Court referred to a number of matters

which would be appropriate to look at in deciding

whether or not to review a past decision of the Court.

At page 21, point 9, the Court said that the first of the

four matters which justified departure was that:

the earlier decisions did not rest upon a

principle carefully worked out in a

significant succession of cases.

It would certainly be our submission that DENNIS HOTELS

is not entitled to be described as a "principle

carefully worked out". The second, Your Honour: was a difference between the reasons of the

Justices constituting the majority in one

of the earlier decisions.

We would say that there was a relevant difference in

Thirdly, that:  the reasons of the majority in DENNIS HOTELS.

the earlier decisions had achieved no useful
result but on the contrary had led to

considerable inconvenience.

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We would certainly argue,for reasons I will develop

shortly, that that is so, Your Honours. And the
fourth is that: 

the earlier decisions had not been

independently acted on in a manner which

militated against reconsideration.

I must accept, Your Honours, without question, that

the States have certainly acted upon the basis of
the correctness of DENNIS HOTELS. The case stated
in the PHILIP MORRIS case shows the extent and the

increasing extent to which the States have relied

upon that decision. We would say that the States

have, in effect, attempted to force an estoppel

on this Court - legislation by estoppel - and we

would say that in so far as they are at tempting to rely

on estoppel their grounds are somewhat uncertain.

We would submit that the States have been very well

aware, at least since the judgment in GOSFORD MEATS

was handed down, that their foundation was an

insecure one, at least in so far as the position of

a producer was concerned.

Your Honours, may I turn now to the question of the decision in DENNIS HOTELS itself?

BRENNAN J:  Are you now coming to your fourth point?
MR CHARLES:  Your Honour, I am moving, if I may say so, away

from the summary of argument in the light of the

course that the Court has invited us to take. I do not
propose to deal with the facts referred to as to

either the Victorian legislation or the Tasmanian

legislation, which the Court will see on pages three

and four. I would wish to direct certain short

submissions to the Court in relation to DENNIS HOTELS

itself in an attempt to make good the proposition

that the judgments differ within themselves as to the

basis upon which the case was to be applied. Then I

would wish to take the Court shortly through the cases

that have followed it in an attempt to show the Court

how the status of DENNIS HOTELS has shifted over the
years.

(Continued on page 11)

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MR CHARLES (continuing):  Your Honours, if I may ask the Court

to look at the decision in GOSFORD MEATS V

NEW SOUTH WALES; I think I have given members of the

Court a reference to that:  155 CLR 368. Your Honours

will see in the judgment of the Chief Justice

Sir Harry Gibbs, at pages 378 to 379, that His Honour

said, near the top of page 378 that:

The question in -

that -

case therefore is whether the licence fee is

a tax on the µ-oduction of the meat and meat

products produced by the abattoir or whether,

to use the words of Mr Justice Kitto in

DENNIS HOTELS ..... it "has no closer connexion

with production or distribution than that it is

exacted for the privilege of engaging in the

process at all".

Then His Honour said, at page 379 point 6:

In my opinion it cannot be held, consistently

with the authority of DENNIS HOTELS,

DICKENSON'S ARCADE, H.C. SLEIGH and

EVDA NOMINEES, that the impost in the present

case is an excise. There is no logical

ground on which it is possible to distinguish

a case where the licence fee is calculated

according to sales and purchases in a past

period from that in which the fee is calculated

according to production or manufacture in a

past period.

Referring to the decision in HEMATITE, Sir Harry said

in the last two lines on page 379:

If a licence fee quantified by reference to past

sales or purchases of goods is not a tax upon
the sale or purchase, there seems to be no reason
for saying that a licence fee quantified by

reference to past production is a tax upon

production. Exactly the same reasoning applies

in both cases.

Then, Your Honours, to the same effect, we would say,

is the judgment in dissent of Mr Justice Wilson

at page 399. His Honour said at point 9 of that page:

It seems to me, therefore, that the actual
decision in DENNIS HOTELS requires the
conclusion in the present case that the
licence fee imposed upon the plaintiff ..... .

is not a duty of excise. It is not suggested

that there is any ground of distinction

between the legislation here and that which

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was considered in DENNIS HOTELS.

and Mr Justice Dawson at page 420 said at point 2

that:

The fee is calculated by reference to animals

slaughtered in a period which precedes the
period of the licence and, even assuming that
the slaughter can be identified as a step in

the production of the ultimate products, to

my mind the result is necessarily dictated

by the principle which lies behind the

decision in DENNIS HOTELS, accepted as it was

by this Court in DICKENSON'S ARCADE,

H.C. SLEIGH and EVDA NOMINESS. I am unable

to accept that those decisions involved no

principle and that their application is to be

confined to those cases in which an exact

parallel can be drawn between the factual

situation and legislation with which the

previous cases dealt.

(Continued on page 13)

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MR CHARLES (continuing):  Your Honours, may I mention,

before turning to the three members of the

present Bench who were parties to the case,

Mr Justice Murphy, at page 389 referred to

His Honour's view previously stated that:

There is no magic about the financial or

calendar year but the reasoning of DENNIS

has forced on the States a narrow and

inefficient means of collecting revenue.

"Why not" by reference "to the previous month

or the previus week?" His Honour had twice

previously referred to DENNIS HOTELS as a "blot

on our constitutional jurisprudence".

So far as the other three members of the

majority were concerned, Your Honour the Chief Justice

and Justice Deane dealt with this matter at pages

384 to 385 pointing to the fact that - this is at

page 384, point 7:

the defendants have placed particular reliance

on what they submit to be a general proposition

to be derived from the majority judgments in

DENNIS HOTELS PTY LTD V VICTORIA namely, that a tax is excluded from characterization as a

duty of excise if it takes the form of a

retailer's licence fee calculated by

reference to goods sold during a period prior to the period in respect of which the licence

fee is payable. The submission that DENNIS

HOTELS V VICTORIA is decisive of thepresent

case fails however at every s:ep. First, the

judgment of Fullagar J in Dr:.;:ns HOTELS makes

clear that the decision in DEJNIS HOTELS would

almost certainly have gone the other way if

the plaintiff had been a manufacturer or

producer rather than a retailer. Upon analysis,

it is reasonably clear that a majority of the

justices either denied the proposition

altogether or considered that it could not be

applied generally to a manufacturer or producer.

Secondly, it has been made clear enough in

subsequent cases that the reasoning underlying
the decision in DENNIS HOTELS cannot be accepted
as being of general application. Thirdly,

in the recent case of HEMATITE PETROLEUM

PTY. LTD. V. VICTORIA, three of the majority

justices adopted, as the basis of their respective

judgments, reasoning which is quite inconsistent

with the extension of the DENNIS HOTELS' formula

into the heartland of duties of excise, namely

the manufacture and production of goods. Finally,

a general proposition that a tax cannot be a

duty of excise if it takes the form of a licence fee

that is quantified by reference to goods produced,

manufactured or sold during some period prior to

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the actual period of the licence is simply

inconsistent with the well established and

fundamental principle to which reference has

already been made, namely, that the question

whether a tax is a duty of excise must be
determined by reference to substance rather than
form. Although DENNIS HOTELS has been allowed

to stand as an authoritative decision on its

own facts, it would fly in the face of both
principle and authority to accept it as

establishing a general proposition that can be

applied to a tax made payable, in the form of

a licence fee, by a manufacturer or producer of

goods.

Your Honours, I should not leave GOSFORD MEATS

without referring to the judgment of Justice Brennan

where, at pages 409 and 410, Your Honour came to

conclusions which, we would say, are not identical

with those just referred to but which do not

differ substantially from those just referred to

and certainly place importance on the position of

a producer. In particular, Your Honour, at page 410

point 9, said that:

Although the authority of DENNIS HOTELS

and DICKENSON'S ARCADE is to be maintained in

respect of legislation imposing fees for licences

to sell goods calculated by reference to purchases

or sales in preceding periods, those cases do not require the conclusion that a tax payable

by a producer of goods and calculated by

reference to steps in the production of goods
taken in a preceding period is not a duty of

excise.

Your Honours, if I may go back briefly now to

DENNIS HOTELS, assuring the Court as I do so, that

I do not propose to read substantially from the

judgments in that case.

(Continued on page 15)
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MR CHARLES (continuing):  The case is reported, Your Honours,
104 CLR 529~ I have put to the Court that our

submission would be that the correct position was stated by Sir Owen Dixon at pages 539 to 540 but,

of course, did not find favour with the majority

in that case. We would put it, Your Honours, that

the reason why it can be said that there was a

difference in the reasoning of the Judges in that

case follows firstly, from the fact that one member

of the majority, Justice Fullagar, in the passage to

which I have just referred from Your Honour the

Chief Justice and Justice Deane in GOSFORD MEATS, made plain that his decision, not inevitably but

might very well have been different had the person

paying the tax been a producer.

We would say secondly, Your Honours, that

those who supported the principle in DENNIS HOTELS,

as it has now been stated i~ later cases, might be

said to be particularly, Sir Frank Kitto and

Sir Douglas Menzies. It would be our submission that

when one goes to the judgment of Mr Justice Taylor

in DENNIS HOTELS and in particular, Your Honours,

at pages 575 to 578 one is able to extract from

Sir Alan's reasons for judgment, a very significant factor in the conclusion to which His Honour came, namely, that this was liquor licensing legislation,

a matter in which the sale of liquor was prohibited

except on particular terms and for a long time

historically had been so. That in that context

the licensing legislation might well be seen as
giving a particular value to the business and that

in that context therefore the scheme for finding

a value of the business by reference to past sales

was an entirely understandable one.

In particular, Your Honours, we point to the

passage at page 576 point 6 where Sir Alan said:

Examination of the character and incidence of the legislation leads me to conclude that the

fee payable for a victualler's licence is not
a duty of excise. Though a system of licensing
may frequently be adopted as a convenient aid
to the administration of excise laws and the
collection of excise duties, this is not the
part played by the system of licensing erected
by the LICENSING ACT for the issue of licences
under that Act is, as already appears, a
traditionally accepted method of regulating a
trade which the public interest demands shall be
subject to strict supervision. In other words
the requirement that liquor shall not be sold
or disposed of without a licence appears as a
substantive provision and not merely as an
adjunct to a revenue statute.
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And similar passages, in our submission, are to be

found on pages 577 and 578 and in particular,

Your Honours, at page 578 point 4 where His Honour

said:

there is, I think, ample in the considerations

to which I have already adverted to displace

any prima facie impression which the formula

for the calculation of the fees payable by

licensed victuallers may tend to produce.

There can be little doubt that the annual

purchases made by a licensed victualler are,

in practice, a reliable and well-established

guide to the annual value of his licensed

premises and to me there is no significant

difference between a fee which is calculated

by reference to that value and one which is

calculated directly by reference to past

purchases.

We would say, Your Honours, consequently that the

fact that the fee was assessed in relation to past

purchases was a matter which bore comparatively

little consequence with Justice Taylor in arriving

at His Honour's ultimate conclusions; that

His Honour was far more concerned with the unique

position of liquor licensing legislation and the

value that premises gain in consequence of a licence

under that legislation.

(Continued on page 17)

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MR CHARLES (continuing): We would, if necessary, ccntrast

the position that obtains in relation to the

tobacco legislation where one has, among other

thing, a monthly licence and where we would

submit that, on no view, could one conceivably

say that premises gained a particular value

or that an attempt was being made to seek a

value for premises by reference to earlier periods

of tobacco sales.

In our submission, the legislation with

which the Court is here concerned is quite plainly

a piece of legislative machinery for the imposition

and collection of a sales tax. Your Honours,

it is upon that basis that we say that the Court,

at least in the majority, in DENNIS HOTELS,

arrived at its conclusion by differing and to

some extent inconsistent reasons.

Your Honours, may I add a reference to what

Sir Wilfred Fullagar put at page 556 and

Sir Wilfred said, at point 4:

On the view which I take of the proper

answer to the second of the questions I

have propounded, it is not necessary, for

the purposes of this case, to answer the

third. I will only say that I am not satisfied

that it is an essential element of a duty

of excise that it should be measured by

quantity or value of goods. The fact that

a tax is so measured tends, of course, to

support the view that it is a tax "upon

goods", but in MATTHEWS V CHICORY MARKETING

BOARD a levy was held to be a duty of excise

although it was not measured by quantity

or value of goods. It was imposed on a

producer as such and might well be regarded
(if a tax at all) as a tax on production,

but it was measured by acreage planted and

not quantity or value of commodity produced.

If a State were to impose a tax of $100
per month on all distillers of spirits, I should feel difficulty in saying that the tax was not a duty of excise.
Your Honours, the history of what followed

is that DICKENSON'S ARCADE was next decided

relevantly, the judgment being given on 1 April

1974. We, if I may say so, would adopt, with

respect, the passage from the argument of

Your Honour Justice Deane at page 179 because

we would say that in arguendo it makes the points

we have been seeking to make in relation to

the differing reasons arrived at by the majority

in DENNIS HOTELS, accepting, Your Honours, of

course, that our views may change when counsel

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reach the bench and, turning to the judgments.

We would refer to what His Honour the Chief Justice

said at page 188 and Sir Garfield Barwick there

said that:

considerable reliance was placed by the

defendant on the Court's decision in DENNIS

HOTELS -

that there was, at point 4:

There was, however, no reason for that decision

common to the members of the Court who fcrmed

the majority in favour of the conclusion.

And then, at point 7, Your Honours:

There being no reason for decision common

to the majority of the Justices, the Court's

decision in DENNIS HOTELS PTY LTD V VICTORIA,

in my opinion, is authority only in relation

to the statutory and factual situation it

resolved and in relation to a case which

has, if not precisely, at least substantially

and indistinguishably the same statutory

and factual situation.

Sir Douglas Menzie~ Your Honours, at pag$ 211

to 212, took the view that:

(Continuing on page 19)

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MR CHARLES (continuing):

tbere is no conflict between the two

parts of the decision ..... and this case

is governed by the first. The fees here

are entirely different from the fees

for temporary licences which were

invalidated.

Then at page 212 point 5:

In any event I would not reopen either

part of the decision in DENNIS HOTELS.

It is an important decision upon the

faith of which States have ordered their

affairs for some thirteen years.

Sir Harry Gibbs, Your Honours, at page 226, after stating the question, said at point 3, that:

D6NNIS HOTELS is authority for the

proposition that legislation which
provides for the grant of a licence
to sell goods, on payment of a licence
fee, the quantum of which is based on
the value of the goods purchased for the

premises in a previous year, does not

impose a tax directly related to the goods.

The majority of the Court held that under

such legislation no purchase in the earlier

year and no sale during the currency of

the licence attracts a liability to tax.

Then at point 5:

The case is authority for what was

decided, namely, that a licence fee

quantified by reference to the amount

paid or payable for goods purchased

during a period preceding that in respect

of which the licence was granted was not
a duty of excise.

Sir Ninian Stephen dealt with the matter at

pages 235 to 236 and I do not desire to take

Your Honours to those parts of the judgment, other

than simply to draw them to the Court's attention,

and Your Honour the Chief Justice dealt with the

matter at page 240 as being that:

DENNIS HOTELS is not authority for the

universal proposition that, in order

to constitute an excise, a licence fee

must be calculated by reference to the

quantity of goods sold under the licence,

thereby enabling the duty to be passed on

to a purchaser and that it is not enough

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that the licence fee is calculated

by reference to the quantity of goods

sold by the licensee or on the premises

before the licence commenced to operate.

The decision related to fees prescribed

for a licence to sell liquor by retail;

it has no necessary application to fees

prescribed for a licence to manufacture

or process goods to which in my opinion

different considerations apply.

Your Honour said in the next paragraph that:

The decision has been accepted as

authoritative in later cases. The

narrowness of the majority and the manner
in which it was composed are not enough to

warrant a reconsideration of the decision.

Your Honours, following DICKENSON'S ARCADE, the

Victorian legislation with which this Court is

now concerned was introduced later thAt year.

It came into operation on 26 November 1974.

Earlier in that year the decision in KAILIS

had been decided by this court, M.G. KAILIS (1962)

V WESTERN AUSTRALIA, 130 CLR 245.

MASON CJ:  When you say earlier that year, the two cases

were decided on the same day, that is DICKENSON'S

and KAILIS.

MR CHARLES:  My recollection, Your Honour, is that the
jadgment in DICKENSON was given on 1 April; the
judgment in KAILIS on 10 May. I may be wrong,
Your Honour.
MASON CJ:  Yes, you are wrong. It is a little confusing

when you look at the marginal note, but the date

of hearing was May 10~ 1973. Judgment was

delivered on 1 Anril 1974, the same day as

judgment delivered in DICKENSON.

(Continued on page 21)
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MR CHARLES:  I see. Well, Your Honour, I was misled by the

side-note, indeed.

MASON CJ:  Yes, it is because"l974"appears immediately - or
"May 10" appears immediately before "1974."
MR CHARLES:  Yes. It makes no difference for the purposes of

argument, Your Honour.

MASON CJ:  No.
CHARLES:  So far as KAILIS is concerned, may I give the Court

short references to what the Court had to say about

DENNIS HOTELS •. _ Sir Edward McTiernan made no

reference to DENNIS HOTELS in his judgment at all.

Sir Douglas Menzies dealt with the matter at

page 254, saying that K.AILIS's case was:

distinguishable from DENNIS HOTELS.

At page 259, Sir Harry Gibbs said that:

On the authority of DENNIS HOTELS -

at the bottom of the page -

the fee was not a tax on the goods acquired

for processing or on the processing itself

and was not an excise.

Sir Ninian Stephen dealt with the matter at page~ 262

and 263 and concluded, in the last words of His Honour's -

judgment:

Apart from the basis for assessment of licence fees there is no other feature of the present

legislation which can arguably be said to give

those fees the character of a duty of excise -

and -

on the authority of DENNIS HOTELS they are

not such a duty.

Your Honour the Chief Justice dealt with the matter

at slightly more length at pages 265 to 266 and,
after pointing to the way in which the licence fees

were assessed, near the top of page 265, Your Honour

said:

The distinction between the two methods

of assessing the licence fee, despite the
decision in DENNIS HOTELS does not seem to

me to be of importance. That decision, as

I have said in DICKENSON'S ARCADE PTY LTD

should not be regarded as authoritative in

relation to the prescription of fees for

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licences to manufacture or produce goods.

To hold that DENNIS HOTELS is decisive of the

present case would, I think, give the

constitutional prohibition contained in

section 90 a formal operation, having little

substantial importance. It would enable the

States to impose a tax on the manufacture or production of any goods by the simple expedient of a compulsory licensing scheme

under which production and manufacture are

taxed by prescribing licence fees to be assessed,

not by reference to the quantity of goods
produced under the licence, but by reference to
the raw materials used in the process of

production in a period ending before the licence

commenced to operate.

Such a result would be quite inconsistent

with the view that the object of section 90

was to repose in the Commonwealth Parliament

"a real control of the taxation of commodities

and to ensure that the execution of whatever

policy it adopted should not be hampered or

defeated by State action", as Justice Dixon

expressed in PARTON V MILK BOARD or, as

Mr Justice McTiernan expressed it in the same case, to secure" uniform fiscal policy for

the Commonwealthn. It would concede to the

Commonwealth an exclusive power to grant

bounties on the production of goods, yet enable

the States to hamper that production by taxing

it indirectly.

When attention is given to the fee prescribed by the FISHERIES ACT for a processor's licence, it

seems to me that it has the characteristics of

an excise. First, it is a tax; it is not not

merely a fee charged for a service provided.

Secondly, it is a tax levied at the point of production - processing is prohibited without the benefit of a licence. ,It is a.tax upon the

goods in that it is calculated by reference to

process. It is a tax which in the normal course the quantity of materials used in the production
of events will be added to the price of the
goods and ultimately paid by the consumer or
retail buyer. It is therefore a tax which
directly affects the price of goods and has an
impact upon the consumption, and the consequent
demand for the production, of goods on which the
tax is imposed.
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MR CHARLES (continuing):  Then, Your Honours, in

H.C. SLEIGH PTY LTD, decided in February 1977, the

question there whether fees paid for licensing

of persons engaged in the business of selling

petroleum products and may I respectfully invite the

Court's attention to page 488 where Sir Garfield Barwick said that:

The Court has now decided to maintain the

decision of DENNIS HOTELS PTY LTD V VICTORIA,

for what, upon its facts and relevant

legislation, it decides -

And, Sir Garfield said -

This course does not commit the Court to

accept the reasoning in that case. The

result, as I think, tends to put a premium

on drafting ingenuity and is a disregard

of substance. Further, the practical

distinction between a licence fee rated on

the sale of a former period and such a fee

rated on the sales of the licensed period,

vis-a-vis the effect of the imposition of the

fee upon the movement of goods into

consumption, is difficult to see, particularly

in the case of a continuing business

operating over a period of years.

But, Sir Garfield was:

unable to find any substantially distinguishing

feature.

Then, Your Honours, Sir Harry Gibbs dealt with the

matter at pages 492-493 maintaining the view that

DENNIS HOTELS covered this case also and at the

top of page 494:

No valid reason has been advanced for reopening

a question decided recently and by a substantial

majority. ·
Sir Ninian Stephen, at page 496 point 5, could: find no valid ground for distinction

in relation to DICKENSON's case or DENNIS HOTELS.

Your Honour the Chief Justice at page 501 again said that

DENNIS HOTELS should be maintained and in particular:

Since DENNIS HOTELS it has been accepted that

liquor licensing fees calculated by reference

to past sales are not an excise and the States

have continued to rely on liquor licensing

fees as an important source of revenue.

Likewise, since DICKENSON's ARCADE States have

relied on tobacco licensing fees, similarly

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calculated, as an additional source of

government revenue. It would, I think, lead

to great uncertainty in government and

commerce if the Court were now to hold that

DENNIS HOTELS or DICKENSON's ARCADE was

wrongly decided. Such a course would disturb

legislative and financial arrangements made

on the faith of the existing decisions of

this Court.

A departure from these decisions can be

justified only in the event that the Court is

convinced that they are wrong.

We would respectfully submit that the Court should, by

now, be so convinced. I have referred Your Honours to

what Justice Murphy has said about these decisions.

Justice Murphy's passage relevantly appears at page 527

and Justice Jacobs at page 526, the second line on

that page, said:

The attempted effectuation of the idea that

by setting up a licensing system in respect

of dealing in any cotm:I1odity at all, the States

can overcome the s.90 embargo on imposition

of excise duties is of comparatively recent

origin. It must be curbed now before the Court

is faced either with the virtual supersession

of s.90 or a need at some later time to cry

halt.

(Continued on page 25)

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MR CHARLES (continuing):  Then, at the previous page,

Your Honours, at page 525 point 8, Justice Jacobs

said:

What has happened is that decisions that

a licence fee is not necessarily a duty of

excise where the amount of the fee is

calculated on the basis of dealings in a

commodity for a preceding period has been

taken by the legislature to be a decision

that a licence fee cannot be a duty of excise

provided that the fee is so calculated.

This has been treated as a so-called "logical"

consequence and the State has chosen to pass

legislation accordingly.

Then, Your Honours, in the PIPELINE case, HEMATITE

PETROLEUM PTY LTD V VICTORIA, where the Court

found that the $10m licence fee was a duty of

excise, there is no passage in the judgment of

Sir Harry Gibbs to which I desire to refer the

Court. Justice Murphy, again, said that "these

decisions were a blot" at page 639. Your Honour

the Chief Justice dealt with the matter at

pages 630 to 631 where Your Honour said:

Applied literally, as the decision in

DENNIS HOTELS PTY LTD V VICTORIA convincingly

demonstrates, the criterion of liability
leads to the result that a licence fee charged
on a step in production or distribution,

calculated by reference to the quantity or

value of goods produced or sold in the period

for which the licence is held, is an excise,

but not if the fee is calculaed by reference

to the quantity or value of goods produced

or sold in the previous licencing period.

The distinction between the two licence fees just mentioned is a mere matter of form.

It leaves the State free to levy licence

production, manufacture sale or distribution
fees and other duties in respect of the
of goods in any form except that which is
caught by the BOLTON V MADSEN strict criterion
of liability.

What, one might ask, was the high

constitutional purpose intended to be served

by prohibiting the States from imposing a

tax in this very limited form? To prohibit

the States from imposing a tax having an
arithmetical relationship with goods produced
or sold during a licence period, while leaving
the States free to impose any other form
of tax in respect of goods produced or sold,
achieves nothing. If this be the effect

of s.90 it certainly adds nothing to the

Commonwealth's economic and financial powers.

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McHUGH J:  Mr Charles, at page 621, the Chief Justice relied on
the reasoning of DENNIS HOTELS, did he not?
MR CHARLES:  Yes, Your Honour, in the middle of that page.

I had not treated that, Your Honour, as being

a matter of great consequence in His Honour's

reasons for judgment.

Your Honour Justice Brennan dealt with the

matter at page 659 in terms that we would respectfully

submit amounts to something of a dis-inclination

to accept the wider application of DENNIS HOTELS

where Your Honour said:

However, for the reasons expressed

by Mason J., I prefer the broader approach.

It leads to no different conclusion, for

it invites consideration of the same

determinative fact, namely, that the tax

is imposed upon the operation of the pipelines.

Finally, Your Honours, Your Honour Justice Deane,

after having dealt between pages 660 and 664 with

questions relating to the history of section 90

and the meaning of duties of excise, Your Honour

then said, at the bottom of page 664, that:

(Continued on page 27)

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MR CHARLES (continuing):

While the judgment in BOLTON V MADSEN plainly

provides important guidance in formulating

the indicia of a duty of excise, it does not,

in the light of these subsequent cases,

compel acceptance of the proposition that,

in the interests of desirable certainty in

the law of the CONSTITUTION, the question

whether a tax is a duty of excise is to be

answered conformably with whether the

legal effect of the impugned legislative

provisions is such as to satisfy the formal requirements of some formularized criterion of liability. For myself, I decline, in

the absence of compelling authority, to

accept any such proposition.

Then, some short way down the page:

It is, however, established by the cases

that a tax on goods which is imposed at a

point which is either preliminary or
subsequent to actual manufacture or production,

including a step in the acquisition of raw

materials and a step in the distribution of

the finished product, may be a duty of excise.

It is also established that a tax may be a

duty of excise notwithstanding that it is

not calculated by reference to the quantity

or value of the goods manufactured or produced.

Your Honours, I do not propose to take the

Court to EVDA NOMINEES. The Court will be well

aware of what was said in that case at page 316

when the plaintiffs were refused leave to reopen

DENNIS·HOTELS. We would submit, Your Honours, that

having regard to the varying judgments that

reference has now been made to, including the

most recent and, we would say, most significant

for present purposes, decision in GOSFORD MEATS,

that members of the Court will see that so far as

at least three members of the present Bench are

concerned, we would say with great respect, that

there is a disinclination to apply the decision in DENNIS HOTELS outside a very restricted area of business. Certainly it appears to be the case

that in relation to the licensing of the sales of

petrol, and tobacco, then plainly - and liquor -

it may be said that the Court has upheld the decision

in DENNIS HOTELS, a decision, we would put, not

arrived at by the majority in that case. The question,

Your Honours, arises here whether that situation

should be extended to the position of a producer

who is also a wholesaler. If members of this Court

were to take the view that DENNIS HOTELS should not

be extended to a producer, the Court will then be

fa~ed with the situation that the Court would not

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on that view be prepared to uphold the imposition

of the licence fee against a producer wholesaler,

but might be prepared to uphold it as not being

an excise in relation to a wholesaler who is not

a producer, which is, of course, the third plaintiff

in the first case now before this Court.

BRENNAN J: Is there a shift in the concepts from tax on

production to tax on producers?

MR CHARLES:  There could indeed be, Your Honour. I accept

that that might be so. It is, if I may say so,

difficult to be positive ultimately about any of

the matters which the Court is asked to deal.

DAWSON J:  But that is the point, is it not, Mr Charles,

that there are no absolute truths in this area?

11R CHARLES:  I accept that, Your Honour.
DAWSON J:  And when the Court has decided something, and

it has been acted on for a long time, to depart

from it is merely to divert to uncertainty.

Whilst one can point to the imperfections in the

various decisions such as DENNIS HOTELS, it is

very much more difficult to suggest something

better?

MR CHARLES:  Your Honour, that, of course, depends upon

whether one accepts that the constitutional provision

in section 90was intended to have real meaning in

relation either to permitting a Connnonwealth tariff

policy, or some matter of that kind.

DAWSON J: Whether it has real meaning or not, or in order

for it to have real meaning, one has to draw lines

and that is the difficulty in drawing a line at

a particular point. Once one departs from cases
such as DENNIS HOTELS, one is left in a position

where one can draw no certain line.

(Continued on page 29)
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MR CHARLES:  We would say, Your Honour, that the decision in

DENNIS HOTELS has meant really that a line cannot be drawn anywhere and, indeed, has led the Court

into a situation in which at least a number of

members of this Court have made plain that they

find the reasoning behind what is said now to be

the application of DENNIS HOTELS most unsatisfactory.

DAWSON J: Undoubtedly, they do not like the line that is

drawn but have recognized the importance of

observing a line that has been drawn in default of

something better.

MR CHARLES:  Your Honour, I accept that there is an importance
in drawing lines. We would respectfully submit that

the evolution of the cases following DENNIS HOTELS

as the Court has now just seen has demonstrated that

the line drawn has not been a satisfactory one. It
has been entirely satisfactory to the States who
have acted upon it by imposing increasing licence

fees each year as the case stated before this Court

now presently demonstrates.

Equally, Your Honours, what one finds the

position in the third case where the plaintiff,

Harper, has found that over a period of years - the

person Harper, of course, Your Honours, is quite

plainly a producer on any view of the matter there -

an abalone fisherman. His licence over the last

few years has increased from something like $8000

to $17,000 and in the new system that is presently

offered this year he has been offered a contract for

a licence at $40,000. Your Honours, what might be

a line regarded as satisfactory in some circumstances

may cease to be to the - - -

DAWSON J: But, you see, what you have got to do really to

fulfil your argument - I do not say that you should

do it at this stage - is to be able to say where the

line is to be drawn, which is something you have

carefully avoided from what you have said so far.

unless you point to where the line should be drawn, ~ do not blame you for carefully avoiding it, but
that is, another definition of an excise, then it
is not possible with force to criticize the decisions
which have been made or of equal force. I mean,
it is a sort of a Zen method of reasoning to say,
"Not there, not there", without saying where.
MR CHARLES: 

If I may say so, Your Honour, I have not attempted

to draw lines at this stage because it has not been
necessary for the purpose of my argument.

DAWSON J:  No, no, I understand that.
MR CHARLES:  I am quite prepared to attempt to do so if the

Court wishes me but that really is a matter for later argument.

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DAWSON J:  I agree, but that is the difficulty.

MR CHARLES: 

I accept, Your Honour, it is a very real difficulty indeed.

We would say that the

difficulty occurred after the decision in MATTHEWS

case when Sir Owen Dixon set out his historical

excursus into the meaning of excise, into the way

it had been understood in Europe and elsewhere in

times preceding the conventions in which the

matter was discussed. We would say that those

considerations would properly have led the Court

to the conclusion that an excise relevantly could

be imposed at any stage in dealing with goods from the

point of first production up to the point of

consumption.

Your Honours, that leaves a difficult question

which is very much one open as to whether or not

a consumption tax is properly included within the

definition of "excise" and plainly, there - - -

DAWSON J: It really leaves a problem at the other end, too, as

to whether any tax upon a producer has to be

characterized as an excise tax:  land tax, for instance_.
MR CHARLES:  Your Honour, we would say, with respect, that a

land tax is quite plainly in a different context and

one that on no view could be regarded as an excise.

DAWSON J:  We are now getting to an argument that is not

perhaps appropriate at this stage.

MR CHARLES:  Yes, I accept that, Your Honour.

DAWSON J: But those are my difficulties abouQ it. There are

no absolute truths and so one clutches at the

certainties one has rather than to send back into

the morass.

MR CHARLES: If I may say so, Your Honour, the States have

certainly clutched with increasing vigour and one

might even say rapacity to the lines that have
been drawn. They have found it a very satisfactory
line. We would say, with respect - - -
DAWSON J:  I think that is unfair, Mr Charles. The States have

taken the decisions of this Court... ·Jthey have to

provide in their budgets for the financial management

of the State, and what more can they do than take

the decisions of this Court and act on them.

MR CHARLES: There are other ways, Your Honour, in which the States can obtain money: either by agreement with the Commonwealth or alternatively, by different types

of taxation.

GAUDRON J: They could tax barristers quite easily without

offending section 90, though.

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MR CHARLES:  I can assure Your Honour that they do.

We would say, Your Honours, that the difficulties which flow from the drawing of the present line

have resulted in absolutely unreal distinctions
being drawn where one can find someone who may

be classified as a producer, on the one hand, exempt from taxation of this kind because an

excise, someone of the other side who may be

in doubt as to whether the exercise being conducted is properly regarded as that of a producer or production.

We would say, Your Honours, that it is wholly

unreal distinction to attempt to make in the

first place, that someone engaged in an act

of sale can be taxed without any effect occurring

on production. We would submit, respectfully,

that an operation of that kind inevitably will

end up traditionally as part of the price .

And it was for that reason that, from the very

earliest decisions before this Court, the PETROL

. case, PARTON V MILK BOARD, that it was very

readily seen that attacks on sales had to be

an excise, otherwise there would have been no

point in the constitutional veto.

Your Honours, time and agai~ members of

this Court have pointed to the fact that the

difficulty arising from DENNIS HOTELS is that

by the exercise of ingenuity, by following some

particular form of device, one can achieve a

position where the veto in section 90 is wholly

set at naught and, we would submit, the intention

of those who framed the CONSTITUTION is plainly

being bypassed.

I accept, Your Honours, that it may be thought

that drawing a line is something which produces

a result with some certainty and therefore is

a position to be maintained. We would submit,
Your Honours, that drawing the line in that

way takes away from the intention of those who

framed the CONSTITUTION, produces a result where

one has effectively nullified section 90 completely.

We would say, in those circumstances, that the

Court is not bound to maintain a series of decisions

which do not command the acceptance of Judges

in this Court. As to whether it does or not

I cannot say but we would respectfully submit

that the decision is quite plainly wrong and

that if the Court accepts that then it should

not attempt to maintain it.

McHUGH J:  Mr Charles, if your distinction between producer

and seller is correct, it makes no difference

from the first plaintiff's point of view, does

it?

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MR CHARLES:  So far as the first plaintiff is concerned,

Your Honour, we would say that the tax imposed on Philip Morris is an excise and if the rest

of the Court, or a majority, were of the view

that GOSFORD MEATS covered ~-and that person -

yes, Your Honour, that is so. So far as the

third plaintiff is concerned - - -

DEANE J:  But is not the tax imposed on Philip Morris
imposed upon it in its capacity as a wholesaler?
MR CHARLES:  Yes, Your Honour.

DEANE J: And it is.just, as it were, a coincidence that

it is also a producer?

MR CHARLES:  Your Honour, it is a coincidence 1n one

sense save for the fact that unless a producer

is able to sell the goods he has produced he

comes to an immediate end of his commercial

enterprise.

DEANE J: What, "wholesaler" is defined in a way which

would catch every producer, is it?

MR CHARLES: It must catch every producer, Your Honour,

unless the producer engages in retail selling.

To that extent they. might be outside but we would submit that every producer who sells the

goods produced or does not give them away is

engaged in wholesaleing for that purpose.

DEANE J: It may still be though, may it not, that you

are not quite so far away from DENNIS HOTELS

as you implied in answer to Justice McHugh,

you have to take a further step before you

excape it?

MR CHARLES:  Yes, I accept that, Your Honour, and, indeed,
Justice Brennan 1 s view were accepted which requires I am one further step away still if Your Honour
not merely the imposition of a tax on a producer
.but also that it be by reference to an act of
production as well. Your Honoor~, what we say
is that the consequence of all these matters

can only be to leave people in the business community in doubt as to their liability to pay these taxes as to whether or not they are

duties of excise.

If I may say so, that was what I was seeking

to put to the Court before when Your Honour
the Chief Justice asked me what I meant by confusion

and uncertainty.
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MR CHARLES (continuing):  It may be said at the States
are not confused, that they will 'mpt to push
the DENNIS HOTELS-decision as fa. , they can.

To that extent they are not confused, but we would

say that those who are being taxed, Your Honours,

are certainly in a state of confusion as to what

is the proper extent of DENNIS HOTELS and particularly,

if I may say so, in the light of the fact that

the minority in GOSFORD MEATS took the view that

that decision could only be arrived at by an

overturning.

McHUGH J:  But since then in ALLSTON V BATH the majority

again reasserted, although by way of dictum, that

this particular tax is not an excise duty.

MR CHARLES:  We would say, Your Honour, that that was very

much a throw-away line, if I may respectfully say

so! It was not, in any respect, central to the

Court's decision which was directed to other things.

That was a matter which involved the Court looking

at the Court's new approach to section 92 to

deciding whether there was discrimination. We

would respectfully put it, Your Honour, that that

was a matter per incuriam.

DAWSON J:  But at least the business community would be

less confused and uncertain if DENNIS HOTELS was

affirmed.

MR CHARLES:  It remains, Your Honour, to see whether, if

DENNIS HOTELS is affirmed, in how many other

industries that may apply, it remains to see whether

someone like Mr Harper, the abalone fisherman,

whether DENNIS HOTELS has any application to his

situation which is quite plainly a tax on a

producer - - -

DAWSON J:  That is true, but it still would be less

confused if DENNIS HOTELS was confirmed, not as

happy, but less confused.
MR CHARLES:  With respect, Your Honour, we would say that if

this Court were, for example, to take the view that

a tax on commodities at any stage from the first

moment of manufacture up to the point of retail

sale to the consumer, if that were the view taken

by this Court there would be very much less

uncertainty.

BRENNAN J: 

Mr Charles, bearing in mind that we are addressing at the moment the problem of reopening

DENNIS HOTELS, are you able to point to any
decision of this Court since DENNIS HOTELS which
proceeds on a principle that is inconsistent with
the maintenance of DENNIS HOTELS within the narrow
confines in which the majority held it in GOSFORD
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MEATS, because if not, the problem seems to me to be a problem of saying what is the limit

of the DENNIS HOTELS doctrine, and that is a_

usual kind of problem in the development in anv

field of the law, is it not?

MR CHARLES:  I do not say, Your Honour, that that is not
a usual approach. I would accept that is an
entirely possible approach. It is one approach
that this Court may wish to take. I cannot,

Your Honour, point to any decision which is

inconsistent with the application of DENNIS HOTELS

in the confined area in which it has been said to

be applied. I do say, Your Honour, that the

reasoning of nearly all the cases after DENNIS

HOTELS is wholly inconsistent with the application

of DENNIS HOTELS in any area or - - -

BRENNAN J:  You mean the reasoning in DENNIS HOTELS?
MR CHARLES:  Yes, Your Honour, or with any view other than that

that reasoning is quite wrong. In other words,

Your Honour, the reasoning of the later cases requires this Court to say that we should maintain, for · reasons of certainty and stare decisis in a

particular area of taxation a ruling which we

th ink that the hypothesis is simply wrong.

BRENNAN J: 

Putting it another way around, does the maintenance of DENNIS HOTELS, within its narrow

confines, present any difficulty to the application
or development of any other doc~rine of
constitutional law?  I am thinking particularly of
your reference to COLE V WHITFIELD.

(Continued on page 35)

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MR CHARLES:  I have difficulty answering that, Your Honour,

because the Court's approach to section 92 in the

light of COLE V WHITFIELD, if I may say so with

great respect, cannot be predicted with certainty

in the light of the immediate difference of opinion

which followed it in BATH V ALSTON HOLDINGS.

One view of what the Court said in BATH V ALSTON

HOLDINGS might well lead this Court to say that it

was attracted by the reasoning of Mr Justice Murphy

in a number of the excise cases, that it required, in

a sense, discrimination against the local producer

before the tax could be characterized as an excise.

I am, therefore, not able to answer Your Honour with

precision but we do submit that the fact that the

Court has recently embarked on that re-examination
of section 92 provides a convenient time for the Court

to re-examine section 90 at large. The very difference

of facts in the cases now before the Court, we submit,

go some way to indicating why it is that the Court

may recognize difficulties in the community, the fact

that someone in Mr Harper's position plainly must be

in some difficulty in knowing what his position is.

I have told the Court that the legislation in relation

to Mr Harper has been changed this year so that now

Mr Harper is faced with a request being made to him to

enter into a contract with the ~inister to purchase a licence, the sum being a very substantial sum and, I

might add, Your Honours, in circumstances whereas when

Mr Harper sought to pay that amount under protest, he was informed that in that situation there had been no contract, he either had to make the contract or he would receive no licence and would be acting illegally

in fishing.

Now, Your Honours, there are real difficulties in

a variety of different areas in knowing how to apply

section 90 and particularly because the differences

of opinion between members of this Court as to the true

meaning of an excise must, we would say, engender

uncertainty in the community.

Your Honours, I do not propose to go through this in detail but my learned junior has reminded me that

the reasons why we would respectfully submit that

DENNIS HOTELS was wrongly decided are dealt with in

our summary of argument in paragraph Don page 4 in

paragraphs 14 to 24. I thought I had said at the

outset of my argument, Your Honours, that we accept
that there is no relevant distinction between the

legislation that is in question now before this Court

and the legislation in DICKENSON's ARCADE. I am

certainly not seeking to suggest that differences in
the legislation, in relation to the present case,

entitle me to invite the Court to argue the matter

again. I should say, Your Honours, that the consequence

of BATH V ALSTON HOLDINGS, as we follow it, has led to

other amendments being made by the legislature to the

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legislation,matters which, as we follow it, an

attempt to remove such discrimination as was

previously seen to exist in the legislation. I

suppose it might be argued that that is a further
reason why the Court could now, when the legislature

is amending its legislation to deal with the Court's

decision in BATH V ALSTON HOLDINGS, is possibly

another reason for the Court looking again at this

legislation in the light of section 90.

BRENNAN J:  That is a chicken and egg argument, is it not?
MR CHARLES:  Well, Your Honours, when Parliament is having

to amend to deal with one matter, it might as well

get it right.

(Continued on page 37)

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MR CHARLES (continuing):  Your Honours, it is for those reasons

that we would submit that the Court ought now

to permit a reopening of DENNIS HOTELS. Unless I

can answer any question the Court has for me -

if the Court pleases.

MASON CJ: Thank you, Mr Charles. Yes, Mr Jackson.

MR JACKSON:  Your Honours, may I hand to the Court copies of

our outline of submissions? Your Honours, the part
relevant to the present matter appears on the

second page and over to the third page, and the

first page contains a summary of the two enactments

in question.

MASON CJ: Yes.
MR JACKSON:  Your Honours, may I say something in response to

Yomr Honour Justice McHugh before moving on to

our submissions? That relates to Your Honour's

reference to BATH V ALSTON HOLDINGS: the reason,

perhaps the occasion, for the reference to the

earlier case on excise in that was, one might,we would

suggest, the fact that the question of excise had

originally been raised in those proceedings but it was

not proceeded with. Whether it was not proceeded
with in the sense of it being abandoned or whether
it was not proceeded with, although remaining part
of the formal proceedings of the Court, I do not now

recall, but that issue was not argued before the

Court. But it had been an issue in the proceedings

and that may provide the occasion for the referance

to it.

Your Honours, the present legislation is

summarized on the first page of the outline of

submissions. What it does do is to impose the

relevant tax upon a person who is a tobacco

wholesaler and it does so in each case. If I could
just say one other thing about it: the legislation
is legislation which is entirely of a revenue
nature in each case; it is not legislation for
the purpose of, say, suppresion of smoking

or to regulate the activities of those who participate

in the sale of tobacco by wholesale in any way.

It is simply a statute which is of a revenue

nature and the provision for a licence is in order that the licence may provide the occasion for the imposition of the tax.

Your Honours, one other thing.perhaps, I should say. It differs as a factual matter, if I could use

that term, in reference to the terms of the statute,

from DICKENSON'S ARCADE in this way: that the time,

which is the prior time, by reference to which the

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licence fee is to be calculated, has become

truncated, whereas, it was in DICKENSON'S ARCADE

a period of the average ~f the transactions over

the past six months. The position, in relation

to the two enactments in question is such that it

is now the month before the month in question and
the time has become much shorter.

The position, of course, is that the tax in question is one which relates, in the_present case,

to the position of a wholesaler. A wholesaler may,

of course, be a producer, but it relates, in form,

to the position of a wholesaler and is not a tax

on production directly.

(Continued on page 39)

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MR JACKSON (continuing): Your Honours, what that means, we ¼UU.ld accept

is that it the principle is stated as stated in the

earlier cases, then the only basis of distinction

between the present cases and the earlier cases,

particularly DICKENSON'S ARCADE, would be that

perhaps the Court might take the view that the line had been drawn too close, if I can put it

that way, by the adoption of the two-month period

rather than some longer period, but we would

expect some difficulties in relation to that submission.

Your Honours, having said that, it then

becomes imperative that the earlier cases be

reopened, and, Your Honours, the reasons why

essentially we would submit that that should

occur are - and I will come to them in a moment -

summarized in paragraphs 2, 3 and 4 on pages 2 and 3

of our outline of submissions. May I say one thing,

Your Honours, dealing with the first of them,

and that is something which we would seek to use as

the base for making these submissions, and that is
that the limitation on the nature of the duty of
excise which is imposed by the earlier cases is
one which the Court has recognized, in our submission,

as allowing the application of section 90 to become

a matter of form. Your Honours have already had

the references from my learned friends, but I will give them to Your Honours again: HEMATITE, 151 CLR at the pages referred to in paragraph 2 and

also GOSFORD MEATS V NEW SOUTH WALES, 155 CLR at

the pages again referred to in paragraph 2.

Your Honours, that is a matter of some

importance as being the base in terms of the

context in which the submissions are made, that is

that the effect of the decisions is that the

legislation can escape the constitutional prohibition

of section 90 simply by reason of the fact that it

is framed by reference to a past period although it

is no more than a taxing statute which otherwise

might be a duty of excise.

DAWSON J: Could I put to you my difficulty, as I put it

to Mr Charles? That would be so if there was some

clear meaning as to the prohibition imposed by

section 90, but once one departs from the decisions
of the courts which have laid down what an excise

is, I do not know what an excise is. In other words,

it is a term which really has no meaning except

in so far as this Court puts meaning into it.

MR JACKSON:  Yes, Your Honour. No doubt there is some

meaning to be given to it and no doubt one might

be able to describe that as being a line. There

has been a line - - -

DAWSON J: Until you describe it I cannot, for myself

anyway, say that there has been any evasion of

the intent of section 90.

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MR JACKSON:  Your Honour, what we would submit is that

there is another line to be drawn: there is a

different line and a better line to be drawn.

It may be that the Court cannot decide whether

that line is in the end better until one comes to

the end of hearing the argument substantively

about the case.

DAWSON J:  Yes, I follow that.
MR JACKSON:  But there is another line and, Your Honour,

without going into the detail of the argument in

support of that, we would submit that the true

position should be that set out in the last
paragraph of our outline of submissions, that

is, an excise is any tax upon or in respect of

goods at any point as those goods pass to

consumption. Your Honours, that may be good,

it may be bad; it may be right or wrong so far

as one can be in this area, but it does provide, in our submission, an appropriate test and it is

a test which is a better test than the formalism

of the test introduced by DENNIS HOTELS and

followed in a number of other cases. Why we

would submit that it is time to consider whether
the existing line should remain where it is

is for the reasons I am about to advance, if I may.

What I was simply submitting first of all

was that inherent in the nature of the test which

presently exists is that it is one which is,

and I say so with respect, a tribute to formalism

in that it selects a particular method of legislation

which does not turn upon the nature of the tax, but

simply upon the way in which the legislation

enacting it is drawn and says if it passes that test

of formalism, then leaving aside the substance of it,

it is something which is not a duty of excise.

If, on the other hand, it is done another way than

it is, and the State cannot utilize that power.

(Continued on page 41)
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McHUGH J :  Bu t th e de f i n i t i on th a t you form u 1 a t e i n th a t 1 a s t

paragraph does not really add very much, does

it? I assume it is intended to cover a consumption

tax but in case, for example, like HEMATITE,

Chief Justice Gibbs accepted the definition in

PARTON's case but it is a question of how you

apply it.

MR JACKSON:  Yes. Your Honour, undoubtedly that is right

and the fact that the adoption of a new test may

mean that differences of view result in the application

of that test in particular cases does not mean,

w i th respect, that the new t es t sh o u 1 d not be ado p t e d .

Your Honour, may I support that by saying two

things: the first is that the two cases, COLE

V WHITFIELD and BATH V ALSTON HOLDINGS, demonstrate

that, in our submission because what happened,
of course, was that the Court adopted a new principle

with a difference of view in relation to its application

in a particular case. That will always happen.

But it does not mean, with respect, that the principle
itself adopted by the Court is worse - or should

not have been adopted, if I can put it that way.

What I am endeavouring to say, Your Honours,

is that if it be that the test adopted in DENNIS

HOTELS and DICKENSON'S ARCADE is a test which

is unsatisfactory, then the fact that a new test

which might be adopted will not result in unanimous

judgments of the Court is not a reason for not

reconsidering the earlier decision.

BRENNAN J: Mr Jackson, the real problem, though, is perhaps

not to identify excise in some general description

as in your last paragraph because, obviously,

the sea of excise is very broad. But there is

this island of DENNIS HOTELS in the middle of

it and it does not really add anything, does it,

to use a somewhat emotional term, as it has come
to be in this Court, of "formalism", to describe

DENNIS HOTELS. DENNIS HOTELS, formal though it be, be preserved The question simply is: should as an island within this sea of excise? And,
if so, what is the low water mark of the island?
MR JACKSON:  Well, Your Honour, I do not want to use erootional

terms, with respect, but one might wonder whether

it was an island or tabula in naufragio.

BRENNAN J: Well, the question is whether it is stable,

I suppose, answers that question.

MR JACKSON:  Yes. Your Honour, could I just say this,
first of all. Your Honour has used the expression,

"formal as it is". It is, of course, a matter

to be borne in mind that the nature of the result

achieved by the present decisions is that the

test which has been adopted is one which does

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place importance on matters of form. Your Honour,

I was not, I must say, personally seeking to use

the term in an emotive way but that is what it

does do and one must wonder, in our submission,

whether that is the true, the best, approach to

a constitutional provision of this kind bearing

in mind that the question of what is meant by

a duty of excise was not, one would think, intended

by the CONSTITUTION to be one to be resolved purely
by determining whether the legislation impugned

does or does not follow a particular form, recognizing

that the form is based upon a principle established

by the Court.

Having said that, Your Honours, one comes

then to the question whether that test or some

other one should be adopted. Your Honours, there

is no doubt that the present test is one which

is capable of operation and there is no doubt

that it has a degree of certainty about it. Having

said that, Your Honours, one of the features which

emerges, in our submission, is that because it

is a matter of form, it does not, in our submission

I am sorry, may I start that again. Because it does

have the elements of form about it and because

the way in which the base of it can be seen to

enlarge what members of the Court have thought

should be a fairly narrow area, that the time

has come, we would simply submit, to say: is

this test one which should, be continued or is

it one which should be replaced by a test which

does not depend on the question of form?

Could I move, Your Honours, to the submission

we would make in paragraph 3 of our outline of

submissions,and that is - what Your Honours

would have seen in the passage of Justice Murphy

in GOSFORD MEATS, 155 CLR, at pages 388 and 389 -

I wonder if I might take Your Honours to that

for just a moment.

(Continued on page 43)
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MR JACKSON (continuing):  Your Honours will have seen,

at the top of page 389 that His Honour said:

The notion of a fee based on a previous

period being valid, but not a fee based

on a current period -

being valid, might give rise to a situation

where the previous period selected was a month

or the previous week, or why might it not be

a shorter period. An~ Your Honours,

to the same effect is the observation of
Justice Jacobs in SLEIGH's case at page 526.

Your Honours, the fact of the matter is, of course, that time has shown and this legislation has shown that the time gap is becoming shorter

and, no doubt, if the decisions are not overruled

in the present case, having been reviewed, then

the time gaps may become shorter yet.

One must bear in mind, of course, that taxes of this kind, one would expect to be imposed

in arrears and if the gap between the relevant

time and the time in question become shorter

then the unreality, if I might use that

expression, with respect, does become more apparent.

The second feature is, Your Honours, that

it is apparent from the figures which appear

in the case stated in respect of the PHILIP

MORRIS case that the States have utilized the principle in those cases with some enthusiasm and

that the percentage of the State tax which is

attributable to taxes of this kind, except,

I think, in the case of Queensland, has risen dramatically and the percentages have increased -

more than doubled in most cases.

Your Honours, what that does mean, of course, is that if the decisions in the earlier cases

are to be overruled, then, with respect, they should be headed off at the pass before it becomes
impossible to do so.

McHUGH J: But the figures - I just made a rough count but

the total revenue raised from the liquor, petrol

and tobacco taxes by the States and territories

is about 13 billion.

MR JACKSON:  Yes, a lot of money.

McHUGH J: It is a large step to ask the Court to overrule

a previous decision where the States are raising

13 billion a year, in reliance on decisions

that have stood for 25 years.

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MR JACKSON:  Your Honour, 1 think, might have added up

the years, it is suggested.

McHUGH J: ls it the total of years, was it?

MR JACKSON:  Yes, 1 think so. Your Honour, the other -

but, of course, the States, no matter how much

they choose to impose by way of taxation, are

inherently in a weaker position than the

Commonwealth and the duties imposed by the

States are always more fragile, as it were,

than those imposed by the Commonwealth - meaning

by that the Commonwealth may, in fact, impose

taxes covering the same area which makes it

impractical.

So, Your Honour, we will accept it is a

lot of money if one looks at it in absolute

terms but if the true position is that the States

should not, as the Court might view it, in our

submission, be imposing those taxes because

of section 90, then the higher law, as it were,

is the CONSTITUTION rather than the inconvenience

that might be caused by the fact that the States

cannot impose taxes of that nature notwithstanding

that they might be able to recoup the revenue

lost in other ways.

Your Honours, the final thing we would say

is this, that the decisions on section 92 now,

in our submissio~ have made it apparent that

there are areas of taxation open to the States

which earlier would have been thought to contravene

section 92.

(Continuing on page 45)

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MR JACKSON (continuing):  There are areas of commerce and

areas of trade which are capable of being the

subject of taxation which might have been thought

before not to have been capable of being taxed by

reason of a tax upon them being an imposition on

the burden of interstate trade and commerce; so

that, Your Honours, whilst that is not an answer,

of course, to say you can tax one thing if you

cannot tax the other, what it does mean is that the

question of the review or reopening of the earlier
cases is something that takes place in a context

where the State's taxation powers are rather wider

than might have been thought to be the case before.

Your Honours, those are our submissions.

DEANE J:  Mr Jackson, do you not really need to address the majority

iudgment in EVDA NOMINEES, and particularly the

last sentence; bearing in mind that what was

involved there was not whether the decision should

be overruled, but whether argument should even be

heard about whether they were right or wrong as a

matter of principle?

MR JACKSON:  Yes, meaning by that, Your Honour, that the

question whether we should be permitted to argue the - in our submission, the Court's approach in

EVDA NOMINEES was one that was related, as it were,

to the circumstances of the particular case. I

am conscious in saying that that Your Honour took

the view - - -

DEANE J:  It does not matter what view I took.
MR JACKSON:  No, Your Honour. I was using it

impermissibly perhaps to reflect what was being

decided by the majority. What the Court said in

the majority was that the Court would not hear full

argument on every occasion when counsel wishes to

contend that a previous decision was wrongly

decided. We would submit, Your Honours, that the
circumstances in which the decisions ?resently in

·question are sought to be reconsidered is a case

where the Court ought to proceed to do so, that the

rule referred to, in so far as it be one, is one

of self-restraint by the Court and it is one that
can be lifted or imposed as the Court thinks it

appropriate to do so.

DEANE J:  Except if you look at the last sentence, we are

four years further on and we are informed that the

States have not only placed continuing but greater

reliance on the correctness of those decisions. What is the relevance in terms of principle of that reliance and to what extent should we look

at what it is difficult for counsel to discuss

and that is whether this is an area which, if it

were reopened, the Court could speak with one

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definitive voice as it did in section 92 as

a matter of principle, or whether it is a case where

a transient majority might have insuperable

difficulties with DENNIS HOTELS.

MR JACKSON: 

Your Honour, perhaps if I could deal with the last matter first.

Your Honour, one cannot,

of course, predict what would happen until after

there is a full argument, predict what view a

court might take and how many of the court would

take it until after the case has been argued.

That is a real difficulty, Your Honours, with

stopping the argument at the start, and one could
understand a view being taken by some members of
the Court that the argument at the end of it was

not sufficiently persuasive for them to take the

view that whatever might be their own view, if it

were a matter of first impression, that the earlier

cases should be disturbed.

Now, Your Honours, that might have the result

that the position would be as it is, as it were,
with a majority taking the view, for whatever reason,

that the earlier cases should remain.

(Continued on page 47)

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MR JACKSON (continuing): If that is the case then it may be

that the Court would deal with the matter in, I

suppose, one of two ways. One would be that in the

end the majority would say no more than that the

arguments did not satisfy them that DENNIS HOTELS

and so on should be overruled or should be

reconsidered, that is what I meant to say,

Your Honours. The other view would be that the

members of the Court might think that DENNIS HOTELS

was right. Now, it is not possible to say at this

point whether the result of the proceedings would
be a unanimous judgment of the Court or largely a

unanimous judgment of the Court or precisely the

basis on which it might happen. I do not know

that I can take it nruch further than that,

Your Honour, in relation to that point.

In relation to the fact that the States have

organized their financial affairs upon them,

Your Honours, could I say two things. The first

is that the observations of members of the Court

have, in our submission, made it apparent, though

not necessarily certain, that at some poin4 at an

appropriate point the decisions in DENNIS HOTELS

and so on may be reconsidered. Your Honours, I am

conscious of the fact in saying that that the
decision in EVDA NOMINEES, for example, expressed a

view that that should not happen at that stage,

but the various observations of members of the Court

have indicated that perhaps because of the slightly

unattractive, with respect, formalism of the earlier

decisions that they had the potentiality of being

reconsidered at a later point.

So that means that reliance on them in

organizing the financial affairs of the State is

reliance upon something that has the possibility of

disappearing later. I put it no higher than that,
Your Honours. The second thing about that is this:

it is one thing, of course, for States to organize

their financial affairs on a particular view of the

CONSTITUTION albeit a view which the Court have

espoused. But there are from time to time engineers'

cases and in the end, in our submission, it is the

CONSTITUTION which should prevail rather than the

view of the States.

The third feature about it, Your Honours, is this: that the time

is apt, we would submit,

for the Court to reconsider it~ apt because they

are perhaps, if I can put it this way, going a little

too far. On the other hand, there are further avenues

open which might replace the lost reverrues. Your Honours,

those are our submissions.

MASON CJ: Mr Solicitor for South Australia, I think you are

the next, are you not, in line to support reopening?

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MR DOYLE:  If the Court pleases, I hand up an outline of the

submissions on the question of reopening.

DEANE J:  Do they have black balls in the Solicitors-General's
..... ?
MR DOYLE:  Your Honour, it looks like being a lonely week
for me. And, Your Honours, I also wish to hand up
some appendices to those submissions. They are,

with just one or two exceptions, collections of

references to cases where particular views have been

expressed or reliance has been placed upon pa~ticular

approaches. So to save me going through them they

have been put in separate appendices.

(Continued on page 49)

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MASON CJ:  Yes, Mr Solicitor.

MR DOYLE: If the Court pleases, our submission is, as indicated

in paragraph l, that the Court should permit argument

to be presented dealing with, perhaps I might say,

fundamental nature of the term or the concept, excise,

should permitargument as to the correctness of previous

decisions and as to the reasoning which has been followed

in decisions. As I indicated,when I announced my

appearance, it is also our submission that if the Court rejects that approach then the Court should

not permit the correctness of DENNIS HOTELS to be reargued because, in principle, that itself gives rise to no issue of principle; it only involves the

approach to be taken to the detailed application of

one aspect of what could be said to be the broad,

current view taken and, that therefore, having regard

to the reliance by the States upon the decision in

DENNIS HOTELS, if the whole matter is a&e to be

reconsidered, there is no sound basis for reconsidering

that particular decision.

As to the submissions why it is appropriate to permit argument to be presented, our first submission,

as is in indicated in paragraph 2(a) of the outline

is that, in effect, there is no settled interpretation

of section 90 and that in recent cases there have

been, or continue to be, significant differences

of approach. I would seek to develop that point a

little later although not in any great detail and

I. refer there to COLE V WHITFIELD and to RE COLDHAM

simply as cases where the Court has relied upon

differences of approach as a factor supporting a

decision to reconsider those cases.

Our second submission in support of reopening

is that the reasoning in the judgments is unsatisfactory,

that is, the judgments referred to. There is, of

course, an element of bootstraps here because, in a sense, unless I could develop that point in detail, it stands as a mere assertion. So what I will seek

to do is to indicate very-briefly-why we submit, in three broad respects, the reasoning which has led

the Court from PETERSWALD V BARTLEY, a relatively

narrow view of excise, to the current, we submit,

relatively broad view of excise; why, in three b~oad

respects, that the approach to that broader view

may be seen to be unsatisfactory and, at least, to

warrant the conclusion that it would be appropriate

to re-examine the matter.

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MR DOYLE (continuing):  The third matter, if Your Honours

please, upon which we rely is set out in
paragraph 2(c), the practical result of the current

approach, and could I just give the Court two

other references to cases where the practical result

and in particular, at pages 57, 64-65 and 72-73.

has been seen as relevant on the question of
reopening? The first is COLE V WHITFIELD, in
particular, at page 315, column 1 letter E and at page
315, column 2 letters B-C and also THE COMMOffi.iEALTH V

In our submission, if one looks at the practical resulc in a broad sense of the current approach to

excise, it can be seen to have left the States with a

very narrow tax base in respect of taxes on goods

leading to what has been called the vertical imbalance
within the Federation, namely the relatively narrow
tax basis available to the States and the inadequacy

of that in relation to their expenditDre requirements.

Once again, of course, there is an element of

bootstraps in that argument also, because if it were

said, "Well, that was the intention of the founding

fathers, or of those who framed the CONSTITUTION",

then, of course, all I am pointing to is the very

result which was intended.

But, in our respectful submission, when one

considers as a preliminary issue whether the Court
should hear argument as to the rightness of the present

approach, it is permissible to point to this position

which has been regarded by many as unsatisfactory and

as simply warranting the Court embarking upon the task

of reconsidering the present basis. It does not mean,

of course, that it would be an argument for changing

the law, but what it is is an argument in favour of

reconsidering whether the present law is satisfactory.

So, in short, our submission, and I acknowledge the

circularity in this, is that the States have, in fact,

been excluded from a field of taxation which it was

not the intention of the framersof the CONSTITUTION

that they should be excluded from. (Continued on page 51)
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MR DOYLE (continuing):  The fourth matter which the

Court has in other cases had regard to in

considering whether reopening or whether leave

should be given for argument to be put in

support of reopening is the effect of a change
of approach. If the submissions which we would
seek to advance were to be accepted, then the

taxing powers of the States would be widened

and to that extent Commonwealth control in that

field would be limited, subject, of course, to the

question which has been alluded to in previous

decisions of the operation of section Sl(ii)

coupled with section 109.

So, of course, there are going to be effects

on the Commonwealth in that sense if the broader

view is taken. If, having reopened the whole

matter the Court came to a - sorry, there would

be effects on the Commonwealth if a narrower view

of excise were taken. If the Court gave leave

to reopen and concluded that either the present

meaning was right, or an even broader meaning

then in the latter event, of course, there will

be effects on the States. From my point of

view all I can submit to the Court is that

a time is reached sometimes when it is necessary,

if the Court considers that on a broad view
the present doctrine is sufficiently unsatisfactory,

to take those risks and to re-examine it in a

fundamental sense.

We would, however, make one point which may

be obvious, but I make it so it is not overlooked.

In our submission, it cannot be said that any

private parties could have ordered their affairs

on the basis of the present law in the broad sense

because if "excise" is given a wide meaning
then the Commonwealth can impose them and the States
cannot. If it is given a narrow meaning, States

can impose them. It is not something where by

changing the meaning, the Court will in any sense

expose private parties to liability to taxation

to which in no sense could they have been liable

before.

BRENN.AN J: It could have considerable effects on the

economy, I suppose, could it?

MR DOYLE:  Yes, Your Honour, and, of course, the relevance

of that is bound up with what one conceives to be the

purpose of section 90. Again, I will not try

to develop that in any detail but our submission

would be that section 90 is very much tied to

tariff policy, not to national control over the

taxation of goods.

Your Honours, it is our respectful submission,

therefore, that on those broad bases, the first two
of which I will seek in a moment to develop in a

little more detail, if in the end, having heard

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these submissions, the Court comes to the conclusion
there is sufficient cause simply to re-examine the
matter, then it is appropriate to do so and that

that is all we are concerned with: whether there

is sufficient cause to re-examine the matter.

In our respectful submission, the significance of

the application which I now make should not be

overstated.

(Continued on page 53)

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MR DOYLE (continuing): While it is, of course, time

consuming for the Court to hear detailed argument,
going back to what may seem at times to be
fundamentals, in our respectful submission,
if adequate reason can be demonstrated then
the Court should be relatively willing to do

so, otherwise there is a risk that because it

does not hear the full argument it will ultimately

fail to perceive that the current doctrine is

not, in truth, consistent with the true meaning

of the CONSTITUTION.

Your Honours, the submission we make as to the meaning of excise is stated concisely -

I hope concisely - in paragraph 4 of the outline.

It might be helpful to the Court if, rather

than try to develop it, because that would take
me into the argument which would come if leave

is given, if I tried to indicate, just in

substance, what difference it would make to

the present law.

DAWSON J: Could I just ask you, before you do that, in

practical terms it is referring to a tax by

a State within the State on the production of

goods because the Commonwealth is not concerned

with the ..... , of course?

MR DOYLE:  Yes. In a practical sense, Your Honour, because

we would acknowledge it is difficult to see

how a State could validly impose a tax on production

taking place elsewhere, yes.

DAWSON J: It comes close to what Justice Murphy was

suggesting?

MR DOYLE:  Yes, Your Honour, although, in some respects

it differs, although because he did not fully

elaborate his views, in some respects, perhaps

it would be fairer to say there may be some respects

in which this view differs from his but it would

come close to it.

Your Honours, the main change, in our respectful

submission, if the submission in paragraph 4

were accepted as to the true meaning of excise,

is that the States would be able to impose taxes

on steps subsequent to production and we would

submit production does not include sale and

so the States would be able to impose taxes

on wholesale sales, retail sales, sales generally.

What the States would not be able to do would be

to tax a step in production, something that

was identified as a step in production, nor

would they be able to impose a tax say on retail

sales but by reference to Australian production.

So a tax on only Australian wine. In our respectful sul:mission,

that would indicate that, in substance, that was a tax

·on production within Australia.

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MR DOYLE (continuing):  So, in a broad sense, our

submission would lead to the States being able

to impose what I might call non-discriminatory

taxes on dealings with goods once production is

complete and, in our submission, production does

not include sale. So in that sense our

submission would lead, without elaborating any

further, to a significantly narrower meaning of

the term and one which, we submit, is very close

if not the same as that supported in PETERSWALD

V BARTLEY but one cannot be certain of that because

obviously in PETERSWALD V BARTLEY all the possibilities
were not canvassed and one cannot be sure just where

the Court in that case would have gone on some

of the issues that have subsequently arisen.

As to decisions which we would submit are

wrong, Your Honours, moving to paragraph 5 of

the outline, I have indicated there the three

decisions which, on our approach, would be wrong

in the result. I understand from my learned

friend, the Solicitor foc Victoria, that when the

legislation under consideration in PARTON is

closely examined, which I confess I have not done,

it may well appear that the tax t:iere could, on its

terms, only fall on Victorian-produced milk, and

if that is in fact correct, then it may be that

PARTON is correct on a quite different Dasis from

the reasoning applied by the Court; in other words,

it might appear, when the facts were closely

examined in PARTON, that it was a tax which

discriminated in respect of the place of production

and if it does, then we would not be submitting

that PARTON was wrongly decided.

McHUGH J:  That is contrary to Mr Justice Murphy's approach,

is it not?

MR DOYLE:  Your Honour, just at the moment I cannot quite
rec a 11 what he said ab o u t d i s c r i m in a t or y t axe s a t
the stage of later dealings with goods, but I

thought he did indicate that such taxes would be

bad. That is my recollection. Your Honours, we

would also submit, although I overlooked including

it in the outline, that CHAMBERLAIN V WESTERN

AUSTRALIAN and HAMERSLEY V WESTERN AUSTRALIA were

wrongly decided because, again, they were taxes

on sale or on transactionssubsequent to production

which made no reference to the place of production. So we would also be submitting that those decisions are wrong.

Turning then, Your Honours, to the two points

which I would seek to elaborate just in a little

detail - they are paragraphs 2(a) and 2(b). First

of all the continuing differences of approach to

the interpretation of the section.

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MR DOYLE (continuing): It is our respectful submission that

since the decision in KAILIS V WESTERN AUSTRALIA,

there has been a fairly consistent division of

approach within the Court, with a majority taking
the view that the test in DENNIS HOTELS is not

applicable to a tax on production and with the

minority taking the different view.

I have referred to GOSFORD MEATS, and the

page references there are simply illustrations

of that difference of opinion. But it is our

respectful submission that underlying that difference,

namely the applicability of DENNIS HOTELS to taxes

on production, there is a more significant difference.

In recent decisions and also some not so

recent, some members of .the Court have consistently

decided cases in terms of the legal operation
or effect of the law disregarding the label applied
by the law to the tax or the way in which the

law describes the tax but, on the other hand, confining their attention to the legal effect

and operation of the law. Their approach has

been loosely described as the criterion of liability

approach. Other members of the Court have

consistently rejected that approach and have looked

to the practical effect and operation of the law. In our respectful submission, that continuing

division of approach is significant because what

it means is that to some members of the Court

an excise is something which is identified by

reference to the existence of a criterion of liability

and that criterion of liability is itself defined

reasonably precisely. To other members of the

Court, who take the substance and effect approach,
in our submission, an excise is a tax which has

the same effect as an exise and then those members

of the Court also have a particular view as to

what effect an excise has.

It is our respectful submission that when

you stand back and look at that position, that

in truth there really are two quite different

meanings within the Court as to excise although,

as Chief Justice Sir Harry Gibbs said in GOSFORD

MEATS, that in the end all members of the Court

are inquiring, is the tax upon or in respect of

a step in production, manufacture, sale or

distribution.

But, in our respectful submission, when you

look more closely at what the two different approaches

involve, it can be said that there are in truth

two different approaches to the meaning of excise.

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MR DOYLE (continuing): In our respectful submission, it is not

a case where one can say these two different approaches

are, while differing leading to the same result. As

the cases demonstrate, these different approaches

are leading to different results in the cases and so

that is why we submit that underlying the issue over the

applicability of DENNIS HOTELS to taxes on production,

is a more fundamental difference and that, in truth,

one can say there are two different views current

in recent judgments of the Court.

BRENNAN J: In what case do you suggest the differing views have

led to the difference in result?

MR DOYLE: Well, Your Honour, I refer there to the fact that there

are consistently dissentients and, perhaps I could take GOSFORD MEATS as an illustration, that on the approach of the then Chief Justice Mr Justice Gibbs

and Mr Justice Wilson, one result would have been

reached; on the other in-substance approach, a

different result was reached.

BRENNAN J:  By reason of that approach? By reason of the difference

between substantive and non-substantive approach?

MR DOYLE: Well, Your Honour, of course, both of the Judges I

have mentioned went on to say that, even applying the approach of the majority, they would have come to the

same conclusion but, in my respectful submission, that

does not deny the fact that, when one does stand back
and look at the respective approaches, you have one
line which says an excise is a tax which is imposed
by reference to a certain specified criterion and

another says an excise is a tax which has a certain

effect and the relevant effect is so-and-so. Even

though they argued, applying the majority app~oach,
that they would come to the same conclusion, I

submit nevertheless they were, in substance, supporting

what is, in truth, a different approach to the

fundamental issue and that their, as I call it,

fall-back position, simply demonstrated that even

when you take the in-substance approach, you will

not always necessary come to the same conclusion -

that is, all members of the Court - but at least then

the approach - and, I would submit, the fundamental
concept - becomes uniform.

Your Honours, in our submission, to some extent the Court appears to have accepted what we submit is,

in truth, a difference of approach on the basis that

in this area there is, as Your Honour Justice Dawson

said in GOSFORD MEATS, no ultimate truth.

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MR DOYLE (continuing): It is our respectful submission that

when leave-is sought to put argument that there may

be an ultimate truth, that the Court should be

cautious in saying, "Well, there is no ultimate

truth so we won't permit the argument to be put.",

once again one gets back to the problem that unless

the argument is heard one cannot be confident whether

or not there is any ultimate truth there. So, in
our respectful submission, while we have to

acknowledge if a member of the Court is satisfied

that without the Court being troubled by the hearing of argument, ultimate truth can never be arrived at,

well, then so be it but, in our respectful submission,

that is an approach which should be adopted with

great caution in case, in truth, after much toil

and effor4 someone produces that ultimate truth for

which people have been seeking for so many years.

So, Your Honours, that is the only elaboration

I would seek to make of proposition 2(a), that there are continuing differences of approach which are

more than mere differences of approach but in truth

reflect different views as to the meaning of an excise.

The second issue as to paragraph 2(b) is as to whether

the reasoning in the judgments is satisfactory and in

paragraph 8 of the outline I have identified what,

in our submission, the three separate bases on which

the Court gradually moved to the position that was

expressed in BOLTON V MADSEN and then has been applied

since. And I would just seek to make some brief

submissions as to each of those three.

The first of them is, we submit, the identification of a purpose for section 90 which is not its true

purpose and it appears that a number of judgments have

identified that purpose as Commonwealth control over

taxation of goods. Your Honours, in the volume of

appendices, in appendix 2 we have simply collected

judgments which appear to rely upon that broad purpose

for section 90. And could I add that in appendix 1

we have simply taken a number of the more significant

decisions in this area and identified which Judges

in those decisions relied upon which of the three

bases which we say have ultimately led the Court to

this broader test.

Your Honours, we submit, that when one looks at

the judgments which are referred to in appendix 2

it can be said, in our submission, and we do submit

that those who relied upon that broad purpose of

section 90 have not identified it by reference to

contemporary historical material nor by reference to

the convention debates nor by reference to constitutional

context, by which we mean, nor is it something which

they have been able to draw from the construction of
the particular constitutional provisions which are

relevant.

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MR DOYLE (continuing): It our respectful submission

that, in truth,no such broad implication can be

drawn from the constitutional provisions and

judgments which have supported that view are
set out in appendix 3. It is also our respectful
submission, and the point we would seek to

develop if leave were given - - -

McHUGH J:  Mr Solicitor, is there not some support

for that in the form of the draft bills? Was

not the 1891 bill amended in a way which might

give some support for that view?

MR DOYLE:  Is Your Honour referring to the deletion of

the provisions about excise on items which were

already the subject of customs?

McHUGH J: Yes, together with the mentions in the debate.

MR DOYLE:  Your Honour, in our respectful submission,

when one looks at the convention debates dealing

with this, what emerges reasonably clearly is that

a certain amount of confusion had descended upon

the assembly at that stage, and section 90 in

that stage of confusion was looked upon not as

a prohibition directed to the States, but they

began to look on it as a source of power for

the Commonwealth to impose the relevant taxes

and so,thinking of it that way, they began to

think, because of the link to tariff policy, that

there should be power to impose an excise only

on goods which were the subject of customs.

In our respectful submission, they were,in truth,

at that stage themselves misconceiving in a

very fundamental way the purpose of section 90

and it would be our submission that when one goes

to the debates dealing with that particular

amendment, it does appear that those who spoke

on the matter were seeing it as a source of power

for the Commonwealth rather than as a prohibition

directed to the States.

Your Honours, we would seek in due course,

if given leave, to refer to the convention debates

to establish the purpose behind section 90 and

our submission is that its purpose was no more

than giving the Commonwealth control over tariff

BR policy and preserving the quality of trade as between
the States and that it had nothing to do with giving
the Commonwealth control over the prices of goods,
nothing to do in the broad sense with giving the
Commonwealth control over the taxation of commodities
which it may be thought is simply another way of making
the former point.
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MR DOYLE (continuing):  The submission which we would seek

to develop is that if we have correctly identified

the purposes as tariff policy and equality of trade

between the States, then neither of those
purposes would suggest or support a meaning for

excise as wide as that expounded in BOLTON V

MADSEN and applied in recent decisions. So that

is the use which we would seek to make of the

convention debates and certain historical material

BR as denying the purpose attributed to section 90.
The second basis which, in our submission,
has led to the current view being taken lies in
the use made of the English meaning of the term
"excise" and on the drawing of some analogies or
some reliance upon the cases under the British
NORTH AMERICA ACT dealing with the concept of indirect
tax in relation to the Canadian constitution.
You r Hon o u r s , I j u s t r e-a' 1 i z e d I have j umped o v e r
appendix 4 in our volume of appendices. That simply
notes cases which are also deal with the purposes
of section 90.

Your Honours, in appendix 5 we have listed

cases where attention has been paid to the meaning

in history of the term "excise in England" and
in those decisions, in our submission, at least

two English meanings for the terms "excise" were

identified was :1 a tax at any stage upon home produced identified. First of all, one meaning which was
goods" and by "at any stage" I mean up to and
clearly including consumption.

The second English meaning was "an internal

tax upon goods" which meant that it was an excise

on that approach whether they were home produced

or not home produced, simply that it be an internal

tax. And, Your Honours, the cases in appendix

6 are the cases which advert, not always with great

precision, to those two different English meanings.

In appendix 7, Your Honours, we have referred to

cases where reliance has been placed upon the meaning

·of direct and indirect taxation under the British

NORTH AMERICA ACT.

Your Honours, in our submission, this reliance

upon the English and, to a lesser extent, Canadian

meaning of the term has been significant. His

His Honour Justice Dixon relied quite significantly

both upon the English meaning and the British NORTH

AMERICA ACT cases in developing his test in MATTHEWS

V CHICORY BOARD.

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MR DOYLE (continuing): That test was in turn in substance

adopted by the majority in PARTON and, in our

submission, the decision in PARTON in substance

formed the basis for the test ultimately adopted in

BOLTON V MADSEN. So we do submit that that reliance

upon the English and Canadian meanings has been

quite significant.

However, Your Honours, a number of judgments have

held that the term "excise" did have a particular or

special meaning in the Australian colonies in 1901 and

in appendix 9 we refer to judgments where there is

at least an acknowledgement that there was a distinct

Australian meaning. It is our respectful submission

that if that is acknowledged then the t:as'.( of the

Court is to ascertain what the Australian meaning was and if in truth the Court can be persuaded that in Australia in 1901 the term "excise" had a

particular meaning then that is the meaning which

should be given to it in interpreting the CONSTITUTION

and the English and Canadian meanings can in truth be

put aside as either not relevant at all or as of so

little weight that they can be disregarded.

If, of course, in the end the Court concludes

that the English and Canadian meanings wepe so infused

into the whole concept that no distinct Australian

meaning can be discovered, then so be it. But the

submission we would seek to put, if leave is given,

is that when one looks at the position in 1900 a quite

clear picture emerges of what was meant in the

Australian colonies by an excise and that it meant a

tax on the local production of goods and nothing else

and,in particular, was almost uniformly - I think

perhaps uniformly - a tax on the production of tobacco,

beer and spirits. And that in truth, colonial practice

and examination of it will demonstrate a relatively

precise and relatively narrow meaning for the term and,

in our submission, it .is the task of the Court to

endeavour to discover that meaning.

MASON CJ: It may be a convenient time to adjourn now,

Mr Solicitor.

MR DOYLE: If Your Honour pleases.

MASON CJ:  We will resume at 2.15.

AT 12.54 PM LUNCHEON ADJOURNMENT

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UPON RESUMING AT 2.18 PM: 
MASON CJ:  Yes, Mr Solicitor.

MR DOYLE: If the Court pleases. Just in answer to the point

Your Honour Mr Justice McHugh raised this morning,
I notice that in H.C. SLEIGH V SOUTH AUSTRALIA,

(1977) 136 CLR 475, in particular at page 527,

about point 6, Justice Murphy said, referring to

the power of the States:

A non-discriminatory tax on sales or

distribution or consumption is neither

a duty of customs nor or excise.

So I take him to mean, by inference, that a discriminator

tax would be.

McHUGH J:  Yes, why I was asking you was that I thought you said
that, in PARTON the legislation would survive -

MR DOYLE: Well, I said it might because I understood from

Mr Berkeley that when you, in fact, read the relevant

Victorian Act closely, you will find that it could

apply only to Victorian. milk on its terms, and therefore

there would at least be an argument that it was a

taxing act which singled out Victorian milk and

if it did, well then, I acknowledge, maybe it would

be a discriminatory tax and it may be valid.

Your Honours, I dealt with the English meaning

of the term "excise" and our submission is, as I put

in closing, that was significant in the reasoning of

Justice Dixon and that reasoning, in turn, was

significant in leading to the view adopted in

BOL'IO,N V MADESEN. Could I just give the Court three

references which I am not going to read from but

just tracing through how Justice Dixon and subsequently,

Chief Justice Dixon's views were influential and

reliance upon the English meaning. They are
BROWN'S TRANSPORT V KROPP, (1958) 100 CLR 117 at 129;

DENNIS HOTELS at pages 540, 559, 567 to 568, 574 and

592 to 593; and WHITEHOUSE VQµEENSLANIJ~ (1960)

104 CLR 604 at page 618.

(Continued on page 62)

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MR DOYLE (Continuing):  The only other point we would make in

relation to the English meaning is that, in our
submission, while in some of the earlier cases heavv

reliance was placed on the English meaning to arri~e

at what I would loosely call "the current approach".

Then, subsequently, the other two approaches, which we

identify in paragraph 8 of our outline, the purpose
approach and the economic-effect approach, are called
in aid and, to some extent, the reliance upon the

English approach drops out of sight.

But, in our submission, without wanting to seem

flippant, the reliance upon the English approach had,

as it were, already done its damage - it had got this
wider meaning established - and then these other

approaches were called in aid. So we submit the Court should look to establish the Australian meaning of the

term in 1901.

Your Honours, the third basis which we submit led to the current broader test and which is unsound, is

the argument that a tax upon a step in the distribution

of goods has the same effect as a tax upon production or
manufacture, namely, it seems, increasing the price to
the consumer and, accordingly, having that same effect

is equally a tax on production or manufacture and so,

in turn, is an excise. Judgments which have relied

upon the effect of a tax to decide that it is an excise,

are set out in appendix 10 in the book of appendices

and judgments which have identified the relevant effect
a little more precisely, are set out in appendix 11. Your Honours, it is our submission that that

analysis also is, with respect, fundamentally unsound.

If Your Honours would look at appendix 12, that is a

report from a New South Wales task force reviewing the

State tax system, but it has a very useful, in our submission, and quite brief discussion of the

incidence of taxes. At page 21 in the book of

appendices, in the lower part of the page, the writer
distinguishes between "legal incidence", which is

underlined, which is the legal obligation to pay, and

then, a few lines further down: 
The effective (or economic) incidence of a
tax -

which, he says:

describes who ultimately bears the tax after

all the shifting behaviour has been worked

through.

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MR DOYLE (continuing):  Over the page, Your Honours, at the

top of the page he makes the point of any given tax, and he takes there payroll tax which many might

say would prima facie be a direct tax. 1~ may be,

as he says:

backward shifted on to labour -

by, in effect, producing lower wage rates -

forward shifted to purchasers -

by producing higher output prices or -

not shifted at all (reducing profits,

share values and, probably, dividends)

coming from the manufacturer. And, Your Honours, I

will not go through the other parts of the report but

what they demonstrate is that of any given tax,

whether it is backward shifted, forward shifted or not

shifted at all, wiil depend upon a variety of factors.

lam not suggestin~ that this has not been

acknowledged in the cases but what, in our submission,··

it does demonstrate quite convincingly is that

reliance upon the fact of a tax entering the price of the

commodity is a rather shaky basis if we know that in

truth whether that happens will depend upon a whole range

of factors. One could even go so far as to say that

one cannot confidently talk of a tendency of the tax t0

enter the price of the commodity; it will or it will

not, depending on a range of market factors and even i

it does, as he demonstrates, some of it may be backwar

shifted, some may be forward shifted, some may not be

shifted at all. But that concept of a tax entering t~

price of goods, in our submission, this report tends

to indicate is economically more or less meaningless.

All one can say is that, given certain circumstances,

some of it may enter the price, some of it may be borne
by the person who legally pays, some of it may be

backward shifted.

McHUGH J:  · But, Mr Solicitor, may it not depend upon the

particular tax, the particular goods and whether or

not there is economic evidence which indicates that it

does have an effect on the - - -

MR DOYLE:  Yes. In our submission, in the end, you could only

answer an incidence question by knowing the details of

the tax, the details of the goods and the

circumstances of the economy at the time and so we

submit that it is a rather weak reed to re1y upon.

Your Honours, the materials in appendix 7, which I

touched on earlier, which relate to the terms "direct"

and "indirect tax" in the BRITISH NORTH AMERICA ACT

as is noted in the very brief resume of the position

there, about the middle of page 11, it was accepted

relatively early in relation to the Canadian cases

that this test of direct and indirect tax:

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cannot be applied in an economically

meaningful way.

But, when you really get down to it, you cannot

distinguish indirect and direct taxes in terms of

effective incidence.

(Continued on page 64)

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MR DOYLE (continuing):  As is noted over the page, this led

the courts to then talk of a "general tendency" of the

tax. We have a brief comment there from a Canadian
writer. As that writer says:

Modern economic analysis has largely stripped

Mill's distinction of meaning. But the courts
have not abandoned it.

We submit, to begin with, it is a weak reed, but more importantly, in our respectful submission, to a

large extent this notion of effective incidence, the

tendency of the tax to be passed on, has been used

to indicate that a tax is an indirect tax, rather
than a direct tax and therefore to indicate that it is

an excise. In our submission, incidence analysis

tells you nothing in answer to the question: "Is this

a direct tax or an indirect tax", because a direct

tax, income tax or land tax is equally likely to

enter the price, or to be backward shifted or not

shifted at all, or equally unlikely. In other words,

this incidence analysis is of no assistance in

distinguishing an indirect tax from a direct tax.

So, even in that respect, the use which has been made

of it in reasoning towards the meaning of excise is,

in our submission, of no assistance.

So, Your Honours, we submit that for those

reasons, which if leave was given we would develop
more fully, the approaches which have led to the
current meaning at least are sufficiently open to

criticism to warrant the Court reconsidering whether

the current meaning is sound. I would make one final

point in that area. In BOLTON V MADSEN the Court made
the point that the mere fact that the taxpayer could
mathematically, knowing how much tax he had to pay,
allocate it across the goods he was carrying - so

they are the tonne mile tax. He knew what it was that he had to pay; he knew how many items he was

paying. He could, if he chose, distribute it either

per item or per pound weight of each item.

(Continued on page 65)
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MR DOYLE (continuing): The Court said that did not

indicate that it was an excise. Nevertheless

the Court has said, in that same case, that

the tendency of the tax to enter the price of

goods is an indicator that it is an excise.
And once it is accepted that you cannot say,

"The tax simply enters completely the price of the goods and then is passed on", in our submission, the contrast between the two

positions in BOLTON appears as a non-existent

contrast; in other words, there is, in truth,

no difference in terms of incidence, between

the man in BOLTON V MADSEN who is not paying

an excise but could if he chose calculate how

to spread it over his goods and the position
that would have been arrived at if, in truth,

it was an excise. It is just an analysis which

does not help.

So we submit that does warrant g1v1ng

leave for argument to be presented. We would

also submit that the decision of the Court in

COLE V WHITFIELD is another reason why it may

be appropriate for the Court to give that leave.

In that case the Court, in our submission, recognized the central importance to Federation

as a whole of a uniform external tariff being

established and recognized, as was obvious,

the importance of the Commonwealth having control

of that uniform external tariff. And the Court's

concept, in our submission, of the protectionist

burden was a concept of a burden operating on

trade among the States but within a country

around which was a uniform external tariff.

In our submission, if one goes from there

to say, "The two arms of tariff policy are customs

and excise", it is at least compatible with

what is in COLE V WHITFIELD to suggest that,

in truth, that is the role of section 90. Simply,

external tariff policy and, to the extent that excises can affect equality of trade among the

-States, equality of trade. And that, in turn, suggests that seeing section 90 as directed
to control over taxation of goods generally
is to give it a purpose that at least does not
sit easily with the purpose that COLE V WHITFIELD
suggests it may well have had.

Again, that is an argument that would have

to be developed but, in our submission, COLE for saying.it is appropriate to reconsider the

existing law. Our final submission, Your Honours,

is that if leave is not given to reconsider

the basis of the law generally the Court should

not give leave to reargue the correctness of

DENNIS HOTELS.

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MR DOYLE (continuing):  In our respectful submission, 1t

the present law is in substance to remain as it

is, then what DENNIS HOTELS addresses is the issue

of when is a tax on someone who sells also a tax

on goods, and the answer is that if it is not

sufficiently related to quantity and value it is not and, in our submission, that is in no sense, in the context of the present law, a fundamental

issue. It is a question to which clearly different

answers can be given on a given set of facts but, in our submission, one cannot say that the answer given in DENNIS HOTELS, as it were, destroys the

central concept of excise as espoused in BOLTON

V MADSEN and subsequent cases, nor can one say -

and this is in answer to a point raised by

Your Honour Justice Brennan this morning - in our

submission, that the answer given in DENNIS HOTELS

then produces problems in other areas of

constitutional law. In our respectful submission,

it illustrates, as was said a number of times this

morning, particularly by Your Honour Justice Dawson,

that under any test lines will have to be drawn.

In our respectful submission, this is the

sort of line as to which one can say, "Whatever

your test is some sort of line will have to be

drawn",; and unless one came to the cone lus ion that

the drawing of the line at a particular point

was compellingly the right answer, in our

respectful submission, then, if you have a

decision as to where the line should be drawn,

the decision has stood for a reasonable number of

years, it has been significantly relied upon, it

is satisfactory to say, "We won't attempt to

redraw the line because there is no compellingly

correct point at which to draw it". So, in that

situation, in our respectful submission, and which

we submit is the situation here, it is not

appropriate to embark upon redrawing the line, and

if it was, then it would be equally appropriate in

10 years time for someone to try to persuade the

Court to draw it back again where DENNIS HOTELS

did.

That would be an endless process and, in

our submission, would not lead to any elucidation
of underlying principle. It would just lead to

continued argument over where to draw that particular

line.

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MR DOYLE (continuing): It is also our submission, Your Honours,

in relation to DENNIS HOTELS, that the submissions

advanced this morning to some extent appear to misapply

it. In our respectful submission, DENNIS HOTELS is a

decision which is applicable to taxes on sales. It is

not a decision which is applicable only to taxes on

sales when made by a retailer and so, on that basis,

as we understand the decision in SLEIGH, DENNIS HOTELS

was applied even though at least one of the plaintiffs

in SLEIGH was a manufacturer, because the point was

made and, in particular, by Your Honour Justice Mason -

this is H.C. SLEIGH V SOUTH AUSTRALIA, (1977)

(1977) 136 CLR 475 and in particular at page 503,

Your Honour Justice Mason said, having referred to the

argument:

There is in all this nothing to distinguish

the licence fee from that which was dealt

with in DICKENSON'S ARCADE. Although some

attempt was made to suggest that the plaintiff
was engaged in manufacturing operations in that
it included one or more additives in the

petroleum products which it obtained from

refiners, the prohibition is against carrying

on the business of selling petroleum products

without a licence, that is against selling.

not against manufacturing. The case is, therefore,

governed by DICKENSON'S ARCADE.

So the case was seen as applying, although it was a

manufacturer, because the relevant licence and the

relevant fee related to selling not manufacturing

and that, again, is why, in our submission, GOSFORD

and LOGAN DOWNS were capable of being distinguished

because there the relevant licence and fee related

to production, not to selling. So, in our

respectful submission, in so far as the submissions

this morning have suggested that in some way

DICKENSON'S ARCADE produces problems in that particular

area, we submit there is a clear and evident

distinction to be drawn and that is between fees

related to sale and fees related to production.

Of course, the big issue is, in a sense, was

it a valid distinction to draw? It is one thing to

say it is there; it is another thing to say it is

valid and that, of course, is a matter on which,again,

differing views can be expressed and we submit that-there

is nothing to be achieved by going to the question

of which is the right view. So, for those

reasons, we would submit that leave should be given

to present the argument and the bottom line of what

we are submitting is that there is a sufficient

prospect of some clarity coming from all this to warrant the Court hearing the argument and then our

second submission is that if the Court is against us

on that, it should indicate that the matter will be

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decided in terms of the existing case law and it

will not look simply at the correctness of

DENNIS HOTELS and nothing else. If the Court pleases.

MASON CJ:  Thank you, Mr Solicitor. Mr Solicitor for Victoria.
MR BERKELEY:  The question before the Court is not whether

DENNIS HOTELS is right or wrong but whether it should

be reargued. I will, first of all, comment briefly

on the observations made by counsel who have gone

before me and then we will add some observations of

our own. In COLE V WHITFIELD, Your Honour Justice Brennan

said to me, "Can you really reconsider section 92

without reconsidering section 90?" And in my

s imo le-minded dogmatism, I said, "Yes, you can."

Wel~ I have to confess, Your Honour, you were right

and I was wrong.

BRENNAN J:  I did not have a view.

MR BERKELEY: Well, we always do that, sir, every time a judge

asks a question, all the barristers start writing

furiously and spoil their lunches, but there we are.

The fact is, COLE V WHITFIELD does illuminate what

is the true purpose of section 92 and to some extent,

it does illuminate the true purpose of section 90.

(Continued on page 69)

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MR BERKELEY (continuing):  But that does not mean that DEN0IS

HOTELS should be reconsidered because, however

much illumination you get upon the sea of

section 90, you still find floating in the middle of it the little island of DENNIS HOTELS. I will amplify it in this way: that if the Court

reconsidered the law on excise and came to the

conclusion that a retail sales tax was not an

excise, that would not involve overruling DENNIS

HOTELS - it would just wither on the vine; it would not be needed.

If, on the contrary, on a reconsideration

of the law as to section 90 the Court came to the conclusion that a retail sales tax was an

excise, there would be no change in the law as

far as is relevant to the facts of this case.

You would just have the existing situation; there

might be some other basis for it but that would
still leave standing DENNIS HOTELS which some

judges may think of as an anomaly, and some judges may think of not as an anomaly but there it stood, for 29 years, as a permissible tax for States

to levy notwithstanding what is clearly the law -

and that is that a direct and general retail sales

tax would be an excise.

So that it does not advance the argument

for the olaintiff to say that the matter ought

be reconsidered · in the light of COLE V WHITFIELD

because this Court is not sitting here to give

advisory opinions and we will be relying on COLE

V WHITFIELD when it is suggested by the plaintiffs

that you can distinguish the case of a producer.

We will be relying on what light COLE V WHITFIELD

throws upon the purpose of section 90 to suggest

that as far as DENNIS HOTELS is concerned you

cannot distinguish the case of a producer. But

that, in itself, the fact that COLE V WHITFIELD

has something general to say about section 90,

is not of itself reason for looking again at

DENNIS HOTELS and nor is the fact put by my learned

friend, the Solicitor for South Australia, that

there is a difference of opinion as to the application

of DENNIS to producers because the fact that the first plaintiff is a producer is, again, not

a ground for reconsidering DENNIS HOTELS. It is a ground for distinguishing DENNIS HOTELS.

It is a ground for asking this Court to say, "What

are the limits of what was actually decided in

that case?" But it is not a ground for allowing

the plaintiff to say the case was wrong.

If, on what it actually decided, it applies

to producers, so be it; and if, on what it actually

decided, it does not apply to producers, so be

it. But it is not a ground for overruling or allowing the plaintiffs to reargue the case itself.

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BRENNAN J: Mr Solicitor, I am not sure that I follow precisely

what you were saying about COLE V WHITFIELD.

Are you saying that the decision in COLE V WHITFIELD, or the reasons for the decision in COLE V WHITFIELD

are, on analysis, inconsistent with the decision,

for example, in GOSFORD MEATS?

MR BERKELEY:  No, Your Honour.
BRENNAN J:  So that the distinction of DENNIS HOTELS from

the situation in GOSFORD MEATS can stand consistently

with COLE V WHITFIELD?

MR BERKELEY:  Yes, Your Honour. I do not want to be misleading

about this but I do not want to fall - well, I

do not want to do what some other counsel have

already done, and that is argue my case at this

stage. I just want to limit myself, if I may,
to the question presently before the Court. But

when I put my full argument, what I say will be

consistent with the decision in GOSFORD MEATS

being good law.

BRENNAN J:  Yes.

DEANE J: That is an in terrorem point, is it?

MR BERKELEY:  No, I am a vegetarian myself, Your Honour.

It was said that, in some way, DENNIS HOTELS was

inconsistent with or overruled by what was said

in GOSFORD MEATS but it was done by a rather strange

mode of argument.

(Continued on page 71)

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MR BERKELEY (continuing):  The three Judges in the minority

who relied upon what they decided, they relied upon

DENNIS HOTELS as good authority for deciding what

they did as the three Judges in the minority and in

the course of doing that they said on the facts of

this case you could not distinguish DENNIS HOTELS,

and then because the majority did distinguish

DENNIS HOTELS, it was said the effect of GOSFORD MEATS

was to overrule DENNIS. It was nothing of the sort:

you had three Judges in the minority that said DENNIS was good law, the actual decision, and four Judges in

the majority said it was good law. So, we have got

all of the Judges of this Court in the most recent

case on excise saying DENNIS HOTELS, however narrow or

wide an application you give it, for what it actually

decided is good law.

Your Honour the Chief Justice and Justice Deane

at page 385 in the passage read by Mr Charles,

Mr Justice Murphy, for reasons of his own which have

not so far been shared by the other members of the Court, has always been of the view that the actual

decision in DENNIS HOTELS was right, and Your Honour

Mr Justice Brennan at page 410. So that so far

from GOSFORD MEATS being against us on this point,

it is very much in our favour. It is said that the

decision provides uncertainty for business and governments.

I doubt whether anybody here representing one of the

governments of a State is going to be heard

to complain about that. With respect to my learned

friends, I did not understand how it was inconvenient

for business.

It is not of itself a good reason that there

is a difference of opinion in the Court about this

matter, or that somewhere, as my learned friend,

Mr Doyle said, there is an ultimate truth. It may be on a Sunday morning to a different audience that argument or statement would bear some attraction but, as Your Honour Mr Justice Dawson said, in this area of

the law there is no ultimate truth and we ought to

accept that what the Court has actually decided show

the limits of where the truth is in respect of excises.

I want to go, if I may, to SLEIGH's case in

136 CLR, at page 501, in the judgment of Your Honour

the Chief Justice.

MASON CJ:  We have already been referred to this, have

we not, during the morning?

MR BERKELEY:  I am almost certain it was not read,
Your Honour. The page might have been mentioned,

but if Your Honour tells me the page has been read

out I will not read it again, but my own recollection

is that it has not been read.

MASON CJ:  No, I do not think it has been read word

for wprd.

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MR BERKELEY:  Yes. I can take the hint, Your Honour.

We rely upon what Your Honour says there for

not now departing from DENNIS.

MASON CJ:  But I suppose you would say the case is

stronger because the reliance has been placed - - -

MR BERKELEY:  Of course it is, Your Honour.
MASON CJ:  - - - on these arrangements over the years

and they now, according to the evidence, form

such a large part of State revenue.

(Continued on page 73)

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MR BERKELEY:  And also, from what Your Honour said in

LOGAN DOWNS, 137 CLR 77, where Your Honour pointed

out it was in - where we get to the borderline
of what is or is not an excise. It is really

impossible to say that a particular case in

any absolute or ultimate sense is right or wrong,

any particular decision:

Quite apart from what has been decided

and what has been said in DICKENSON'S ARCADE
and KAILIS, it needs to be emphasized that

DENNIS HOTELS, BOLTON V MADSEN and for that

matter DICKENSON'S ARCADE ..... were cases

involving impositions levied at a time when

goods were in course of sale or distribution,

after the process of ·manufacture or production

had been completed. It has always been

recognized that before these impositions

can be characterized as an excise a direct

relationship between the tax and the goods
must be shown.

It is obvious from the stated case, the large extent to which the States have relied upon franchise fees and that appears at paragraphs 23

and 26 and the following paragraphs and it is

enough to say that in the case of Victoria the

rate of tax has risen between 1974 and 1988

from 5 per cent to 30 per cent and the revenue

from franchise fees as a percentage of the total

tax revenue of the State has risen from 5½ per cent
to over 11 per cent and there are similar figures

in the cases of other States but it is to be noted that in the case of the smaller States

such as Western Australia and Tasmania the percentage

is particularly high, 18 per cent and 24 per cent,

and that is, of course, because those States

have a smaller taxable base from which to levy

other taxes and that has been the case ever

since Federation and when one reads the convention

debates one sees complaints from the smaller

States as to the great difficulty they will

-face when they are deprived of revenues from

customs and excise because of the small scope

they had for substituting other taxes. And
that is still the situation today.

If, in fact, this source of revenue is not

available to the States, that is, franchise

fees, and the reason why their reliance upon

it is so important is that franchise fees have equity and they have inbuilt into them natural growth; that is, the amount of revenue received

grows with the growth in the economy. And that

if States are deprived of this form of tax they

will be driven in two ways: one, they will have

to impose more severely taxes which are generally

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recognized as being harmful to the community,

such as payroll tax which discourages employment

or stamp duties which are regarded as lacking

equity. And also, they will be driven to, if

not subterfuge, further attempts to get around

the constitutional prohibition, for instance,

by way of consumption taxes. And also, there

will be an increased lack of accountability

on the part of States.

Australia is the Federation in the world where the States raise the least amount of the

money they spend. It is about, I think, under

50 per cent; in the case of Canada and Germany

it is almost 100 per cene, But this aspect of

the difficulty States face at the moment and

which would be made worse by reconsidering DENNIS

HOTELS and overruling it is referred to in a

document called The Report of the Fiscal Powers

Subcommittee to the Standing Committee of the

Australian Constitutional Convention and there is a section of that which deals with taxation

under section 90 which I have had photocopied

and I hand up photocopies to the Court. And

I would like to read out as relevant to our submission and adopt as our own some of the

matters put by that committee and I will also

refer to some of the figures which they set

out.

(Continuing on page 75)

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MASON CJ: 

But you cannot take these too far, can you? The States have vacated the field of income tax.

That is one of the contributing factors to this
imbalance that you talk about.
MR BERKELEY: Yes, Your Honour.
BRENNAN J:  And death duties.
MR BERKELEY:  Yes. I do not know what the figures are

there, Your Honour, but the fact is that - that

is so, Your Honour. One doubts whether they
would go back to income tax. I mean, the fact is

there is so much to be squeezed out of the lemon

in that respect and one assumes that at the moment

the Commonwealth is doing the squeezing but it

is also obviously doing it on behalf of the States,

so whether there is further scope for additional

income tax in the current economic climate, or the

economic climate as it exists from time to time is

perhaps a matter for some doubt. I certainly hope

it has gone as far as it can go.

MASON CJ:  But the problem is that there the deficiency

or shortfall is a matter of political arrangement.

I do not see why what is a matter of political

arrangement should constitute further pressure
for interpretation of a constitutional provision

in a way which would favour the States ~evenue

raising capacity.

MR BERKELEY:  Your Honour - I am talking about income

tax at the moment - it is true that it is a

_pQlitical
ma.tter·for arrangement between the income tax which provides the funds available to both the Commonwealth and to the States. That

is true, Your Honour, but one cannot infer from

that that if the States resumed levying income taxes

that that would increase the tax.base available

to the States. The particular passage,
Your Honour - I will not read them - it is

paragraph 2.12 and then paragraph 2.17 down to the

end of paragraph 2.22. The learned authors

point out, and we woula also submit to the Court

the desirability or at least the harmful effects

of the great discrepancy between the amount of

money raised by the States and the amount of
money spent by them.

Now, I understand what Your Honour says about income tax, but the question which is raised

by this case is whether what - you see, we have

an existing situation, no doubt brought about by

political considerations, but in considering

whether to reopen DENNIS HOTELS or not the question

which faces the Court is whether that decision

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ought to be made more extreme that it presently

is. In· my submission, that is a matter that
the Court can take into account. Your Honours

will see from the table on page 13, that sets

out the total amount raised by States and local

government as a percentage of the whole of the
revenue earned by those bodies from public,

that is the total taxation, and the comparative

figures for various federations are set out

there.

(Continued on page 77)

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McHUGH J:  Are these revenues raised by way of taxation or
do they include other revenues - - -
MR BERKELEY:  I understand the revenues are raised by

taxation, Your Honour - - -

McHUGH J:  As opposed to?
MR BERKELEY:  It is a total of all public taxation.
McHUGH J:  As distinguished from matters such as royalties

and matters of that nature?

MR BERKELEY:  I am only talking from hearsay. I got it

from Dr Saunders and I did not go to the original

work; this is taken from Mr Musgrove's book on

Tax Assignment and Revenue Sharing but I understand
it is a sense of all taxation.

For those reasons, in our submission,

Your Honours, nothing has happened since EVDA which would indicate that it is appropriate to depart from what was said in EVDA, except COLE V WHITFIELD,

and for reasons we have stated that in itself is not

a reason from departing from what the Court said in

EVDA. If the Court pleases.

MASON CJ:  Thank you, Mr Solicitor. Mr Solicitor for New

South Wales?

MR MASON:  The brief reasons why we oppose the reopening are
as follows. We submit that DENNIS HOTELS involves

a question of the application of an exception to an

uncertain rule. Whether that application is arrived

at by a formal or substantive approach is a matter

of debate. What the width of the rule to which it is

an application may be a matter of dispute upon which

the States would certainly wish to be heard in

support of the outline adumbrated by my learned

friend, the Solicitor for South Australia. But that

has little bearing upon the question whether the Court

should reopen DENNIS HOTELS which itself is an

~xceptional situation.

Secondly, DENNIS HOTELS is not, in our submission,

demonstrably wrong, that being the test suggestea

by Your Honour the Chief Justice in SLEIGH's case

at 50~ and we would seek to support that proposition

by pointing to the support which DENNIS HOTELS, in its

reasoning, has from Justices of this Court.

Thirdly, there has been no indication of a clear

view of an alternative approach.

Fourthly, this Court has consistently refused to reopen the matter. Some mention has been made about

the GOSFORD MEATS case; that was decided only 10 months

after EVDA by the same Bench of the Court that

decided EVDA and there was no suggestion there of an

intention to reconsider DENNIS itself.

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Fifthly, the States have relied increasingly upon

DENNIS as a source of revenue and with respect to my

friends for the plaintiffs, that cannot convert the

States action into some sort of demerit that should

be used against them any more than the increased

Cormnonwealth reliance upon this Court's interpretation

of section 96 can itself be used as a basis for a

reopening of that situation.

Sixthly, we would submit that reopening would

seriously disturb the already precarious financial

position of the States, vis-a-vis the Cormnonwealth,

and the undesirable fiscal imbalance to which mention

has already been made.

In the material that my learned friend from

Victoria handed up just a minute ago, there is on

pages· 9 and 10 a reference to the fact that: in 1981-82 the Commonwealth raised

approximately 81 per cent of total taxation

revenues while Commonwealth expenditure for

its own purposes was approximately 51 per

cent.

We would submit that as a very general matter of

principle that is an undesirable fiscal imbalance from

the point of view of federalism.

(Continued on page 79)

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McHUGH J:  Mr Solicitor, your submissions about this assume that
if DENNIS HOTELS - if the reasoning is reopened
and the decisions are reopened, you will be worse
off but if you adopt the submissions of the
Solicitor-General for South Australia, you may have
your cake and be able to eat it as well.

MR MASON: Well, that is right, but we would like to, perhaps,

eat our cake when the question arises. What my

learned friend, Mr Doyle, was directing his argument

alrnost entirely at was the need to narrow the rule to

which DENNIS is an exception. Now, when the States

pass a sales tax Act or a consumption tax Act, that

will be the time to be concerned about that. Why

reconsider the exception when it will not be involved

in the present case? That is my submission.

Eighthly, we would rely upon the attitude of the Commonwealth which supports the stance which the States, except for South Australia, are putting

to the Court here. If section 90 has some purpose

and there is debate about what that purpose is, it

all seems to be related in some way to Commonwealth

control of something. Now, if the Commonwealth

is content at the present state of affairs concerning

licensing fees, that is a ground, in our submission,

to be taken into account in considering whether to

disturb the status quo.

Ninethly, we submit there is no confusion about

the present law at least until a taxpayer went to

see his barrister and that is not the basis upon

which the question of confusion should be examined

from the point of view of the taxpayer. Tenthly, we

submit that nothing has changed since EVDA except

greater reliance by the State upon what the Court

has declared to be law. The real question here is
whether leave should be given to reopen EVDA. There

has been discussion about reopening DENNIS but the

very issue which turned upon the correctness of

DENNIS and the reliance factor was addressed by the

Court in EVDA and the Court spoke there very clearly.

We would submit there is nothing in the section 92

cases which throws any doubt upon the DENNIS cases. COLE V'.'WHITFIELD may be of assistance to the States in arguing a narrower interpretation of the concept of duties of excise but, in my submission, that is

not involved directly in the DENNIS line itself.

Finally, we would submit, in the light of what fell from some discussion this morning, DENNIS HOTELS does

not involve any impairment of development of

constitutional doctrine.

Your Honours, so far as the COASTACE case is

concerned, the plaintiffs there are solely in a

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position of wholesalers, so if the Court were of the view that there was some distinction between the position of a manufacturer and a wholesaler.

which we would deny as being relevant, but if that
were the Court's view, in the COASTACE case it is

solely a wholesaler situation and therefore DENNIS,

even on its narrower view, is clear authority for

the position of the validity of the tax. If the

Court pleases.

MASON CJ:  Thank you, Mr Solicitor. Mr Solicitor for Tasmania.
MR BALE:  If it please the Court, may I hand up a brief outline?
MASON CJ:  Yes, Mr Solicitor.

(Continued on page 81)

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MR BALE:  May it please the Court, I believe it would be
apparent from the outline that what I had
proposed to say has already been said in
substance by my learned friends, the Solicitors
for Victoria and New South Wales, and at the
outset may I say I adopt and support what they
have said.

There are only two points that I would

like to emphasize in relation to those submissions.

The first is that each of the four points which

the Court in JOHN recently considered as appropriate

to take into account when determining whether or

not a prior decision should be reviewed are all to a greater or lesser extent satisfied in this

case in support of the argument against reopening.

The first is that there is not just one case, but there are four cases in fact in a line which would

necessarily be opened:  DENNIS, DICKENSON,

SLEIGH and EVDA NOMINEES. It is our contention

that they have now, for a period of close to

29 years, provided the basis upon which every

State of Australia has determined its funding,

rmre so - and I will come to this in a moment -

dramatically in the last decade.

Secondly, although there have been some

differences in the reasoning of the Judges

who formed the majority of the two first cases

in that line, those differences, in my submission,

are in matters of principle relatively minor and

they save consistently, and almost unanimously,

been applied in the two more recent cases in the

line, SLEIGH and EVDA. Thirdly, the decisions

have indeed produced a useful practical result.

They have provided, so far as the States are

concerned, a relatively certain, and not just

a stable, but a gradually increasing source of

revenue so that the States have been able to

maintain at least some semblance of independence

in relation to their taxing powers.

Fourthly, they have indeed been acted upon by all States in a way which is fundamental to

their economies, and this is the second point

that I wish to emphasize. Your Honours will

see in the case stated in PHILIP MORRIS a

number of tables, starting on page 9 of the

case stated and going through to the bottom of

page 12, setting out the incomes of the various

States from the three traditional and major

excise fees, and then in the last column,

indicating the percentage of/the total of those

fees bears to the total amount of tax revenue.

In answer to Your Honour Justice McHugh, I would

believe it is in relation to tax revenue only

and not to total State revenues. I would understand
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that there are three components to State

revenues generally. There are tax revenues

which in broad figures are 25 per cent of their

total revenue; revenue from the Commonwealth,

which is about 50 per cent; and other revenues
which total approximately 25 per cent. These

are expressed as percentages of tax revenue.

Your Honours will quickly see there that

there has been a dramatic increase in the 1980s

in the reliance by States on revenues from the

franchise source, and that reliance is particularly

marked in the cases of those States, particularly

Western Australia and Tasmania who have fewer

alternative sources of revenue to the extent

that in Tasmania in 1987/88 almost 24 per cent

of its total tax revenue came from franchise fees

and, you will see on the preceding page,

in relation to Western Australia, nearly 18 per

cent, although in the previous year it had been

almost 22 per cent.

It is our submission that where the States

have come over a period of time, relying upon

the decisions of this Court, to construct their
revenues in a way which necessitates the continued
acceptance by the Court of its previous decisions

that provides an even stronger base for not

putting at risk - and I do not presume to indicate

what the Court's decision might be were DENNIS and

these other cases reopened - but the revenue base

should not be put at risk by the Court reopening

those decisions.

DEANE J:  Except in one sense the States are trying

to say black and white at the same time in that
they are trying to push the DENNIS HOTELS

anomaly into production and at least some of

them are submitting that the rule to which

DENNIS HOTELS is an exception should be narrowed,

but what they are saying is, "Entertain both arguments,

but do it in a way which does not raise up the

fundamental question whether DENNIS HOTELS can

be allowed to stand consistently with principle in

these circumstances".

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MR BALE:  I hope that I am not trying to wheel two barrows,
Your Hono0r.

DEANE J: Well, you are trying to push it into the field

of production.

MR BALE:  I am certainly not trying to say that the
fundamental rule should be narrowed for the purposes
of this argument.
DEANE J:  I thou9ht your submission was that the DENNIS
HOTELS exception applied to your tax on a fisherman's
production.
MR BALE:  Not at all, Your Honour, no.

DEANE J: I see. Well, I have misunderstood that.

MR BALE:  No. I do not begin on HARPER and that will not

be one of the arguments that I will be advancing

in HARPER.

DEANE J:  You will not be relying on DENNIS HOTELS?

MR BALE: No, I will not. All I am saying in this particular

area is that DENNIS HOTELS can be and should be

confined to within its limits as accepted and

pronounced by the Court at this time. I contend
for no extension.

DEANE J: That completely answers what I put in relation

to production. It does not completely answer

the proposition that the States are trying - or

some of them are trying - to attract the rule

but saying that you must leave the exception as

if it cannot even be examined.

MR BALE:  Yes, for the purposes of this argument, Your Honour,

I do not seek to contract the rule. I simply say the reliance has come to be such, through practice over a long period of time, that the

States would be sorely prejudiced were that reliance,
or the ability to have that reliance, now to be
removed.

The only other thing I should add is that

if the Court were to decide that this line of

authorities should be reviewed, I would certainly

strongly support the argument by the learned Solicitor

for South Australia that, in that situation, the

entire question of excise should properly be made

subject to review. May it please the Court.

MASON CJ: Is that attitude generally shared by the States?

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MR BALE:  I would believe it is, Your Honour. I would not

wish to speak for them but I believe that would

be generally accepted. Perhaps those who follow

me might confirm my understanding that that is

the position.

MASON CJ: That was my impression from your predecessors,

that is the Solicitors for Victoria and New South

Wales, although they did not state it as explicitly

as you have done.

MR BALE:  I would believe that is a generally accepted view
amongst the States, Your Honour.

MASON CJ: Thank you.

MR BALE:  May it please.
MASON CJ:  Yes, Mr Solicitor for the Commonwealth?

MR GRIFFITH: If the Court please, we have short contentions

to hand up on the reopening issue.

MASON CJ:  Thank you.

MR GRIFFITH: If the Court pleases, they are somewhat short

and perhaps pragmatic. In paragraph 2 we make

the short point that in COLE V WHITFIELD one might

say that there was then uncertainty as to meaning of section 92 to the extent that it was suggested

that there was no accepted meaning. Whereas,

with respect to DENNIS HOTELS, our submission
is that it has repeatedly been allowed to stand

as authority on its own facts but no more than

its own facts.

In paragraph 3 we make the point that has

already been referred to by my learned friend,

Mr Doyle, that in H.C. SLEIGH there does seem

to be a reference in the judgments of four of

the Court to the fact that one of the plaintiffs

was engaged in production - and we give the page

references there, including page 503 of Your Honour

the Chief Justice which was read by my learned

friend, Mr Doyle.

Our general submission is that if leave is

given to reopen any question decided by authority,

that leave should be confined to reopening the

DENNIS HOTELS decision but we would, perhaps,

accept the gloss made of by my learned friend,

the Solicitor-General for New South Wales, that

one is really referring to the EVDA decision as

well.

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Our general submission about DENNIS HOTELS is

that that decision is not fundamental, in our

submission, to the meaning of "excise". We can

test this in two ways: firstly, we would submit

that my learned friend's, the Solicitor-General

for South Australia, general proposition made

in paragraph 4 on page 2 of his contentions, is

one which can be made absent any DENNIS HOTELS

situation. In this obvious case, if it was desired

to test that proposition, a State tax on a licence

referable to current sales would be sufficient

to throw up all the issues which my learned friend,

Mr Doyle, seeks to embrace as to what is the

ultimate meaning of "excise".

(Continued on page 85)

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MR GRIFFITH (continuing): We would submit that iE one

regards DENNIS HOTELS as an island in a sea

or perhaps in a lake - we think of it as being

where the carillon is in the lake- the question

of where the low watermark is of that lake

is something, for example, examined in the GOSFORD

decision. But that issue has nothing to say

about what are the bounds of the lake. In our submission the question of what are the bounds

of excise are issues to be addressed quite

independently of whether or not DENNIS HOTELS

should remain as an anachronism in that lake,

i n t ha t s e a , a ri d i f th a t i s s u e we r e t es t e d my

learned friend, Mr Doyle, in his submissions,

engages in a proposal as to what he says is

the proper meaning.

My learned friend, the Solicitor-General for Victoria, quite wisely disengaged himself from seeking to put any postulation to the Court

meaning of excise" but notwithstanding the at this sta8e as to what would be a general

wisdom of that approach, it does seem to us

that Mr Doyle having, as it were, put his foot
in the waters of that sea or in the lake, it

is appropriate for us to hand to the Court now,

as part of our submission, what are our contentions in respect of the meaning of 11 excise 11 to indicate
that there is an answer in cases to the meaning
of "excise" which we desire to put in the event
that that were reopened for reconsideration
by this Court. And if I could hand the Court
our contentions as to that.

These contentions take the broad issue that

excise should be regarded as an impost on goods,
whether imported or whether produced within
the Commonwealth, whether on their production,
manufacture, distri~ution, sale or consumption.

So that our general_ submission would be the
measure of what is an impost is whether it is
an impost on goods. If it is on goods, on the
act of importation or exportation it is a customs
duty, if it is otherwise on goods, in our submission,
it would be an excise. And our submission
is that without seeking in an unqualified way
to say that that is the ultimate truth which
lies concealed in the phrase as it was referred
to by Justice Stephen in DICKENSON at page 231,
there awaiting recognition by the judicial fossicker;
whether it is the sort of meaning that
Your Honour Justice Dawson referred to at
page 411 in the GOSFORD MEATS case, in our
of 11 excise 11 which does meet its constitutional submission, it is possible to articulate a meaning
purpose which applies a broad meaning in answer
to the narrow meaning which my learned friend,
Mr Doyle, postulates.
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Having said that, in our submission, DENNIS

HOTELS deals only with the negative, it does not deal with the positive. It says nothing about the bounds of the ambit of excise and

it says nothing about issues of definition which

the Court has to face in situations which are

not embraced by the DENNIS HOTELS principle

of impost by reference to sales of prior period

Although in our contentions we have foreshadowed

what our approach is to that issue, so far as

the present issue before the Court is concerned,

our submission is that it is confined to the

narrow issue of the, as it were, the low watermark

of DENNIS HOTELS.

In our submission, in that case, it 1s

appropriate for the Court, for the reasons which

have been put, not to reopen its consideration

of DENNIS HOTELS. The general issues of definition

can be examined by the Court as may arise in

a particular case by reference to other imposts

not drawn by reference to sales of prior periods

and one can see from the contrast of our contentions

with those of the Solicitor-General for South of approach as to definition of excise" in Australia what might be the two 8eneral lines

that context.

So having referred to our contention in that light, perhaps we should say, in answer to our learned friend, the Solicitor-General

for New South Wales, perhaps he can rely in

some little part on our submission that DENNIS

HOTELS should not be reopened but we would perhaps

cavil and say, "Well not too much". In our

submission, if leave is given to reargue DENNIS

HOTELS, we will submit that the decision is

plainly wrong and should be overruled and if

the Court is to reopen DENNIS HOTELS our submission

is that the Court should limit leave to reconsideration

.of DENNIS HOTELS and not for the moment grant leave as to these broader questions which are
thrown up by my learned friend, the Solicitor-
General for South Australia's contentions or
thrown up by the contentions which we have handed
to the Court.

(Continuing on page 88)

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MASON CJ:  Thank you, Mr Solicitor. Mr Solicitor

for Western Australia.

MR PARKER: 

If it please Your Honours, in view of what has been said so far my submissions can be quite

brief.  It is submitted that it has not been shown
that there is not general acceptance of the
decision in DENNIS HOTELS for the proposition that
a licence fee imposed in respect of wholesale or
retail sales and calculated by reference to past
sales is not the duty of excise. The fact that
the party engaging in such selling by wholesale
or retail is also the manufacturer does not appear
to directly affect the validity of that proposition
and my learned for South Australia has already
referred to the decision in SLEIGH's case with
respect to that.

It has been contended that there is a

significant doubt, particularly in the business

community. In our respectful submission,

especially were leave refused to re argue DENNIS

HOTELS in this case there would be very little

room for doubt in the business community. There
would be very little scope for any serious

confusion in respect of taxes dealing with

wholesale and retail sales_ and they, of course,

form the very, very subs tan t ia 1 proportion of

any existing taxation schemes that could be

affected.

There may be some need to work out more fully

the position of any State franchise scheme that

might deal directly with production. They are

not numerous, they are not significant, and it
may be, I think, seen that the writing is pretty

clearly on the wall with respect to those.

So that, in our respectful submission, there is

not to be seen any great uncertainty in this

area arising from the continued existence of

DENNIS HOTELS understood in the way in which we

believe it is now so understood. If I could turn briefly to matters of

constitutional principle: we would submit that the

course of decisions subsequent to DENNIS HOTELS

including DICKENSON, EVDA NOMINEES and BATH V

ALSTON HOLDINGS has not proceeded on a principle

which is inconsistent with the decision in DENNIS.

It is not, in our submission, a telling

criticism that that decision may draw heavily

on formalism, especially in a context where,

despite some 90 years of struggle to discern

a satisfactory definition of the duty of excise

there has not been obvious success in that

struggle.

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We would underline and put for ourselves

what has already been said about the extent of

reliance on the decision and may I just confirm

the point raised this morning by Your Honour

Justice McHngh that the total in the last

financial year was $13.4 billion raised by the

States, excluding the Northern Territory, that

is assuming that a billion is an American billion

as is the general accepted understanding these davs.

McHUGH J:  That is the total revenue?
MR PARKER:  The total revenue, yes.
McHUGH J:  Yes, but the various taxes I think are only

one-and-a-half billion.

MR PARKER:  Yes. The collections are growing, both as

a matter of growth in the economy, and also

because the one State that had not franchised

tax on tobacco has, since the figures that

Your Honours have, introduced such a tax and

my learned friend for Queensland will no doubt

make particular reference to that in due course.

(Continued on page 90 )

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MR PARK.ER (continuing):  But that will then produce something

that is of some particular significance. Queensland,

with the introduction of that tax would be seen, in
our submission, to fall naturally into what is the
general order of the scale of relevance of these

franchise fees to taxation revenue-raising in that

it will then fit generally into the scale of size

of population of State, it being the position that

the smaller the State, the greater is the reliance

upon franchise fees, because of other matters mentioned

by my learned friend for Victoria, affecting the

alternative taxes available.

If I could look for a moment, then, beyond this.

We would agree with the submissions of my learned friend for South Australia that it is not possible

just to reopen DENNIS. In truth, in our submission,

the dissatisfaction raises fundamental questions

about the meaning of a duty of excise and the purpose

of section 90. If leave were granted to reargue,

our submissions would be substantially those already

outlined by South Australia and we believe, in

answer to a question put a moment ago, that that is

the position that would be adopted by all States.

Western Australia, however, is more impressed

than South Australia with what it sees to be sound objections to the reopening and disturbance of the

presently-established position for the reasons that

have already been canvassed. Given those objections,

Western Australia submits that the preferable course

is not to disturb the present position. May it please
Your Honours .
MASON CJ:  Thank you, Mr Solicitor. Mr Davies.
MR DAVIES:  May it please the Court. May I hand up some

outlines of our submissions?

MASON CJ: Yes.
MR DAVIES:  May it please the Court. Your Honours will have

seen that we have done in. ·our written outline is

taken the four criteria which were considered by

three of the Justices of this Court in COMMONWEALTH V

HOSPITAL CONTRIBUTION FUND and by this Court in

JOHN V COMMISSION OF TAXATION and seen the application

of those to this case. We then dealt with them in
paragraph 3 of our outline. As to the first of them,

whether decision rested on a principle worked out in

a succession of cases, we submit that DENNIS HOTELS

followed MATTHEWS and PARTON, but gave the test in
those cases a more certain operation by reference to
the criterion of liability. We say it was a natural

succession, at least with respect to taxes on sales

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and perhaps we should add, as others have, that,

of course, the later cases are further cases in

that succession. By that, we mean DICKENSON,
SLEIGH and EVDA. Secondly, we submit, with respect,

contrary to submissions which were made earlier that,

in fact, there is no difference between the reasons

of the Justices constituting the minority; that the

majority as to the principle, indeed, there is no difference among the Justices as to the principle

except in respect to Justice Fullagar. The difference

between them lies only in the application of that
principle to the facts of that case and we give

Your Honours the page references which demonstrate

that.

Thirdly, we say it has achieved a useful result

and that is, the result of certainty, again in the
area of taxes upon sales and allows the States to
order their affairs accordingly. Fourthly, we have

made the submission that, in fact, they have been

independently acted upon and that submission has

been made and elaborated upon earlier. We do not

wish to say anything about that except with respect

to two matters mentioned in subparagraph (iv) of

paragraph 3 of our outline. The first is a matter
of fact. As our learned friend, the Solicitor-General

for Western Australia, mentioned, the facts are slightly different from those which are set out in paragraphs 27 and 28 of the stated case because

of the changed situation in Queensland. That is set

out in an affidavit of Mr Hall. Could I hand up to
Your Honours some copies of that?
MASON CJ:  Yes.

(Continued on page 92)

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MR DAVIES:  ~t brings into·account, Your Hono~rs,

the revenue from the 1988 TOBACCO PRODUCTS

LICENSING ACT, estimated revenue, and Your Honours

will see that it is estimated to be $45 million

for the remaining portion of 1988/89 and

$100 million from a full year operation of the scheme.

The only other matter to which we refer in that

last subparagraph, Your Honours, which we perhaps
should mention - we do not say it is a major factor

but it is perhaps something that should be borne in

mind - and that is the enactment of the STATE GRANTS

(GENERAL REVENUE)ACT 1988. Could I hand up some copies

of that Act to Your Honours - I do not want to take

Your Honours to it now. But the effect of it is that

by section 7 the Commonwealth has imposed global

borrowing limits on the States and, if in the opinion

of the Treasurer, a State has exceeded its global

borrowing limit, the Treasurer may reduce payment to

the State under the Act by an amount equal to that

which the Treasurer determines is the amount of the

excess. Of course, the States have traditionally

financed capital works by borrowing; this limit will

have the effect of the States having to call on their

revenue resources more than they have previously.

MASON CJ:  It is an entirely irrelevant question, but how is

it that Victoria has a higher borrowing limit than

New South Wales?

MR DAVIES:  I do not know the answer to that question, Your Honour:
MASON CJ:  That is because you are a Queensland - -
MR BERK.ELEY:_  I am an expensive Solic~to~~General.
MR DAVIES:  I should have known. Your Honours, the only other

matter I should mention is, like our learned friends
the Solicitor-Generals for the other States, if the
question is to be reopened we submit, with respect,

that the whole question srould be reopened not simply

the correctness of DENNIS HOTELS. They are our submission:
MASON CJ:  Thank you, Mr Davies. Yes, Mr Charles?
MR CHARLES: 

. May it . · please the Court, some very short

matters in reply. Firstly, may I respectfully remind
the Court that the third case, HARPER, does not

require reconsideration of DENNIS HOTELS on any view.
My learned friend, the Tasmanian Solicitor-General, said
that he was not going to argue it in any event. But
may I remind the Court that my learned friend the
Victorian Solicitor has said that one cannot distinguish
in relation to his legislation, as I follow it, the
position of a producer. It will, therefore, presumably
be argued for Victoria that the fact that the first
plaintiff is a producer does not prevent the tax from
being levied against it, notwithstanding what has been
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said in earlier cases. The point we are simply
seeking to make, Your Honours, is this. The States

have made it plain that they rely very substantially

on the excise levies for a large part of their revenue.

These matters are not static. The Court will have

seen from the case stated that one has a substantial

body of revenue being raised for Victoria of the

order of $112 million, in New South Wales, something

like $170 million - obviously people smoke more in

New South Wales.

One question, Your Honours, that must obviously

arise in the near future is whether people will continue

to be allowed to smoke in the light of possible risks
to health. In relation to petroleum, the rate at

which one is using petroleum - how much longer will

that survive? How long will it be before we exist

with electric cars? Now, the only short point I am

seeking to make, Your Honours, is that it may seem

fanciful at this stage to suggest that one will not

have tobacco and petroleum into the far future as

available sources of revenue; the States will be

searching for other means to raise the same revenue .

or the larger amounts of revenue they are going to want
in those years to come.

If I can pursue that, Your Honours, what that means in relation to Your Honour Justice Brennan's question of DENNIS HOTELS as an island. We would

submit that that island can only continue toexist if this Court props it up. We would submit, with

respect, that it has an inherent potential to silt up

or worse, like Krakatoa for volcanic eruption.

We would submit that in the light of the submission

made by the Solicitor-General for New South Wales,

DENNIS HOTELS is an exception to an uncertain rule

that simply demonstrates that the States will seek as

far as they can to extend the operation of that

exception. We would submit it is already clearly inconsistent

with the decisions in cases both before and after it

and that is going to leave this Court with the very

uncertain position and those who are forced to comply

with the law, with the very uncertain position, of

what happens when the States seek to apply an

extension of DENNIS HOTELS as the legislation in

Tasmania in HARPER's case might well be thought to have

been, what then is the Court going to do faced with

that exten·sion; what is the Court going to do when
faced with the question of the producer in relation to

the tobacco legislation in PHILIP MORRIS.

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MR CHARLES (continuing):  Your Honours, the cases that

are now before this Court squarely raise at

least three questions. The first of them is:

does DENNIS HOTELS extend to persons who are

producers? The second is: if "Yes", then

what is the position of producers or production

when taxed on sales,rather than merely in the

case of a tax relating to licences to sell?

Thirdly: if DENNIS HOTELS does not extend to

permit taxes of this kind, then is that an

appropriate or satisfactory distinction to

make? Fourthly, we would say, should DENNIS HOTELS

and its supposed logical extension in those cases

which have applied it, be overturned on the

ground that they are incompatible with the

purpose and intent underlying section 90 of the

CONSTITUTION?

Your Honours, the Solicitor-General for

South Australia, in dealing with the line at

which DENNIS. HOTELS is drawn, suggested that one

should not change that line unless one could

see that a different line was compellingly the

right answer. In relation to the threshold

question which Your Honour Justice Deane raised,

the EVDA NOMINEES question, we would say this,
the course of argument has demonstrated, Your Honours,

the impossibility for the Court to answer these
questions now before it, the question whether

DENNIS HOTELS should be reopened, until the Court has heard full and complete argument both for

and against these questions. Your Honour

Justice Dawson put to me that it is a question of

drawing lines; one has a line and one should stick

to it. We would say, with the very greatest of

respect, one cannot tell whether that is an

appropriate line until one has seen precisely what

the alternative to it is. If one can see that

there is another alternative line, say, for

example, that put forward by the Solicitor-General

for the Commonwealth, then the Court would be in

a position, having heard argument upon those

points, to say whether a line drawn in that

fashion would be both a more appropriate compliance

with the original constitutional guarantee,

whether it would provide certainty to those who

are both legislating and forced to comply with

legislation. We would say, Your Honours, that

it is really impossible to decide

whether or not DENNIS HOTELS is now ripe to

be overturned unless one has heard full and

complete argument on those questions.

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BRENNAN J:  So the real question is whether all the cases

that have been decided on section 90 should be

re-examined?

MR CHARLES:  Yes, indeed, Your Honour. Much has been

made in argument, Your Honours, of the difficulties

that the States face. We would say that there

offered by DENNIS HOTELS and have pushed that eKceptiontotbeuncertainrule, as it was said, to

really is much to be said for the view that the

the very limit and they will no ~oobt seek to push

it further. Now, Your Honours, in those

circumstances, if the ultimate truth is that

DENNIS HOTELS was clearly wrong, as the

Solicitor-General for the Commonwealth may

well argue, if this Court permits to happen, then what has happened for the last 29 years

is that the States have been levying taxes which

they were simply not entitled to do.

If that be so, there is a perfectly simple

remedy for the future. The constitutional

provision would presumably then be that those taxes,

if they are to be levied by anyone, would be levied

by the Commonwealth, and if the Commonwealth were

to take the view that the levying of those taxes

was consistent with its Commonwealth federal

policy, then no doubt taxes of that kind can be

collected on behalf of the States by the

Commonwealth. No doubt, for those who are forced

to comply with the law the administration from the

viewpoint of a person in the p0sition of the

plaintiffs will be six times less expensive

through having to deal with one overall taxing
agency rather than six or seven.

Your Honours, the final point we would seek to make is simply this, that the Court has before

it plaintiffs who wish to argue that DENNIS HOTELS

was wrongly decided. If the Court permits that
question to be argued, then it has also before it

presumably those who would seek to argue the widest possible definition of excise and the narrowest possible definition of excise. We

would respectfully submit the Court could not have

a better vehicle for a full discussion and

an exposition by the Court of the proper meaning

of section 90. If the Court pleases.

.

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MASON CJ: Mr Charles, can I ask you this question: on

the assumption, and it is only an assumption

at the moment, that this question is resolved

against you, what would then be the outstanding

issues in the two cases in which you appear

for the plaintiff?

MR CHARLES:  In the first case, Your Honour, we would

seek to argue that DENNIS HOTELS should have

a narrow application that, accordingly, at least

in so far as the first plaintiff is concerned,

that it would follow that the tax was an excise.

That would then mean the Court would be faced

with the question of whether a consequence such

as CHAMBERLAIN INDUSTRIES indicated should apply,

which is that the tax cannot be valid in one

situation and not valid in the other. The question

would therefore arise for the Court in the light

of the fact that the first plaintiff is a producer,
of whether this is now a case within or without

the DENNIS HOTELS'exception to the uncertain

rule. And we would put that argument, Your Honours,

on the basis that it is the narrow view of DENNIS

HOTELS that should apply.

In relation to the third case, Your Honours,

that is HARPER, we would be arguing that as

we have heard DENNIS HOTELS does not apply and

therefore we would say that the matter is then

open and shut, the question is clearly one of

excise. If the Court pleases.

MASON CJ:  Mr Jackson.
MR JACKSON:  Your Honours, may I say three things in addition

to those said by my learned friend, Mr Charles.

The first is that the new Queensland Act which

my learned friend, Mr Davies, has referred makes,

to a degree, the point which we sought to make

earlier, namely, the low watermark, if I could

use that expression, is expanding outwards -

the island looks a bit like Lake George at the

moment.

Your Honours, the second point is this:

reference has been made to a line - and perhaps

I should have said earlier that what we submit, of course, is that the line should not be there

at all in the present case.

The third thing is, Your Honours, that there

is not, in our submission, any particular reason
why the whole question of section 90 should

be reopened. However, if to do so supports

the contention that the DENNIS HOTELS' line of cases should be reopened then we support

that contention also.

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MR JACKSON (continuing): Your Honours, the short fact, in

our submission, is that the DENNIS HOTELS cases
simply turn on the question whether the backdating

device gives rise to something that is or is not

a duty of excise - and that is a narrow point.

Your Honours, perhaps I should answer the

question that Your Honour the Chief Justice put

also to my learned friend. We would be left,

as I intimated earlier, with a very narrow issue
on the question of excise and that is whether
the proximity of the period in relation to which
the tax is calculated to the period in respect
of which - that is the extent to which there is
a backdating is a backdating which is sufficient
to bring it within the rule in DENNIS HOTELS.

There are other issues in the case not presently before the Court.

MASON CJ:  Thank you, Mr Jackson. The Court will consider

this question overnight.

AT 3.51 PM THE MATTER WAS ADJOURNED

UNTIL WEDNESDAY, 8 MARCH 1989

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