Jiminez v The Queen

Case

[1992] HCATrans 35

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IN THE HIGH COURT OF AUSTRALIA

Office of the Registry

Sydney No S45 of 1991

B e t w e e n -

MICHAEL JIMINEZ

Applicant

and

THE QUEEN

Respondent

Application for special leave

to appeal

MASON CJ
BRENNAN J
DEANE J

DAWSON J

TOOHEY J

GAUDRON J

MCHUGH J

TRANSCRIPT OF PROCEEDINGS

AT CANBERRA ON WEDNESDAY, 5 FEBRUARY 1992, AT 11.37 AM

Copyright in the High Court of Australia

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MR P.J. HIDDEN, QC:  May it please the Court, I appear with

my learned friend, MR K.O. EARL, for the applicant.

(instructed by Baker & Edmunds)

R.N. HOWIE, QC: If it please the Court, I appear with my

learned friend, MR M. LATHAM, for the respondent

Crown. (instructed by the Director of Public

Prosections (New South Wales))

MASON CJ:  Mr Hidden?
MR HIDDEN:  Your Honours, this is an application for special

leave to appeal against the decision of the Court of Criminal Appeal of New South Wales, dismissing the applicant's appeal to that court from his

conviction and sentence in the district court upon

a charge of culpable driving. Might we hand to

Your Honours an outline of argument.

MASON CJ: Yes, Mr Hidden.

MR HIDDEN:  If the Court please. Your Honours, culpable

driving is an offence created by section 52A of the

New South Wales Crimes Act. The allegation, in

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this trial, was that on 14 June 1988 at about 6 am

at a spot in the Pacific Highway about

30 kilometers north of Kempsey, the applicant drove

his vehicle in a manner dangerous to the public, as

a result of which he came into impact with a tree,

as a result of which a female passenger was killed.

Your Honours, the facts shortly were these:

the applicant the previous day apparently had been

at the Gold Coast in Queensland. Prior to 11.00 pm

on that day he had had about four hours sleep and

had had a meal. He left the Gold Coast in the

vehicle with his three companions at about that

time and for about the first 400 kilometres of the

journey south one of his female companions, in fact

the lady who was killed, drove. During that time

he slept in the car as, it seems, did the other

passengers. At around Coffs Harbour he took over

the wheel himself and drove, it seems, something of

the order of 200 kilometres to the spot where the

.accident occurred. During that time, it seems, the

female passengers themselves were asleep. At the
relevant time there was fog and the road was

winding. At the point in question he approached a

right-hand curve which the vehicle failed to

negotiate. It ran off the road, it struck one tree

and then came to rest against another.

Now, Your Honours, the history leading to the accidents and the course of driving involved in it

was evidenced almost entirely by conversations

between the applicant himself and the police and

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they were the foundation of the Crown case. To

Constable Senz, who first arrived at the scene -

this is at page 7 of the application book,

Your Honours - asked what happened:

He said, "I went to sleep".

This is just above line 15, Your Honours. Asked

where he had come from:

He said, "We left Brisbane last night".

It seems from other evidence in the case,

Your Honours, that it was the Gold Coast and that is where he insisted he had come from.

Subsequently at the hospital to which the lady

was taken he was asked by Sergeant Brennan -

this appears at page 21 of the book,

Your Honours, just at about line 12 - asked

what had happened. He said:
Janelle -

being the lady who died -

drove from the gold Coast. She drove for
about 400 kms. I took over driving about
Coffs Harbour somewhere. I think I was

travelling around a right hand curve and on to

a straight section of road. I think I was
travelling 80 to 100 kph. I think I must have
gone to sleep. I woke up and the car was out
of control to the left side of the road. I

tried to control the car but I think I hit a

tree.

Now, Your Honours, later the applicant was

interviewed formally by Sergeant Cornes, and indeed

a record of the interview was made, but was not in

evidence before the jury, for various reasons, ··

partly because it was unsigned and partly, I

gather, because it had some material in it which

His Honour felt would be excised.

The reading of the record of interview to the

jury appears in the book, Your Honours, at pages 18

to 20. The significant parts of it, Your Honours,

are these: page 18 at line 50 he was asked:

Q. How did the collision occur? A. I really

don't know. Before the accident there was a

lot of fogs in the road, I lost control of

car.

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I should interpolate, Your Honours, the applicant

is Argentinian and his English apparently was not

fluent. He went on:

Everybody was asleep, the three girls and then

it happened. It was just for a second. I

lost control when I fell asleep. I'm not sure

what happened. Q. What is the last thing you

remember before losing control? A. I was in

the road the last thing I remember. Before

the accident I was going down a hill. The

road goes around to the right and then I lost

control of the car. I hit the tree.

Again he said his speed was between 80 and 90

kilometres per hour. He went on, Your Honours, to

describe his efforts to correct the action of the

vehicle which he said were unsuccessful. At

line 25 he was asked:

Q. In answer to Q 29 you said in part, I lost

control when I fell asleep, were you feeling

.,. tired prior to the collision? A. I don't know
what happened, I was driving, I was thinking
about stopping in the next town. The heater
was on.

Asked how much sleep he had, he said:

About 5.00 o'clock in the afternoon I went to

bed for four hours -

and then went on to describe the course of sleep

which we have already mentioned, Your Honours.

DEANE J:  How long would that have been do you understand?

MR HIDDEN: In the car, Your Honours? If it were

400 kilometres it would have to have been, one

would have thought, at least four hours, something

of that order. I do not know whether there was
specific evidence as to the length of time of sleep

in the car.

McHUGH J: They set out on the journey at 11 pm.

MR HIDDEN:  Yes. Your Honours, my learned junior assures

me - I cannot quite find the reference - that there
was evidence that on his account he took over the

driving at about 3 to 3.30 am.

DEANE J:  So it would be about four hours.
MR HIDDEN:  Yes, Your Honour. Indeed, it is at page 18 of
the book at line 50. Your Honours, in his

statement to the jury in the trial which appears at

page 22 of the application book, the applicant

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maintained much the same account. At line 9 he

said:

When I take over the car, when I look over the

car sorry, it was about 3.30 am. I was
feeling fine. I had already sleep before we

left the Gold Coast because at about 5.00 pm I

went to bed for four hours. Then I had
something to eat and we left.
He described the windy road. He said:

I had lights and demisters because of the fogs and the darks.

He said at line 18:

I was going to stop at the next main town for breakfast because it was nearly breakfast time

for us. I was going to drive another two

hundred kilometres before Janelle would take

over again. I didn't feel like sleeping at
all. Suddenly my car was off the road. I

think I must have closed my eyes for a second.

When I opened my eyes the car was off the road

and I lost control.

Your Honours, the only other matter in the

evidence apart from the applicant's conversations

with the police was evidence from a Salvation Army chaplain, Mr Watson, who had attended the scene of the accident and indeed, it would seem, spent some

time counselling and comforting the applicant

himself. Subsequently the applicant returned to

his home where the applicant slept for about three

or four hours. Your Honours, that basically was

the evidence in the trial.

In the summing up at pages 28 to 29 of the

application book, His Honour gave the jury the

usual directions upon driving in a manner

dangerous, drawn directly from the decision of the

former Chief Justice Sir Garfield Barwick in

McBride, a case to which we will turn in a moment,

but beyond that, gave no further guidance as to the
law applicable to the case at hand.

His Honour then later, at pages 34 to 37 of the application book, summarized the submissions of

counsel. It is clear that the primary submission
of counsel for the applicant at the trial was that

the applicant had no warning that sleep might come

upon him. It seems that that was the primary

factual submission made to the jury and put to the

jury by His Honour in the course of summing up.

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DAWSON J:  What was the real allegation as to what

constituted the offence? Was it the condition of

the accused? Was it the movement of the car which

he allowed to take place, in which case you would wonder was he voluntarily doing that at the time?

MR HIDDEN:· Yes. Your Honours, that is, with respect, a

little unclear. What is clear from the evidence,

of course, is that there was no evidence of his

being under the influence of alcohol or driving at

any excessive speed. Indeed, there was no evidence

before the jury of any erratic or dangerous driving

prior to the vehicle running off the road.

In answer to Your Honour Mr Justice Dawson's

question, we can only take Your Honours to that

part of the summing up which dealt with the Crown's

submissions to the jury. That commences at page 34

of the application book. At line 9 His Honour

said:

The issue is, was his manner of driving when

.,, his car left the road dangerous to the public?
The Crown say to you that it seems clear he became tired, he closed his eyes and the car
left the road.

His Honour went on to refer to the applicant's conversations with the police, and in particular at

line 20 the significant answer which appears at the

bottom of page 18 of the application book

concerning:

Everyone was asleep, the three girls and then

it happened.

DEANE J: What page is this, Mr Hidden?

MR HIDDEN:  I am sorry, Your Honours, this is at page 35, I
should say. I have misled Your Honours as to the
page number. It is page 35 of the application

book. His Honour referred to the conversations

with the police, and indeed in another context we

will return to this passage, but at line 20 His

Honour says:

The Crown reminded you that his answer was -

that is, asked how the collision occurred -

"I really don't know. Before the accident

there was a lot of fogs in the road. I lost

control of the car. Everyone was asleep, the

three girls and then it happened. I was just

for a second, I lost control when I fell

asleep again -

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the word was in fact not said by the applicant

I'm not sure what happened." That answer to

the sergeant the Crown ask you to reflect upon

and to evaluate and to attribute to it such

importance as you see fit.

DAWSON J: 

He seems to be suggesting there that it was the driving before he fell asleep which was the

relevant driving, at which stage it might have been
impeccable, even though his condition was - - -
MR HIDDEN:  I suppose it boils down to this, Your Honours:

I should refer Your Honours also to page 34 of the

application book where the Crown submissions were

begun to be put. Indeed, at line 20:

The Crown say that it is for you to assess the

Accused's driving of the BMW car when it left

the road and hit a tree.

DAWSON J: That is only referring to driving after - - -

MR HIDDEN:  Yes.

TOOHEY J: But is not the complaint one of driving without

proper control over the vehicle?

MR HIDDEN:  The complaint is driving in a manner dangerous

to the public which, in our submission, means

consciously driving in the sense of driving by

virtue of a voluntary act in such a way as to fall seriously below the standards of a prudent driver.

DEANE J: Must not the case, at its highest, against you be

at page 35, lines 11 and 12? That is:

The Crown says to you that it seems clear he became tired -

being tired -

he closed his eyes -
and continued to drive. I am not saying that is

open but that is surely the crux of the case

against you, at the highest?

MR HIDDEN: That is correct, Your Honour, although, of

course, that sentence can be read another way and,

indeed, I must confess I, myself, had read it in

this way, that is that:

he became tired, he closed his eyes -

that is simultaneously -

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and the car left the road.

It does seem, Your Honours, that - - -

DAWSON J:  If you put it that way, the dangerous driving was

driving a car with his eyes closed.

MR HIDDEN: Yes, if that is what the Crown is submitting>

But as we apprehend the law, Your Honours, if he is

driving his car with his eyes closed because he is

asleep, he is not driving the car.

DAWSON J: It is not a voluntary act.

MR HIDDEN: Precisely. It does seem, Your Honours, as the

Crown's submissions are summarized in the

application book, if the summary of the Crown

submissions is fair, the Crown does not seem to

have grappled with the question of warning of

impending sleep. The defence, on the other hand,

did and it is clear from His Honour's summary of

the defence submission that that was their prime

assumption, that the applicant had, on the

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evidence, no warning of impending sleep. It was in
that manner that the defence case was put to the

jury.

But we do, indeed, say, Your Honours, that in

this case the course of driving which was said to

be the driving in a manner dangerous was never

satisfactorily identified, as a matter of fact, let

alone the applicable law being applied - being

expressed by His Honour, that course of driving

having been identified.

TOOHEY J:  In a sense it was, Mr Hidden. I mean, if you put

to one side the question of falling asleep for a

moment, you have somebody who drives a car that

simply for no explained reason goes off the road

and hits a tree. That might be enough under

ordinary circumstances to demonstrate that someone

was driving in a manner dangerous to the public.

Now, there is evidence here that the man fell

asleep momentarily. What impact does that have on

what might otherwise be a fairly straight-forward

case?

MR HIDDEN:  Your Honour, we would submit that if that is the

state of the evidence, then it is a nice point

whether that gets the case to the jury. It may, in
the sense that it is a prima facie case, but it

could never be sufficient to found a conviction

because there must be proved, to found a conviction

on this basis, that the driver knew or ought to

have known that he might fall asleep; or, perhaps

putting it preferably, that the driver had warning

of the danger of impending sleep.

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DAWSON J: If you are put it that way, then you are saying

that the dangerous driving is the condition of the

accused?

MR HIDDEN:  Yes.

DAWSON J: Well, that cannot be right, can it? You need not

bother about driving under the influence or

anything. You just charge everyone with dangerous
driving.
MR HIDDEN:  Your Honour, as we understand the law as it was

stated by the Court of Criminal Appeal in South

Australia in Kroon, a case to which we will turn,

the dangerous driving would be driving, either

knowing that you might fall asleep or in

circumstances where you ought to know that you

might fall asleep.

DAWSON J: At the moment I do not understand that. If you

driving impeccably you are not driving dangerously

even though there is a danger that you might, at a

given moment, cease to drive impeccably.

MR HIDDEN:  Yes. We understand what Your Honour says and

must confess we had not come here prepared to

extend the argument that far.

McHUGH J:  I have a more fundamental difficulty. I have

some difficulty in understanding what sleep has got
to do with this case, because the section in terms

require the manner of driving be dangerous at the

time of the impact. At the time of the impact your

client was awake.

MR HIDDEN: Yes, that is so, Your Honour.

McHUGH J: Is not the relevant point that one has to

determine whether he was driving in a manner
dangerous at the time of impact and he is in a

vehicle that is careering off the highway; he is

awake and in control of it.

MR HIDDEN: 

We would submit, the only inference to be drawn, Your Honours, is that at that time he is awake but

not in control of it. Now, Your Honours, we - - -

McHUGH J: But that constitutes the dangerous driving, does

it not, that he is not in control of the vehicle?

MR HIDDEN:  Yes. Your Honours, we would accept that if -
indeed it seems clear from authority. Even if a

vehicle is beyond the driver's control at the time

of impact, if that is the direct result of and
virtually contemporaneous with a conscious course

of dangerous driving, it is no defence to say,

"Well, when I actually hit the tree I could not

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control the thing", but if prior to the vehicle

leaving the road there is no dangerous driving, and

if the vehicle leaves the road only because sleep
has overcome the driver, and if the driver then
wakes and the vehicle is beyond his control then

there is not dangerous driving at any stage, in our

submission.

TOOHEY J:  You seem to be using the sleep factor in one of

two ways, or both ways, I think, Mr Hidden, and

that is not to say it may not be legitimate, but

one is to say that somehow awareness of the

likelihood of falling asleep bears upon whether the

person was driving dangerously, the other is to say

that by falling asleep or having fallen asleep what

happens thereafter is involuntary?

MR HIDDEN:  Yes.

TOOHEY J: Which is not the same thing by any means?

MR HIDDEN: Your Honour, precisely. If Dennis v Watt in New
,, South Wales and Kroon in South Australia be
accepted as the applicable law, then driving in
circumstances where you know you might fall asleep
or you should know you might, may incur criminal
liability. Whether it incurs criminal liability
for negligent driving or driving in a manner
dangerous depends on the circumstances.

If an accident results from the vehicle

running out of control after you have gone to sleep, then it is open to a jury to link that

accident with the course of driving when you were

conscious and characterize the course of driving

when you were conscious as dangerous because of

your knowledge, actual or imputed, of the danger of going to sleep. But, on any view of it, the course

of driving once you have gone to sleep cannot, of

itself, be dangerous driving attracting criminal

liability, of itself, because it is not voluntary.

TOOHEY J: Yes, I think I see that.
MR HIDDEN: Yes.
DAWSON J:  On the other hand, if he closed his eyes

intentionally and continued to drive, that would be

driving in a manner dangerous.

MR HIDDEN: Well, it may be, Your Honour, again, depending

on the circumstances. It may, in other

circumstances, be negligent driving only. It

depends rather on where you are. But yes, it may

be behaviour which ought attract criminal liability

of one sort or another. One of the other

difficulties in this case, Your Honours, in our

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submission, which was perhaps not expressly argued

in the Court of Criminal Appeal, was that - this

was a case where, in our submission, the jury had

to be carefully directed as to the varying degrees

of carelessness requisite to negligent driving, on

the one hand, and driving in a manner dangerous on

t1le other, and that was never done.

BRENNAN J:  Why do you say that had to be done?

MR HIDDEN: Well, His Honour in fact did not do so and we

would submit that this is - indeed, it may be,

Your Honours, that in every case of culpable

driving that distinction ought be made but we would

submit it certainly should in a case like this.

BRENNAN J:  Why? Why does the judge have to refer to

negligence at all in a case of culpable driving?

MR HIDDEN: 

Your Honours, because juries have, or lay people have, by and large, an amorphous, unparticularized

sense of careless or dangerous driving. The law,
however, graduates offences quite specifically
according to the degree or carelessness involved.
BRENNAN J:  Is that right? I thought the whole thrust of

Coventry's case was that carelessness was not a

relevant consideration; that it was an objective

standard that was applied.

MR HIDDEN: Yes, Your Honour. It is not a defence.

BRENNAN J: 

No, it has nothing to do with the elements of the offence.

You do not have to prove negligence.

MR HIDDEN: With respect, Your Honour, we would submit you

do, that driving in a manner dangerous is - - -

BRENNAN J:  What is the authority for saying that you have

to prove negligence in a culpable driving case?

MR HIDDEN: Primarily, Your Honours, Reg v Buttsworth, a

decision of the Court of Criminal Appeal of New

South Wales in which the leading judgment was given

by Mr Justice O'Brien.

Your Honours, Buttsworth is reported in (1983)

1 NSWLR 658. It is sufficient to turn to

His Honour's judgment, commencing at page 664.

Your Honours it is a lengthy judgment, and it is

probably not helpful to take Your Honours to it in

detail. Basically, what His Honour does is to look

at the history of the development of criminal
offences based on negligence. His Honour points
out that at common law the only crime based on
negligence was manslaughter, that is, death by

criminal negligence, which has long been recognized

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at common law, but the onset of motor vehicles and

traffic on the roads brought the intervention of

the criminal law more into the area of negligence,

and there came into existence, in due course, a

graduated series of offences. One was negligent

driving simpliciter; the next was driving in a

manner dangerous, and indeed the New South Wales

Traffic Act, formerly the Motor Traffic Act, still has those summary offences of negligent driving on

the one hand, and driving in a manner dangerous on

the other.

There was always motor car manslaughter, but

as His Honour records the history, and as it is

well known, there was a reluctance of juries to

convict of that serious crime where death was

caused by dangerous driving, and it was for that
in 1951, I think. But section 52A picked

reason that section 52A was inserted into the driving

up the expression "driving in a manner dangerous"

which was an expression existing in the law as a

., summary offence and had always been a summary
offence more serious than negligent driving. these escalating series of offences from negligent driving to manslaughter is the degree of negligence involved. They are all about negligence. Driving
in a manner dangerous means a degree of negligence
so serious as to be really dangerous to the public.
BRENNAN J: I must confess I find that at odds with the
language of the section. Why is it that if you see

a car being driven in a manner which is dangerous

to the public that you have not thereby established

what might be regarded as the external elements of

the offence, leaving it to questions of
voluntariness or accident, for the carving out of

questions of criminal responsibility?

MR HIDDEN:  Your Honour, because there is also a line of
manner dangerous when charged as a criminal offence authority which establishes that the - driving in a is not an absolute offence in the sense that all
that needed to be proved is that the vehicle, in
fact, behaved in a way which was dangerous to the
public. What needs to be proved is personal fault
on the part of the driver in the sense of a
voluntary act which falls below the standards of
prudence to be expected of a normal competent
adequately experienced driver.
BRENNAN J:  Why is it not a question simply of whether or

not the driver, by his actions or omissions, caused
the car to behave in a particular fashion which is

appropriately described as being dangerous?

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MR HIDDEN: Well, Your Honours, to answer that we can refer

only to authority.

BRENNAN J: And this is the authority, Buttsworth?

MR HIDDEN:  This is the one on which we primarily rely,

Your Honours, yes. Although it is not the only

one. Perhaps if we can take Your Honours to some

portions of it. At page 672 Mr Justice O'Brien had
been considering the judgment of the House of Lords

in Andrews v Director of Public Prosecutions, a

manslaughter case, and having quoted a passage from

the judgment of Lord Atkin, His Honour said, just

under letter F:

It is, I think, plain from this passage in the

speech of Lord Atkin that he draws a

distinction between driving negligently,

driving in a manner dangerous to the public

and driving of a kind which justifies a

conviction for manslaughter as essentially a

distinction in the degree of negligence

.,, appropriate to the offence, a distinction in
the degree of department from the standard of
care for other users of the road to be
expected of the ordinary prudent driver in the
circumstances.

If we can take Your Honours back to the

decision of this Court in McBride v The Queen,
(1965-1966) 115 CLR 44, and that was a decision

dealing with the very section with which we are

dealing in this application, Your Honour. The

classic statement which is commonly used as a

direction to juries, Your Honours, commences

towards the bottom of page 49. His Honour said:

The section speaks of a speed or manner

which is dangerous to the public. This
imports a quality in the speed or manner of

driving which either intrinsically in all

circumstances, or because of the particular

circumstances surrounding the driving, is in a
real sense potentially dangerous to a human

being or human beings who as a member or as members of the public may be upon or in the

vicinity of the roadway on which the driving

is taking place.

A little later His Honour said:

This quality of being dangerous to the

public in the speed or manner of driving does

not depend upon resultant damage, though to

complete the offence under the section, impact

causing damage must occur during that driving. Whilst the immediate result of the driving may

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afford evidence from which the quality of the

driving may be inferred, it is not that result

which gives it that quality. A person may

drive at a speed or in a manner dangerous to

the public without causing any actual injury:

it is the potentiality in fact of danger to

the public in the manner of driving, whether

realized by the accused or not, which makes it

dangerous to the public within the meaning of

the section.

Then the Chief Justice went on:

This concept is in sharp contrast to the concept of negligence. The concept with which

the section deals requires some serious breach

of the proper conduct of a vehicle upon the

highway, so serious as to be in reality and

not speculatively, potentially dangerous to

others. This does not involve a mere breach

of duty however grave, to a particular person,

having significance only if damage is caused

,,, thereby.

At page 51, at about point - - -

BRENNAN J:  It is difficult to see how Mr Justice O'Brien

was able to say that the concept was a

misunderstanding of what Sir Garfield has said in

the light of the passage that you have just read.

MR HIDDEN:  Your Honour, that is - before parting with

McBride, Your Honours, I should take Your Honours

to page 51 at about point 6, where His Honour said:

But where it is the manner of driving, an

expression which can cover a wide and diverse

set of facts, it is not enough that the

vehicle as driven by the accused has caused

death or injury and the accused was negligent,

even in some glaring respect. It is essential

to define what is charged as the manner of

driving, so that when that has been found, the

two succeeding questions can be dealt with,

namely, was that manner of driving in itself

or in its circumstances dangerous to the

public and, did the impact which caused the

death or injury occur whilst the vehicle was

being so driven.

Your Honours, if I can take Your Honours back

to Buttsworth, at page 681 Mr Justice O'Brien

quoted that particular passage from McBride at

page SO, that is:

This concept is in sharp -

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MASON CJ:  What page is this in Buttsworth?
MR HIDDEN:  I am sorry, Your Honours, this is in Buttsworth

at 681. Having referred to the passage from the

judgment of Sir Garfield Barwick referring to the concept being in sharp contrast to the concept of

rregligence, His Honour went on:

His Honour is not there saying that it is

improper to distinguish between the offences

of negligent driving, culpable driving and

manslaughter by the degrees of neglect which

they exhibit for the safety of the public,
being the other users or likely users of the
road. He is saying that the trial of any of
these offences must not be converted into the

trial of a civil issue of negligence as

between the driver and the injured party as

can in some circumstances readily occur. The

elements which each specify as the degree of

negligence in driving which is required to be
proved must be explicitly defined in the
ascending order of gravity which these
offences represent.

Your Honours, recently the Court of Criminal Appeal of South Australia dealt with the question of culpable driving in a case of Reg v Kamleh,

(1990) 51 A Crim R 435. The Chief Justice,

Mr Justice King, after referring to South

Australian authority at 436, and referring to the decision of this Court in Giorgianni, said at the

bottom of the page:

The question is not whether the accused intended to drive, or appreciated that he was

driving, in a manner dangerous to the public

but whether, in the judgment of the jury, a

reasonable person in the situation of the

driver would have appreciated that he was

driving in a manner dangerous to the public. The crime is committed by the act of

driving in a manner which any reasonable

person in the situation of the driver would

recognise as dangerous in the sense that it

involves a risk of injury to others which

exceeds the ordinary risks of the road and

a.mounts to a real danger to the public.

Ordinary risks of the road include those

arising from the sort of faulty driving and

lack of care which must be expected, due to

human frailty, from time to time, from the

ordinary driver. The sort of driving which

constitutes this crime is more serious than

that. It is driving which a reasonable person

in the situation of the driver would

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understand to be such as would give rise to a

serious risk of injury to members of the

public going beyond the ordinary risks of the

road. It is driving which is therefore fit to

be regarded as a serious crime. If the

driving, although negligent, does not go

beyond what might fairly be regarded as an

ordinary risk of the road, a crime of causing

death or bodily injury by dangerous driving is

not committed but the driver is guilty of

driving without due care or attention contrary

to s 45 of the Road Traffic Act - - -

Your Honours, that offence we understand to be

roughly equivalent to our offence of negligent

driving.

TOOHEY J: That seems to me to be a quite different

question, Mr Hidden. Is not the Chief Justice

there seeking to identify the sort of conduct

which, viewed objectively, could constitute

dangerous driving, or which might be identified as

,,, no more than negligent driving?
MR HIDDEN:  Yes, Your Honour, but one wonders really whether

we are talking about anything more than degrees of

negligence.

TOOHEY J: But in the present case, if the appellant had not

fallen asleep and no more was known about his

conduct than that he was driving along and for no

apparent reason left the road and collided with a

tree, would it be arguable that that was not

driving in a manner dangerous to the public? I
mean, there may be all sorts of explanations:
steering may fail; a person may have a heart
attack; all sorts of things which, when known,

might convert that conduct from driving in a manner

dangerous to the public to conduct which does not

answer that description. But looking at the events

themselves, is there anything about them which

would enable one to say that it was not driving in

a manner dangerous to the public?

MR HIDDEN:  Your Honour, that is an extremely difficult

question which, in our submission, happily does not

arise for determination necessarily in this

application.

TOOHEY J:  You may be right, but it does arise because you

are seeking to draw this distinction between

negligent driving, dangerous driving and

manslaughter.

MR HIDDEN: Well, the difficulty with the example

Your Honour has given, in my submission, is that in

the absence of any further evidence it is not

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possible to identify the voluntary act which caused
the vehicle to behave in that way. Usually, of

course, it is. Usually there is evidence, as often

as not by admission, as to how the vehicle came to

behave in that way. But I suppose the scenario

Your Honour is postulating, which has always

troubled us, is the one where, for example, a

vehicle suddenly behaves in a bizarre fashion and

quite a dangerous fashion, not having before been

driven in any erratic way, the driver himself is

injured and suffers retrograde amnesia and there is

just no evidence as to why it happened. I think

that may be the situation which Your Honour is

postulating.

I must say, Your Honour, our respectful

submission in that situation would be that there is
no case to answer. But in nine cases out of ten,

Your Honour, there is an explanation as to why the vehicle behaved to the observer in a dangerous

manner, and as we said probably in eight cases out

of ten it is by the admission of the accused

., himself who says, "Oh look, I was distracted by
something. I was looking at the scenery. I took
my eyes off the road for a minute, or I was feeling
ill, or I might have nodded off." In almost all cases there is some explanation, so that one can
centre upon what is, if any, the voluntary act of
the driver which caused the vehicle to behave in
that fashion.

McHUGH J: 

I suppose you know no more than a vehicle being driven at a moderate speed has gone through a

pedestrian crossing and knocked somebody over.

MR HIDDEN: Yes.

McHUGH J: Is that evidence of driving in a manner dangerous

to the public?

MR HIDDEN:  We would submit, if that is all there is there
is not enough to get to a jury, Your Honour. If

that is all there is. If, for example, one has

nothing more than an eyewitness who said, "I saw

this car come down the road and go straight through

a pedestrian crossing and hit someone", and that is

all you have got - - -

McHUGH J:  Why can you not draw the inference it was the

result of - supposing you knew it was the result of

inattentiveness. Would it then constitute evidence

of driving in a manner dangerous?

MR HIDDEN: Yes, Your Honour. If there is evidence that it

was the result of inattentiveness, then yes.

McHUGH J: Well, why can you not infer it from those facts?

Jiminez 17 5/2/92
MR HIDDEN:  Your Honour, simply because there could be so

many other explanations, and unless they can be

ruled out you could never attach criminal liability

to that act on that evidence alone. It is really a
factual question.

BRENNAN J:· Mr Hidden, why is it that the analysis of this case is not along the following lines: this car, containing a passenger, was driven off the road and

hit a tree. That driving was negligent. At the
time, however, the driver says that he was asleep.

If that were so, his action in driving off the road

might be described as involuntary. But is it

described as involuntary if he had some warning,
and does warning come in, then, to the element of

voluntariness or no?

MR HIDDEN: 

Your Honour, as we apprehend the existing

authority, yes, warning is of the essence. If he
had warning of the danger of impending sleep, then
driving in that state of affairs would, on the

existing authorities, be classified as either
negligent or dangerous to the public depending on

...

the circumstances in which it occurred.

BRENNAN J:  You are putting it on the basis that the warning

is an element of the negligence, which you seem to

put forward as being an essential element of the

offence on which this man was convicted.

MR HIDDEN:  Yes.
BRENNAN J:  My proposition to you is that negligence is not

such an element but that one looks to the question

of warning or not for the purpose of determining

questions of voluntariness.

MR HIDDEN:  I am sorry, would Your Honour be good enough to

put that again?

BRENNAN J:  The driver in fact drove the car in a way that
was objectively dangerous. Question, did he do so voluntarily? Answer propounded by the defence, no
it was involuntary. Applied by the prosecution, it
was not involuntary because he had a warning.
MR HIDDEN:  Yes. The only difficulty with putting it that

way, Your Honour, is that what is the driving? If

he is asleep he is not driving, the vehicle is

behaving in a certain way but he is not driving.

The question then becomes, "Has it been proved,

beyond reasonable doubt, that he had a warning of

inpending sleep?". If that be so, as we understand

the authorities, then the driving prior to his

nodding off is either negligent or dangerous,

depending on the circumstances of the case.

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DAWSON J: That is where you get into difficulties of

confusing negligence and dangerous driving. It can

be negligent to drive in that condition, clearly,

but it is not dangerous driving, the driving,

itself, is what you are looking at when you are

looking at dangerous driving, the driving is not

negligent.

MR HIDDEN:  Yes.

DAWSON J: If it were otherwise, for instance the man who

drives who has got a heart condition, he may be

driving impeccably but you could charge him with

dangerous driving because he might pop off at any

minute and so on and so on.

MR HIDDEN:  Yes, we appreciate what Your Honours says.

DAWSON J: Negligence really does not have anything to do

with it. It is a question of the quality of the driving and of course the Crown has to prove the driving is voluntary at the time that the driving

., was exhibiting that quality which we categorized as
dangerous.
MR HIDDEN:  Yes. The only difficulty with that,

Your Honours, as we apprehend it, is what criminal

liability flows from an accident where someone is

injured if warning has been proved. You see,

Your Honours, the sort of distinction, we would

submit, that is relevant is this: if I had been

tired, and being conscious of some danger of

falling asleep, drive a short distance on a remote

country road from one property to another, as it
happens by sheer bad luck I come into collision

with the farmer next door who is driving to see me.

Even though I may seriously injure that man or even

kill him, we would submit, in those circumstances,

driving, being aware that I might fall asleep,

would amount to no more in the criminal law than

negligent driving, but if I drove knowing that I

might fall asleep on a busy arterial road, and

death or bodily injury was caused to some vehicle

which I struck, then in those circumstances that

driving might be classed as dangerous to the public

not merely negligent.

DAWSON J:  You keep corning back to that. Do you concede

that the condition of the driver may be sufficient

to constitute driving in a manner dangerous, even

though the driving is impeccable, because if you

do, that may be the end of the case.

GAUDRON J: 

It would seem to be a concession at odds with the way in which the section is drafted.

MR HIDDEN:  Yes.
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DAWSON J: Because if that were right, then any driver,

although his driving is not at fault in any way,

could be hauled out of his car and charged with

driving in a manner dangerous, if he happens, at

the time, to be drowsy or suffering from a heart

~ondition or over .OS, whatever it might be.

MR HIDDEN:  Yes, we understand what Your Honour is saying,

and we certainly do not make that concession.

DAWSON J:  You seem to me to be putting the case in that

way.

McHUGH J: But was not the Crown case here that your client

became tired and therefore was aware of it and

closed his eyes?

MR HIDDEN: It presumably was, Your Honour. It is never

quite squarely put that way in His Honour's summing

up.

McHUGH J: Well, at page 35, line 11 it is, is it not:

.,,

The Crown say to you that it seems clear he became tired, he closed his eyes and the car

left the road.

And the defence case is put at page 36, line 19:

Counsel for the Accused reminds you that the

Accused had no idea that he would fall asleep

for the split second - - -

MR HIDDEN:  Yes. I suppose the first passage to which

Your Honour referred is capable of meaning "The

Crown say to you that it seems clear he became

tired", and having become tired, subsequently

closed his eyes. I had rather read that as being
contemporaneous.

McHUGH J: Yes, that would be in accordance with the

admission that he was alleged to have made, that he

was thinking about stopping in the next town and

the heater was on.

MR HIDDEN: 

Your Honour, as Mr Justice Smart in his dissenting judgment pointed out, the more ready

explanation for that was that he had been driving
about long enough and had probably planned to make
a stop there in any event.
DEANE J:  He said he was going to stop for breakfast.
MR HIDDEN:  Yes.

DEANE J: Not because he was tired.

Jiminex 20 5/2/92
MR HIDDEN:  This accident occurred at 6 am and they had been
on the road since 11 pm. One would think that

would be a reasonable time to make a stop and have a meal in any event, whether one was feeling tired

or not.

McHUGH J: · That is one explanation but the explanation to

the police officer did not say anything about
stopping for breakfast, did it? It was left at

large?

MR HIDDEN:  Yes, I believe that is so, Your Honour. I think
that is correct, Your Honour. The question of

breakfast was raised in his statement to the jury,

I think.

McHUGH J:  His statement from the dock.
TOOHEY J:  Mr Hidden, could I just ask you this, at the risk

of further disrupting your line of thought.

MR HIDDEN:  It may have completely changed now, Your Honour.
TOOHEY J:  I am not asking for a detailed answer at this

stage but is the complaint in this case or is the

argument this, that given the evidence before the

jury any verdict of guilty was necessarily unsafe?

MR HIDDEN: Yes, Your Honour.

TOOHEY J:  Or is the complaint rather that the appellant

might have been properly convicted had the jury

been properly instructed?

MR HIDDEN:  Your Honour, our submission is that properly

instructed a jury could not convict on this

evidence. There is, additionally, the complaint

that they were not, in any event, properly

instructed. But even if they had been, we would

submit an acquittal must have followed. A

reasonable jury ought to have entertained a

reasonable doubt, in our submission, in the words

of Chamberlain and Morris.

TOOHEY J: Even if properly instructed?

MR HIDDEN: Yes.

TOOHEY J: Thank you.

MR HIDDEN:  Your Honours, really, for the reasons given by

Mr Justice Smart in his dissenting judgment. It

might be helpful to take Your Honours to those

while we are on this topic.

Now, His Honour was approaching the case on

the basis that the applicable law was that stated

Jiminez 21 5/2/92

by the Court of Criminal Appeal in South Australia

in - sorry, Your Honours, Kroon was not itself

referred to in the course of argument in the Court of Criminal Appeal, but His Honour was approaching the case on the basis that the principles in Kroon ~ere the applicable principles.

At page 109 of the application book, His Honour Mr Justice Smart summarized the relevant

conclusions of fact, or the facts and conclusions
of fact, which might have been drawn and, at

page 110, at line 7:

The jury would have been entitled to conclude

that there had been a long night journey, that

the appellant had driven for about 2 and a

half hours in difficult driving conditions

with the heater on and everyone asleep, and

that he had fallen asleep, even momentarily,

as a result of becoming tired or drowsy.

However, the jury would no~ be entitled to

., conclude that he had had any prior warning or
indication of tiredness or sleepiness. The
evidence does not establish this and I do not
think that it can be inferred.

His Honour refers to many people who drive through the night. His Honour said, at line 23:

There has to be a first time when one feels

tired or sleepy. The circumstances revealed

in the evidence are not such as to justify the

conclusion that the appellant should have

stopped earlier because there was a real

possibility of him becoming tired and falling

asleep.

McHUGH J: Well, with respect to His Honour, when you look

at page 19, why could not the jury have taken the

view on the evidence that he did have a prior

warning? After all, the question was:

were you feeling tired prior to the collision?

It was not directly answered, but the accused did

say:

I was thinking about stopping in the next

town. The heater was on.

Why could not the jury infer from that question and

answer that he was feeling tired?

MR HIDDEN: Well, because, in our submission, Your Honour,

to analyse the answer in that way would be to

analyse it unrealistically. True, the answer was

Jiminez 22 5/2/92

not directly responsive to the question, but

consistently in previous discussions with the

police he said, "I don't know what happened. I
must have fallen asleep". The whole thrust of his

conversations with the police was that the sleep

c_arne upon him unexpectedly.

McHUGH J:  No doubt it did, but the question is, did he have

a prior warning and you have got the context about

saying he was stopping in the next town - - -

MR HIDDEN:  I am sorry, Your Honour, we mean unexpectedly in

the sense of without prior warning.

McHUGH J: Yes, and he volunteers that the heater was on.

MR HIDDEN:  Yes. Well one can readily understand that.

Asked, "Were you feeling tired?", his mind would

then turn to matters which might have caused him to

feel tired, whether he did or did not - - -

McHUGH J: Well, I have just put these matters to you,

Mr Hidden. As to whether it was a view open to the

jury, like Mr Justice Kirby, it would not have

surprised me if there had been an acquittal in this

case, but the question is: was there a case to go

to the jury?

MR HIDDEN: Well, on the analysis of the law suggested by

Mr Justice Dawson, there probably was not, but if

the Kroon analysis of the law be correct, then
there may have been a case to go to the jury in

that there - - -

GAUDRON J:  How do you define the manner of driving on the

Kroon analysis, Mr Hidden? What you are saying is

you have got to describe the driving.

MR HIDDEN: Yes. Well, Your Honours, as we understand, on

the Kroon analysis, what the Crown would have to

prove was that prior to running off the road the

applicant was driving the vehicle in circumstances

where he knew, or ought to have known, that he

might fall asleep and it was driving with that

knowledge, actual or imputed, which is the driving

in a manner dangerous. That is the Kroon analysis

as we understand it.

GAUDRON J: But that does not say anything about the

driving. That simply says something about the

circumstances.

MR HIDDEN:  Yes, we appreciate that, Your Honour.

McHUGH J: It also seems to overlook the terms of the

section, artificial as it is, that requires you to

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be driving in a manner dangerous at the time of

impact.

MR HIDDEN:  Yes.
McHUGH J:  Not before and not after.
MR HIDDEN:  A number of authorities have said, of course,

Your Honour, that that should not be read too

literally in the sense - and one can imagine,

Your Honours, at the time of most impacts the

vehicle is beyond the driver's control. The
question is how did it get in that state. Indeed,

I think Sir Garfield Barwick in McBride himself

said there is a bit of leeway in that concept, as

did the court in Kroon. We take Your Honour's

point, but we can appreciate that to apply that

test too rigidly might make the section unworkable.

The way it is put in Kroon, Your Honours, and

perhaps it is appropriate to take Your Honours to

Kroon, (1991) 52 A Crim R 15 - at the bottom of

., page 18 the Chief Justice Mr Justice King in the
last complete paragraph said:

Every act of falling asleep at the wheel

is preceded by a period during which the

driver is driving while awake and therefore,

assuming the absence of involuntariness

arising from other causes, responsible for his

actions. If a driver who knows or ought to

know that there is a significant risk of

falling asleep at the wheel, continues to
drive the vehicle, he is plainly driving

without due care and may be driving in a

manner dangerous to the public.

Again, His Honour draws the distinction between the

two requisite offences.

If the driver does fall asleep and death or

bodily injury results, the driving prior to the falling asleep is sufficiently
contemporaneous with the death or bodily
injury to be regarded as the cause of the
death or bodily injury.

Indeed, His Honour there refers to the relevant part of the judgment of Sir Garfield Barwick in

McBride.

DAWSON J: There is an offence of just driving in a manner

dangerous, is there not? It is a summary offence,

but - - -

MR HIDDEN:  Yes, Your Honour, there is.
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DAWSON J:  And if you test it against that it does mean that

a person who is short-sighted and forgets his

glasses but drives with enormous attention and

concentration, arrives at his destination safely,

nevertheless could be charged with dangerous

driving on that analysis.

MR HIDDEN:  Yes, it could mean that.
DAWSON J:  I find that difficult to accept.

BRENNAN J: 

Mr Hidden, the difficulty I am having is with the passages to which Justice McHugh drew your

attention at pages 35 and 36, where the judge put
to the jury the competing hypotheses as between
which they were to choose. The Crown says to you
"that" on 35, and counsel for the accused reminds
you "that" on 36.  Now, if one reads the passage on
35 not only in the way in which you first read it,
but as putting to the jury the question, "Did he
(a) become tired? (b) close his eyes? (c) the car
left the road", what is the special leave point in
this case?
MR HIDDEN:  It may well be that, on any view of it, that is

not enough.

BRENNAN J:  Why is that not enough?
MR HIDDEN:  If the driving whilst the driver is conscious is

not itself dangerous, the point raised by

Mr Justice Dawson, for a start, that may well be.

BRENNAN J: But if you have warning that you are tired, you

close your eyes and the car runs off the road?

MR HIDDEN:  I am sorry, I beg Your Honour's pardon, yes.

BRENNAN J: That is not driving in a manner dangerous?

MR HIDDEN:  Your Honour, the special leave point, really
arises from the judgment of the Court of Criminal

Appeal, of course, not the summing up.

BRENNAN J:  We are not really interested in dealing with a

case that is hypothetical. If that was the summing

up, that is the summing up.

MR HIDDEN:  Yes. The defect in the summing up, in our

submission, Your Honours, is not so much the way

the case was put factually but the lack of relevant

guidance on the law provided by His Honour.

BRENNAN J: But if, as a matter of law, it is correct to say

that if you find those facts you may convict, then

is there any error?

Knight(2) 25 5/2/92

MR HIDDEN: There is still the difficulty, Your Honour, and

the jury must be told this, whether those facts

amount to driving in a manner dangerous to the

public as opposed to some lesser criminal offence

or lesser standard of fault. The summing up as a

whole in this case, Your Honour, does not seem to

make it adequately clear to the jury where the

burden of proof lies on this question.

BRENNAN J:  What question?
MR HIDDEN:  On the very question raised by that sentence.

One of the difficulties, Your Honour, is that

His Honour gave the general directions drawn from

Sir Garfield Barwick's judgment in McBride but

never squarely said, in the context of this case,

where the burden of proof of warning lay, which was

really - if Kroon be law that is really where -

that was the vital issue in the case; that is that

to convict you would have to be satisfied beyond

reasonable doubt that this driver did have warning

in the sense that he either knew or in the

., circumstances ought to have known that he might
fall asleep.
BRENNAN J:  I think I see the argument, but it seems to me

that whilst there are all sorts of areas on which

it would be interesting to write an academic
article about the subject and to analyse it in

terms of negligence or involuntariness, if a jury

is told that that was they had to find beyond

reasonable doubt, if that is a fair construction of

the summing up, this just is not the case to raise

it.

MR HIDDEN: Yes.

DAWSON J: His Honour said that:

The issue is, was his manner of driving when

his car left the road dangerous to the public?

MR HIDDEN: Yes.
DAWSON J:  On the analysis which appears to be the one that

he suggested was one which was being adopted, that

was not the issue. The issue was: was his manner

of driving before his car left the road dangerous

to the public? It is entirely different.

MR HIDDEN: Certainly that is what the Kroon analysis would

ask, Your Honour.

DAWSON J:  So he just put it in the wrong way.
MR HIDDEN:  We must add, Your Honours, that we do submit

that to read that sentence at line 11 of page 35,

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as it has been read this morning, is probably not

what was conveyed by it. We ourselves always read
the sentence to mean:  "In effect the Crown says to

you that it seems clear that he dropped off to

sleep and left the road, that is, became tired,

closed his eyes simultaneously and left the road".

In the context of the summing up as a whole, we

would submit that was more likely the meaning it

conveyed to the jury.

McHUGH J: But is there not a comma after "tired"? I have

put a circle around it.

MR HIDDEN:  Not when he said it, Your Honour; that is the

problem. Yes, I am sorry, Your Honour, there is in

the text a comma after "tired".

McHUGH J:  I cannot see it on mine now because I have put a

circle around the passage.

GAUDRON J:  And there might be a distinction, might there

not, to be drawn, depending on whether he

voluntarily closed his eyes or his eyes closed for

him?

MR HIDDEN:  Indeed. Your Honours, I must say we had always

read that statement to mean, in effect, it is

common ground that he became tired, closed his eyes

and left the road.

GAUDRON J: Fell asleep.

MR HIDDEN: Yes. That is how we had always read that

sentence in the context of the summary of the

arguments as a whole.

BRENNAN J: Well, no doubt you can read it in a variety of

ways, but it seems a curious thing to grant special

leave and to deal with a case based upon a

direction to a jury which is at least ambiguous and

when there was no objection taken by counsel

appearing at the trial in the manner in which it

was put to the jury.

MR HIDDEN: Well, Your Honour, first of all it must be said

was as simple as that.

that it does not seem to have been apparent to the case

BRENNAN J:  No doubt because the Court of Criminal Appeal is

prevailed upon to consider the interesting

arguments of how many angels dance on the head of a

pin.

MR HIDDEN:  Your Honours, by and large it appears true that

no relevant redirection was asked, except that

there is the exchange appearing at pages 38 to 39

Jiminez 27 5/2/92

of the application book, the purpose of which is a

little difficult to understand, but it does seem

that counsel then appearing was seeking some

direction in relation to involuntariness. He does
not get very far, because having said:

Your Honour didn't allude to the involuntary nature of it.

His Honour said:

Neither did you.

And counsel said:

Well I didn't put it in those terms -

and His Honour said:

Yes anything more you want to put to me?

No Your Honour.

.,,

It is not quite clear, Your Honours, what might

have transpired if that argument had been developed somewhat further. But it does mean that some point

was taken about involuntariness not being conveyed

to the jury.

DEANE J:  Mr Hidden, what did the trial judge say in his

direction to the jury about the need for any mental

element in th offence?

MR HIDDEN:  I do not believe he said anything, Your Honour.

I will just take Your Honours back to that part of

the summing up which deals with the directions

generally. It commences, I think, at page 27.

Really, on driving in a manner dangerous,

His Honour's summing up commences on page 28. I

think the most that he has said, Your Honour, is at

the top of page 29.

MASON CJ: At the top of 29 the trial judge virtually

negatives any element of state of mind.

DEANE J: What do you say is the mental element in the

offence?

MR HIDDEN:  In the offence generally, Your Honour, there is

not mens rea in the sense that there has to be an

intention to drive dangerously.

DEANE J: I did not say mens rea, I said mental element. I

mean, do you need to know that you are driving?

MR HIDDEN: Yes.

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DEANE J:  And do you need to know that you are driving in

the objective manner which is said to constitute

dangerous driving?

MR HIDDEN:  Yes, Your Honour, in the sense that you need to

be aware of what you are doing at the wheel, yes. ¥ou do not need to intend to drive dangerously or

to be personally aware that what you are doing is

dangerous. Provided what you consciously choose to

do is in fact dangerous, or negligence as the case

may be if we are talking about criminal liability

generally, that appears to be sufficient on the

authority.

DEANE J: But do you not need to be a little more precise

and identify the relationship between the mental

element and the objective acts which constitute

driving dangerously regardless of whether you know

what you are doing is dangerous?

MR HIDDEN:  Does Your Honour mean generally or for the

purpose of this particular application?

DEANE J: Well, it seems to me that that must be the

starting point in a case such as this to identify

what, if there be one, is the mental element of the

offence.

MR HIDDEN:  Yes. As we understand the authorities,

Your Honour, the only mental element of the offence

is the intention to cause a motor vehicle to do

something. If what you cause the motor vehicle to

do is in fact dangerous to the public it does not

matter that you did not know that, that you did not

personally believe that.

DEANE J: Such as the intention when driving to cause the

motor vehicle to continue even though you are in

danger of falling asleep?

MR HIDDEN: That is the Kroon analysis, Your Honour, yes, in

effect.

DAWSON J: But surely it is simpler than that, that the

driving which is categorized as dangerous must be a
conscious and voluntary act. It is as simple as

that, is it not?

MR HIDDEN:  Yes. That is what it boils down to,

Your Honour, as we apprehend the law.

DEANE J:  But that brings you back to the question here,
"What is the driving?".  I mean that leads to

saying, driving off the road and hitting a tree was
a conscious and voluntary act. It is, obviously,

not the correct question.

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MR HIDDEN: Yes, obviously not, Your Honour, precisely.

DAWSON J: But then if you look to say, "Well, what was

conscious and voluntary?". Well, if it is driving

up to the stage of falling asleep, was that

dangerous? The answer is, "No" .
MR HIDDEN:  The answer is no, quite so, Your Honour, with

respect.

DEANE J: That brings us back to what I was asking you, do

you take any point in relation to the failure of

the summing up to contain any reference at all to

that element of the offence?

MR HIDDEN:  No such direction is normally given in trials of

this nature, Your Honour, and of course no such

direction is normally required. It is usually

fairly easy to identify what the voluntary act was

which caused the vehicle to behave dangerously, and

it is usually not necessary for a judge.

BRENNAN J:  Why is not the voluntary act the driving while

.,

asleep?

MR HIDDEN: Because, in our submission, Your Honour, while

you are asleep you are not driving. The vehicle is
moving but you are not controlling it.
BRENNAN J:  No. That is not my proposition to you. My

proposition to you is why is the voluntary act not
driving while asleep. If you are drunk, let us

say, and you knew there was a risk that because of

your intoxication you would go to sleep at the
wheel and you go to sleep at the wheel, why is not the conduct of the car while you are asleep at the
wheel conduct which you in every relevant sense

voluntarily entered into?

MR HIDDEN:  Because at the time it is happening,

Your Honour, your will is not controlling the

movement of the vehicle. That is why.

BRENNAN J: A circumstance which you knew the risk of and

voluntarily undertook.

DAWSON J: That is .....

MR HIDDEN:  Yes.
DAWSON J:  Is that not an argument that went out of the

window with O'Connor's case, that voluntarily

becoming drunk does not supply the mental element?

MR HIDDEN: Certainly, Your Honour, yes. I think

Your Honour Mr Justice Brennan was saying though,

you drive being aware that because of your

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intoxication - being aware that you may fall asleep

because of what you have had to drink. Yes. Well

now, Your Honour, on the Kroon analysis if it be

the law, then, depending on the circumstances that
that driving before anything happens at all may

a~tract criminal liability, but on the preferable
analysis, what you have here is a situation that as

long as you are awake, even though you are drunk,

the most you are doing is driving under the

influence of alcohol, but nothing in your course of

driving happens to be dangerous. Once you are
asleep you are not driving.

BRENNAN J: The law must be a very peculiar thing.

MASON CJ:  Mr Hidden, we will adjourn now and resume at

2.15 pm.

AT 12.52 PM LUNCHEON ADJOURNMENT

UPON RESUMING AT 2.20 PM:

MASON CJ: Yes, Mr Hidden.

MR HIDDEN:  Your Honours, on one view, driving a motor

vehicle when the driver has had warning of the

possible onset of sleep is not of itself driving in

a manner dangerous provided that whilst the driver

is conscious the driving is unexceptionable and

prudent, although presumably even on that view it

may amount to driving negligently because driving,

having had the warning of impending sleep, would

presumably amount to driving without due care for

the safety of others and may give rise to a charge

of negligent driving, and if there were an accident

may properly found a civil action for damage.

The other view which found favour with the

Court of Criminal Appeal in South Australia is that
driving a motor vehicle when the driver has been

warned of the possibility of sleep could, in

appropriate circumstances, amount to driving in a

manner dangerous, the rationale being, presumably,

that driving in those circumstances of itself

carries a real and not merely speculative potential

of danger to members of the public.

The view which was expressed in Kroon was, to

some extent, derived from existing authority.
Your Honours, in the Court of Criminal Appeal in

New South Wales in Dennis v Watt, (1943) 43 SR(NSW)

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32, was dealing there with the dismissal of an

information by a magistrate of a charge of

negligent driving, the defendant having claimed

that he had momentarily fallen asleep without

warning. At page 34 the then Chief Justice,

Sir Frederick Jordan, said this:

In the present case, in view of the

magistrate's finding that immediately prior to

the collision the defendant momentarily fell

asleep and had no prior warning of his

inability to keep awake it was in my opinion

open to him on the general facts found by him

to conclude that he was not satisfied that, as

an ultimate fact, the accused had been guilty

of negligence; and I think that it is

impossible to say that his determination was

erroneous in point of law because he, on that
account, dismissed the information. There is

in my opinion nothing in the case of R v

Coventry to which we were referred by

,,, Mr Badham, which is inconsistent with this,
especially having regard to the observations
of the Court at p 638.

Your Honours will recall, of course, Coventry was

an early decision of this Court on a South

Australian provision similar to the culpable

driving provision in New South Wales, and at that

particular reference referred to, the court

acknowledged that while momentary lapses of

attention or casual or transitory breaches of the

proper conduct of a vehicle may, in appropriate

circumstances, amount to driving in a manner

dangerous, the law was open to accept, if you like,

a defence of involuntariness.

TOOHEY J:  That might help you on your misdirection or

inadequate direction argument. It does not really

bear upon the unsafe or unsatisfactory verdict,

does it?
MR HIDDEN& No, that is so. The Chief Justice then went on

to consider the case of Virgo v Elding, a South

Australian case, and to disapprove of it.

His Honour said:

If the case of Virgo v Elding ought to be

regarded as deciding that a person who is

overcome by sleep at the wheel is necessarily

guilty of driving negligently in all cases

whatsoever, and that the circumstances in

which he falls asleep are entirely immaterial,

I am, with all respect unable to agree with

it.

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Now, Your Honours, the Court of Criminal Appeal in England dealt with a somewhat analogous situation;

that is that of mechanical failure in Reg v Spurge,

(1961) 2 QB 205. That was a dangerous driving

charge and in that case the defendant had claimed
that the accident was the result of a mechanical
defect of the motor vehicle of which he had not

been aware. There was, in fact, evidence that he was aware of it, which is substantially the point on which the case turned. At page 210,

Mr Justice Salmon, as he then was, said towards the

middle of the page, this:

If, on a prosecution under section 11(1), the

Crown proves that a motor-vehicle driven by an

accused in fact endangers the public, that is

strong evidence and, indeed, in any but the

most exceptional circumstances, is likely to

be regarded by the jury as conclusive evidence

that the accused was driving in a manner

dangerous to the public.

His Honour went on to consider Hill v Baxter and

said, right at the bottom of the page:

There does not seem to this court to be any real distinction between a man being suddenly

deprived of all control of a motor-car by some

sudden affliction of his person and being so

deprived by some defect suddenly manifesting

itself in the motor-car.

At about point 5, His Honour said:

In these circumstances clearly the motor-car

endangers the safety of the member of the

public driving the oncoming vehicle.

Nevertheless, it could not truly be said that

this danger was created by the manner of the

driving of the motor-car which had gone out of

control.

But, at page 212, His Honour said, at about
point 2: 

This defence has no application where the

defect is known to the driver or should have

been discovered by him had he exercised

reasonable prudence.

His Honour then went on to say that the issue

having been raised of mechanical failure, the

burden then lies upon the prosecution to negative

the defence in the sense of proving either that

there was no mechanical failure or providing that

the accused knew or ought to have known of it.

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I suppose, Your Honours, inherent in that

decision is the proposition that driving a motor
vehicle which was mechanically dangerous, in
circumstances where the accused knew or ought to

have known of its dangerous condition, can itself

amount to driving in a manner dangerous, even

though the course of driving up to the time of the

mechanical failure is, on its face, unexceptional.

BRENNAN J:  Do you accept that proposition or not?
MR HIDDEN:  Your Honour, if we were not required to decide

between these two propositions, we would be happy

not to have to. One can see that the proposition

that the driving cannot be i~ a manner dangerous to

the public unless it is inherently so is consonant

with the words of the section. On the other hand,
one can see, at the very least, sound reasons of

public policy why this interpretation of the law

might be preferred.

., DAWSON J: But there is a distinction. If you drive a

dangerous implement you might be said to be driving

in a manner dangerous because the nature of the

implement makes the driving dangerous, that is the

condition of the thing that you are driving.

MR HIDDEN: Yes, I suppose there is a relevant distinction,

indeed, Your Honour, yes.

DAWSON J:  If the condition of the driver is such that he is

not driving at all it is a different situation.

MR HIDDEN: Yes, indeed, Your Honours, we appreciate there

is that relevant distinction here.

TOOHEY J:  Why do you not put it in these terms - I am not

suggesting you ought, but why do you not say that

conduct which is objectively dangerous to the

public falls within the terms of the section, but

that something such as mechanical failure or a

heart attack or falling asleep without previous

warning deprives the actions of the defendant of

their voluntariness and, therefore, it is an answer

to the charge?

MR HIDDEN: Yes.

TOOHEY J:  Do you mean, yes, you agree with that?

MR HIDDEN: Yes, Your Honour. That, indeed, is the view

that seems to be supported by a considerable line

of authority in England and in this country.

TOOHEY J:  It is certainly not the way it is put in Spurge,

at least not as I understand the paragraphs you

have read.

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MR HIDDEN:  Not precisely in those words, Your Honour, but

Spurge does not seem to amount to that proposition.

TOOHEY J: Spurge seems to be saying that - perhaps it is in a way - you are not driving dangerously if you have

not got, without fault on your part, control over

the vehicle?

MR HIDDEN:  Yes, precisely, Your Honours.
MR HIDDEN:  Yes, precisely, Your Honours.

TOOHEY J: But it might be more difficult to fit that sort

of thinking into the language of the section with

which we are concerned than the other way that I

was suggesting to you.

MR HIDDEN:  Yes, that is indeed the difficulty,

Your Honours, which we must confess we had come

inadequately prepared to consider.

The concept of fault on the part of the driver

purveys the authorities in this area in Reg v

Gosney, (1971) 55 Cr App R 502, again a decision of

the English Court of Appeal, Criminal Division.

Lord Justice Megaw giving the judgment of the court

said this at page 508, and again this is dealing

with the charge of driving in a manner dangerous:

We would state briefly what in our

judgment the law was and is on this question

of fault in the offence of driving in a

dangerous manner. It is not an absolute

offence. In order to justify a conviction

there must be, not only a situation which,

viewed objectively, was dangerous, but there
must also have been some fault on the part of

the driver, causing that situation. "Fault"

certainly does not necessarily involve

deliberate misconduct or recklessness or

intention to drive in a manner inconsistent
with proper standards of driving. Nor does
fault necessarily involve moral blame. Thus

there is fault if an inexperienced or a

naturally poor driver, while straining every

nerve to do the right thing, falls below the

standard of a competent and careful driver.

Fault involves a failure, a falling below the

care or skill of a competent and experienced
driver, in relation to the manner of the
driving and to the relevant circumstances of

the case.

I suppose in a lot of cases, Your Honours, that

statement of principle is capable of-encompassing the concept of involuntariness. But certainly if

Kroon be the law, then the relevance of that

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statement of principle is that you cannot be found

guilty of driving in a manner dangerous as a result

of falling asleep at the wheel unless there was

warning that you might do so. Therein lies the

fault: failure to heed a warning.

BRENNAN J:  I am sorry, Mr Hidden, I am still not quite

following you. What do you say is the situation in

relation to a case of falling asleep with tragic

consequences, if there is a warning of impending

sleep?

MR HIDDEN: 

Your Honour, we say as to that there are two views which might rationally be taken.

One is that

failure to heed that warning amounts to driving

without due care for the safety of others and would

certainly be negligent driving, but could not

amount to driving in a manner dangerous to the

public unless while the driver was conscious the

vehicle was behaving in a dangerous manner .

.,, The other view is, and the view espoused by a

line of authority up to and including Kroon, that

failure to heed that warning, in circumstances

where there is a real and not merely speculative

potential of danger to others, makes continuing to

drive of itself dangerous to the public. Now

Your-Honours, we honestly find it difficult to

submit to this Court which is the preferable view.

DAWSON J: Well, to adopt, for instance, what was said in

Gosney, for my part I do not understand it, adding

fault as an additional ingredient to an offence

which is adequately defined by the statute. If you

consciously and voluntarily drive a motor car in a

manner dangerous to the public, that is the fault.

MR HIDDEN:  Yes.

McHUGH J: This actual decision strikes me really as absurd.

on a dual highway and it is said it is not driving Somebody is driving a car on the wrong carriageway in a manner dangerous, or a jury could find you are
not driving in a manner dangerous, because the
woman got the wrong - - -
MR HIDDEN:  As I understand it though, Your Honour, in

circumstances where, in the view of the court, she

entered the carriageway at a point where the

signage was not adequate to indicate to her that

she was on the wrong side.

McHUGH J:  I know, but if you were in a one-way street and

suddenly somebody is driving up that street in your

direction likely to cause harm, surely you are

driving in a manner dangerous to the public.

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MR HIDDEN:  Yes, but, Your Honour, if the driver entered

that street and somebody had knocked down the

one-way sign and the driver assumed that to drive

in that direction on the left-hand side of the

carriageway, as is normal custom, is correct, the

fact that it was in fact a one-way street and the

danger was created thereby, would not render, in

our submission, the driver criminally liable for

anything, because there is no fault. There is not even failure to notice a one-way sign. There does

not happen to be a one-way sign.

BRENNAN J: That is because there is a mistake of fact.

MR HIDDEN:  I suppose that is another way of putting it,

Your Honour, but the convenience of using the word

"fault" in this sense, at the very least, is that

it makes it clear where the burden of proof lies.

DAWSON J: It does more than that.

MR HIDDEN:  We certainly do not read Gosney as suggesting

that there is any intent or recklessness involved.

It appears what Their Honours meant in Gosney was

that there must be fault in the sense of a

conscious decision to do something with a motor

vehicle which any reasonable person knows is, as

the case may be, negligent or dangerous to the

public. We cannot suggest there is any greater

mental element than that.

In the example I have just postulated,

Your Honour, if someone had taken away the one-way

sign, no reasonable person would say that the

conscious decision to do what that driver did was

negligent or dangerous to the public.

McHUGH J: Well it still constitutes driving in a manner

dangerous to the public. You may not be criminally

responsible for it because of an honest and

reasonable mistake.
MR HIDDEN:  I am sorry, Your Honour, yes. I have at all

time been using the expression in the sense of

being criminally responsible for driving in a

manner dangerous to the public. Yes, I take

Your Honour's point. We are speaking here of

criminal responsibility, not a description of the
behaviour of the vehicle, as such, but rather
criminal responsibility for what it does. Yes, I

understand that. We understand in Gosney that is

all they are talking about there.

McHUGH J: Well, that is not the way they put it.

MR HIDDEN:  I appreciate that, Your Honour, yes. Now,

Your Honour, it is against the background of those

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authorities that the Court of Criminal Appeal in

South Australia came to decide Kroon, and no doubt

Your Honours are familiar with it and probably

sufficient of that authority has already been

referred to in argument this morning, the vital

passage being, Your Honours, the one which we read

this morning - I am sorry Your Honours, Kroon is in

52 Aust Crim R 15, the vital passage being that of

the Chief Justice Mr Justice King from pages 18

to 19.

We observe, Your Honours, that His Honour goes on at page 19, having discussed the principle

involved, to say:

The more difficult issue in this class of case is whether~-~ driving prior to sleep

amounts to the indictable crime. The critical

issue is the degree of the accused person's

departure from the standard expected of an

ordinary prudent drive.

,,

Your Honours will bear in mind, of course, that what His Honour was there referring to was the

possible alternative verdict of driving without due
care, which I gather in South Australia is

regularly pleaded as an alternative to one of

culpable driving. That cannot be done in New South

Wales. Negligent driving is purely a summary

offence, and His Honour there appears to draw a

distinction between driving without due care and

driving in a manner dangerous, according to the

degree of the accused person's departure from the

standard expected of an ordinary prudent driver.

That seems, Your Honours, to be consistent

with Mr Justice O'Brien's analysis of the criminal

offences relating to driving in Buttsworth. That

is the real distinction between them1 that is,

negligent driving, culpable driving, manslaughter

being the extent to which the driver falls below

the standard of due care of a prudent driver; the

degree of carelessness involved.

BRENNAN J: 

If I could just interrupt you while you are dealing with Kroon·.

If one were to take the view

that the actus reus of the offence of culpable
driving, or driving without due care, in a sleep

case, is driving the vehicle whilst asleep off the road, or driving the vehicle whilst asleep, let us put it that way, the question then becomes, is the driving of the vehicle whilst asleep a voluntary or

an involuntary act. Is it an involuntary act if a

driver, with knowledge that he may fall asleep,

continues to drive and does fall asleep, so that

from that point onwards the actus reus occurs?

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MR HIDDEN:  No, Your Honour. In our submission, the only

way one can analyse that situation consistent with

logic and authority is to say that the actus reus

is the driving before the driver falls asleep,

having been warned of the danger of the onset of

sleep.

BRENNAN J:  I understand the way you put it, but I do not

understand what authority it is that says so.

MR HIDDEN:  Kroon, Your Honour, and the cases which preceded

it. That appears to be what Kroon is saying.

DAWSON J: In any event, would that not amount to saying

that if you consciously and voluntarily become

unconscious and involuntary you are not unconscious

and involuntary? In other words, you supply the

mental element by reference to the mental element

at a preceding time.

MR HIDDEN:  Yes. The logical difficulty we have with that,

Your Honour, is the idea of consciously becoming

,, unconscious.

DAWSON J: That is the way His Honour was putting it to you,

was it not, that you supply the mental element at

the relevant time by reference to the mental

element which was the voluntary driving of the

motor car before - in a state of drowsiness, let us

say - that supplies the mental element at the

relevant time if that relevant time is the driving

of the motor car asleep. There is a

certain •.... incurred in driving a motor car asleep,

but still - - -

MR HIDDEN:  Your Honour, I understand the proposition, but

we would submit that it is more consonant with

authority than with logic to say that it is the

driving before - - -

DAWSON J:  I understand that but if that is not so and the
period, which is the relevant period, is the period

when he is actually driving the car asleep, if one

can do that, when he is in one sense unconscious

and involuntary, can you supply the necessary

consciousness and voluntariness by reference to a

preceding period, that is, when he was consciously

and voluntarily driving in a drowsy condition.

MR HIDDEN:  We would submit not, Your Honour. Once he is

unconscious - - -

DAWSON J:  I thought you would, yes.
BRENNAN J:  I thought you would too. The problem is that

you have got to understand what is meant by the

mental element and if you understand the mental

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element to be nothing more than voluntariness in

what exclusively amounts to the actus reus, but

then, of course, the problem has to be analysed in

those terms.

MR HIDDEN: Yes, which is why we would submit it is

preferable to see the actus reus as the driving
prior to the onset of sleep, together with a

failure to heed a warning. We appreciate,

Your Honours, that to a certain extent that merges

actus reus and mental element.

Your Honours, against that background, when

one turns to the judgments of the majority in the
Court of Criminal Appeal - of course, if the first

view be correct, and that is that unless the

driving is objectively dangerous prior to the onset of sleep there is no driving in a manner dangerous,

then everyone has missed the point, including the

whole of the Court of Criminal Appeal and, indeed,

counsel until today and no judgment of the Court of

., Criminal Appeal correctly states the principle, if
that be the preferable view.

If the view enunciated in Kroon be the law

then, in our submission, the Court of Criminal

Appeal is substantially at odds even with that

decision.

McHUGH J:  Why do you say that in respect of the president?

He seemed to take the view in the case that I suggested to you was the way it was left at 35

and 36. If you look at the bottom of 62 and 63 of

the book, he took the view:

It is inherent in the jury's verdict that the

jury concluded that the appellant knew, or

ought to have known, that he was sleepy before

he fell asleep - - -

MR HIDDEN: Yes, I appreciate that, Your Honour. Indeed,

earlier, the learned president had expressed the

issue to be determined in a manner which is, on the

face of it, consonant with Kroon. At line 5:

If, having regard to all of the circumstances

a jury concludes that the accused driver,

whose vehicle has been involved in an impact causing the serious consequences provided by

the section, knew or ought to have known that

he was liable to lose control of the vehicle

(however briefly) that will be enough to

sustain a conviction under the section.

Again, Your Honours, thus far, that appears to be

entirely consonant with Kroon except for the

passage of Kroon to which we referred Your Honours

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earlier at page 19 where the Chief Justice said,

"Even if there is that knowledge, actual or

imputed, of the likely onset of sleep, the question

still arises whether driving the vehicle in those

circumstances amounts to driving in a manner
dangerous, as opposed to driving without due care

and attention."

Your Honours, to that extent, we maintain the

submission we made based on Buttsworth that the

fact that a driver drove knowing that he might fall

asleep does not necessarily amount to driving in a

manner dangerous. That depends on the surrounding

circumstances: things such as what type of road he

is on. So that to that extent, the statement of

the learned president at page 62, the statement of

principle, we would submit, is too broad.

With the judgment of the president,

Your Honours, the problem which we apprehend arises more from His Honour's earlier statements which do

not seem entirely consistent with that final

statement of principle and seem to omit altogether

the necessity of proving knowledge, actual or

imputed, of the possible onset of sleep. At

page 55, at the bottom of the page, His Honour

said:

Amongst the purposes of the section is the

discouragement of the driving of fast moving

motor vehicles, with potentially lethal

capacity, in circumstances where it is
reasonable to infer that the driver will not,

at all times, be able to exert control over

the motor vehicle and so to ensure the safety

of members of the public (including

passengers) coming within its vicinity.

A little later, at line 10, His Honour said:

It is important that courts should not be indulgent about this offence.

And he speaks of the natural sympathy that people

have for defendants in the predicament of being

charged with culpable driving. At line 22,

His Honour said:

The great velocity and power of the modern

motor vehicle, even when being driven within

the maximum speed limit fixed by law, are such

as to require full capacity on the part of the
driver at all times. Anything less presents a

risk of danger to the public.

Those propositions, standing alone,

Your Honours, are certainly capable of suggesting

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that there is an absolute duty to remain alert at

the wheel and if you fall asleep, for whatever

reason and however unexpectedly, that is an end to

the matter. However, true it is, Your Honours, at
page 62, the statement of principle appears to be

_consonant with Kroon.

The greater difficulty, Your Honours, is the

judgment of Mr Justice Lee, the Chief Judge at

Common Law, and the difficulty which this decision

presents to practitioners in New South Wales is

that if it stands as authority in that State

practitioners will have to decide which judgment is

the authoritative one, because Mr Justice Lee's

approach is quite different and, in our submission,

completely at odds with Kroon and the line of

authority which preceded it.

The effect of Mr Justice Lee's judgment does seem to be that falling asleep at the wheel without

more may be enough to amount to driving in a manner

dangerous, and that the question of a warning and

,,, whether or not it was heeded simply has nothing to
do with it.

Speaking of the case at hand, His Honour said,

at page 80:

The circumstances proved in the present case from the appellant's own statements were,

as I have said, such as to justify the jury

concluding beyond reasonable doubt that he had

dropped off to sleep and that it was that

factor which caused the vehicle to leave the

road. It was also open to the jury to

conclude that although he woke up or became

aware of his surroundings, prior to the

vehicle leaving the road, the time difference

between his going to sleep and the impact

which caused the death of the victim was so

short as to justify a conclusion that the

vehicle was being driven in a manner
dangerous, due to his being asleep, during
that entire but short period.

Turning then to the relationship between falling

asleep and driving in a manner dangerous,

His Honour says:

To the question whether falling asleep at

the wheel of a motor vehicle being driven upon

a public highway - and I do not limit the

question to the night or the day time -

amounts to driving in a manner dangerous

within the propositions 2, 3, 4 and 5 there

can be but one answer, in most circumstances,

and that is that it does.

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propositions from Reg v Hain, which His Honour set

The reference to propositions 2, 3, 4 and 5,

out and which appear in the application book at

pages 78 and 79. His Honour went on:

The test of "driving in a manner dangerous",

being an objective one, focuses attention upon

the manner in which the driver has exercised control and management of his vehicle, and a
driver who allows himself to "drop off" for a

moment deprives the vehicle of the very

control which must be exercised if danger to
the public is not potentially at least

created. A vehicle moving on a public

highway, day or night, with a driver at the
wheel who is asleep even for a second or two,
will in most circumstances pose a threat of

danger to any member of the public who may be

in that vicinity or in the vehicle.

His Honour said that it had been argued by counsel

that the act of falling asleep can be an

involuntary act, and His Honour went on to consider

the decision of this Court in Coventry, and

His Honour continued at the bottom of page 82:

When a person, who has fallen asleep,

does an act or appears to engage in conduct of

a particular nature which is called into

question in a criminal court, the answer can

readily be given that such act or conduct is

not voluntary. But falling asleep or losing
concentration in circumstances where

concentration can be shown to be reasonably

expected is a different matter.

Now, I pause there to point out, Your Honours, that

there is a very real logical distinction here

between falling asleep on the one hand, and losing

concentration on the other. His Honour went on:

Falling asleep is, in ordinary circumstances,

something to which the will readily "gives
in", and it can fairly be said that when one

falls asleep, even momentarily, one allows

oneself to fall asleep. Falling asleep or

losing concentration are not to be understood

as acts but, in the context in which we are

concerned here, as consequences of a failure

to exercise control of the will in order to

stay awake or remain alert.

His Honour goes on to refer, in passing, to the

discussion by Sir Garfield Barwick of voluntariness

in Ryan v Reg and says that we are not

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here concerned with that type of involuntariness

and proceeds:

nor, in my view, is falling asleep or loss·of

concentration to be understood to be within

the expression "involuntariness" used by their

Honours in the King v Coventry.

At page 84, after a reference to a part of

Coventry, His Honour continued:

In my opinion to fall asleep at the wheel

is plainly within the matters which their

Honours considered could constitute driving in

manner dangerous. The driver who sits behind

the wheel of a car and drives it has an

obligation, in my opinion, positively to keep

his attention directed on the driving, and

when he fails in that obligation and allows

his mind to wander so as to take his attention

off the driving, or he falls asleep

momentarily, he can be held ..•.. to be driving

., "in a manner dangerous.

DAWSON J: Which period of driving is His Honour referring

to there, before or after the driver falls asleep?

MR HIDDEN:  That, Your Honours, is not entirely clear. we

take His Honour to be referring to the period after
falling asleep as the relevant period although

His Honour, in the passage earlier quoted, did agree that once one has fallen asleep it can be

said that the conduct of the vehicle is

involuntary. His Honour seems to be saying that

the driving in a manner dangerous is the falling

asleep while at the wheel of the car. Now, whether

that, logically, can be described as a course of

driving is another matter but, in any event, the

difficulty we apprehend is with the notion that

falling asleep is, in some sense itself, an act of

the will. Your Honours, every night we go to bed

intending to go to sleep but the onset of sleep is

involuntary, in any sense of the word.

DEANE J: What His Honour is saying is not taking sufficient

care to make sure you do not fall asleep when you

are driving, and he is talking of the moment you

fall asleep. It is not all that unreasonable, is

it? If one of us were to fall asleep in the middle of your fascinating submissions, it would be fairly

apparent that we had not taken sufficient care to

listen or to stay awake.

McHUGH J:  We might not be guilty of fault, though.
MR HIDDEN:  No, Your Honour, with respect.
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DEANE J: What, that we would not be guilty of fault?

MR HIDDEN:  This is the whole point, Your Honour. Human

reality is that people can fall asleep despite

their best efforts to remain awake. That is the

whole point.

DEANE J: All I can say is I have been tempted many times in

the years on the bench, and I have always resisted

it, and I would regard myself as negligent if I

started snoring.

MR HIDDEN:  I am delighted that Your Honour has had such

consistent success, but the onset of sleep can be

momentary and unexpected, despite being guarded

against. That is human reality, Your Honours, and

that is the whole point of this case. That is the

whole point of Kroon and the decisions which

precede it. We recognize that that is a human

reality, and we do not penalize you in the criminal

law for doing that. Failing to pay attention to

keep yourself awake means that you have had a

,, warning of impending sleep and you have not heeded
it.

McHUGH J: But Mr Justice Lee seemed to think that a claim

that you had no warning might still allow you to be

acquitted. He seems to make that point at page 88,

line 7, where he said:

A driver's own admission that he has fallen

asleep will, in most circumstances that can be imagined, carry the Crown case to the jury and

it will be for the jury to consider the claim

"of no warning" against the whole of the

evidence.

MR HIDDEN:  Yes. Your Honour, I am mindful of that passage

but, with respect, find it difficult to marry up with what had passed from His Honour before. At

page 85, His Honour referred to Dennis v Watt, to

which we have already referred this Court, but

distinguishes it on the basis of its being a case

of negligent driving, not driving in a manner

dangerous. At page 86, His Honour said at line 16:

In other words, a fortiori, proof of

fainting excludes negligence and it is the

same when, and if, it can ever be proved -

and we pause there, Your Honours, to suggest that

that may be reversing the onus of proof -

when, and if, it can ever be proved - as the

magistrate found it had been on this

occasion - that sleep came on without warning.

That case, in my view, has no application in

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the present circumstances which are not

concerned with negligence but with whether,

having fallen asleep -

here is the answer to Your Honour Justice Dawson's

question -

the vehicle was then being driven ttin a manner

dangerous to the publictt withins 52A of the

Crimes Act. It may well be that one can say

that there would be many, many instances in

which drivers have dropped off to sleep at the
wheel and not have been aware that they were
doing so and quite unaware that they were even

drowsy. But that does not mean they could not

be found guilty of an offence under s 52A for

the section fastens objectively upon the

manner in which the vehicle is driven, as I

have earlier pointed out - - -

DAWSON J: Then you get into the difficulties where you

really are saying the driver has to be at fault. I
,,, mean, if it is dangerous for a drowsy man to drive
a car, then it is dangerous whether or not he knows
he is drowsy. This is not an offence which
requires mens rea other than a mental element that
it be conscious and voluntary, and perhaps that is
a defence of mistake of fact. You are muddling up
a number of concepts if you go about it that way.
How can it matter whether he knows whether he is
drowsy or not if, in fact, he is drowsy, and if it
is said that drowsy driving a car constitutes
driving in a manner dangerous?
MR HIDDEN: Well, Your Honour, the answer , in our

submission - and all this assumes that the Kroon

view be the correct view - - -

DAWSON J: And if he falls asleep he must have been drowsy,

and therefore if this reasoning is right, in every

case in which a person drops off to sleep behind the wheel he must be guilty of dangerous driving.
certainly, and - - -

MR HIDDEN, Yes, that is the danger with it, Your Honour,

DAWSON J: But that is not, if I may say with respect, what

His Honour thinks you are saying. He thinks you
are saying the opposite.

MR HIDDEN: Precisely, Your Honour. But as I say, the Kroon

view as we understand it is that whilst you might

describe as a matter of English a driver falling
asleep at the wheel and the course of the vehicle

thereafter, one does not attach criminal liability

to that unless that driver knew, or ought to have

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known, that just that might happen. Criminal

liability is then attached - - -

DAWSON J: But that is not part of the offence. It is

attributing to the offence the requirement of an

element of fault which is not there.

MR HIDDEN: 

It is perhaps in the light of that sort of

reasoning that the concept of fault is introduced
by the English Court of Appeal in Gosney to

distinguish situations where serious accidents have
happened by sheer misadventure. In short,
Your Honours, our submission is that on either view
of the correct law, Mr Justice Lee's judgment
cannot stand, and this Court should say so.

Your Honours, on the major point being the law

relating to the manner of driving and the manner in which the matter was put to the jury, those are our

submissions. Your Honours, the other matter

relied upon in this application - - -

BRENNAN J:  Do you need to say anything about the

application or absence of application for

redirection?

MR HIDDEN: Well, Your Honour, as we said, firstly, while it

is not clear, it does seem that at the very least

counsel did seek some kind of direction relating to

involuntariness. That appears at page 38 of the

application book, Your Honours, and I think we took

Your Honours to that this morning. None the less,

if the Court is of the view that the matters raised in this application were not adequately raised with

the trial judge, we would submit that that would

not, in the circumstances, prevent this Court from

intervening. The issues raised in the context of

this trial were vital to the way in which the trial

was conducted and to the way in which the

applicable law ought to have been explained to the

jury and in these circumstances it could not be

said that this application ought fail because the

points were not taken.

MASON CJ:  Why do you say, having regard to the way in which

this trial was conducted? It seems to me that is

one of the difficulties that we face in spelling

out precisely how it was conducted and what was the

defence that was urged upon the jury.

MR HIDDEN:  Yes. I appreciate that, Your Honour. The trial

does seem to have been conducted, at least on the
defence side, upon the proposition that there was

no warning of impending sleep. It does not seem

all that clear whether the Crown conducted it on

that basis, but rather on the basis that going to

sleep, for whatever reason, was enough. And the
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way the arguments are summarized, it does not seem

entirely clear what the Crown contention was, but

certainly, in our submission, the summing up ought

have been told squarely, "The issue which you, involved and if Kroon be the law, the jury should to have drawn the jury's mind to the issue of law
ladies and gentlemen, have to decide is whether you
are satisfied beyond any reasonable doubt that this
accused had warning of impending sleep. Unless you
are, he must be acquitted". That was never
squarely put as a proposition of law related to the
facts of the case.

Now, Your Honours, if the point was not taken,

or was not taken adequately, we would submit then

in the Court of Criminal Appeal that would not

justify the court applying - - -

McHUGH J: But, Mr Hidden, both the President and

Mr Justice Lee thought the jury were directed that

they were to acquit the accused if the appellant

,, had no warning. That appears in Mr Justice Lee's

judgment at page 78, about line 6, and

Mr Justice Kirby at page 62, 63 - that was the way

they understood the summing up.

MR HIDDEN:  Your Honours have the summing up before you.
Mc HUGH J:  Yes.
MR HIDDEN:  A factual dispute was certainly put but it was

not put into the relevant legal framework, in our

submission, Your Honours. The directions of law

were just far too general and the jury were not

adequately guided as to what the true test of
criminal liability was and what it was precisely

which had to be proved.

Your Honours, the only other matter raised by

this application is the entirely separate point

relating to the misstatement of evidence.

Your Honours, we are content if the Court is itself

content to rely on the short summary of that
argument appearing in our written outline.

Basically, what happened, as Your Honours may know, is that it seems that counsel for the Crown,

while addressing the jury, inserted the word

"again" into one of the answers of the applicant to

questioning by police, in fact by Sergeant Cornes.

The problem is set out, Your Honours, at

page 52 of the application book in the middle of

the page in the indented italicized passage. In

the summing up, when summarizing the Crown's

submissions, the learned judge apparently said to

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the - well, it appears from page 35 of the

application book - jury:

asked by Sergeant Cornes how the collision

occurred. The Crown reminded you that his

answer was, "I really don't know. Before the

accident there was a lot,of fogs in the road.

I lost control of the car. Everyone was

asleep, the three girls and then it happened.

I was just for a second, I lost control when I

fell asleep again. I'm not sure what

happened."

The word "again" was not, in fact, used and that was not the evidence. His Honour then went on to

say:

That answer to the Sergeant the Crown ask you

to reflect upon and to evaluate and to

attribute to it such importance as you see

fit.

., It seems, when one continues in the judgment of
Mr Justice Kirby, Your Honours, that what had
happened was that in summarizing the evidence to
the jury the judge used his own notes and
summarized it accurately. But when summarizing the
submissions of counsel and used his notes of those
submissions, in a sense, the inaccuracy crept in in
the submission of counsel for the Crown and was
repeated by His Honour when summarizing
submissions.

The majority of the court were of the view

that while it was a misstatement it was not of such

significance as to be likely to have affected the

jury's verdict and the jury were, in all the

circumstances, likely to have known that it was a

misstatement. Mr Justice Smart was of the contrary

view and it is our respectful submission that, in

all the circumstances, it is his view which ought

be preferred.

The question which arises for this Court is

that all the judges of the court realized that in

deciding the question the guiding authority on the

matter was the decision of this Court in Simic v

Reg, (1979-80) 144 CLR 319. The Court there

considered, at some length, the authorities relating to the effect of a misstatement of

evidence to a jury and the conclusion of the Court

appears at page 332.

This was an appeal from Victoria and the

reference at the top of the page to section 568 was

a reference to the Criminal Appeal Division, a

provision of common form in all States, similar to

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section 6 of the New South Wales Criminal Appeal

Act. Their Honours said:

It is right and proper therefore that an onus

rests upon an appellant to bring himself

withins 568 by showing that the misdirection

which occurred in the instant case amounted to a miscarriage of justice. Nevertheless, it is putting that onus too high to require it to be

shown that it was reasonably probable, rather

than possible, that the misdirection affected

the verdict. Of course minor inaccuracies and

omissions will not be likely to make it

possible that the verdict was affected. Bare

and remote possibilities may be disregarded,

but if it is considered reasonably possible

that the misstatement may have affected the

verdict and if the jury might reasonably have

acquitted the appellant if the misstatement

had not been made, there will have been a

miscarriage of justice, and a substantial one.

.,. In considering a question of this kind, the
appellate court must have regard to the
gravity of the misstatement as well as to the
strength of the case against the appellant.
Now, Your Honours, Mr Justice Kirby - as we

have said - as did the other judges, referred to

Simic, but at page 53 of the application book the

learned president had this to say, at line 19:

In an appeal to this Court upon the basis of mis-statements of the evidence, it is not

sufficient to show that there has been an

inaccuracy or imprecision. What must be shown

is that the inaccuracy is significant, in the

sense that it carries a real risk that the jury's consideration of the evidence might

have been affected, resulting in a verdict

different from that which could have followed

a correct statement of the evidence.

Now, Your Honours, the submission, in short, is

that the expression "real risk" is much closer to
the expression "reasonably probable" which this

Cou~t rejected as the correct test, and places an onus on the applicant or on the appellant to show

that the misstatement was significant, which is

greater than showing reasonable possibility, an

onus higher than that enunciated by this Court.

That, in short, is the complaint and, as we have said, our submission is that on all the facts in this case, the view of Mr Justice Smart is to be preferred.

Jiminez 50 5/2/92

BRENNAN J: Are you saying that there is a special leave

point consisting in the difference between

reasonable possibility and real risk?

MR HIDDEN:  Yes, Your Honour, that is it.

BRENNAN J: After the judge had referred to Simic as the

guiding principle?

MR HIDDEN:  Yes, I appreciate that, Your Honour, but none

the less there is the way in which Mr Justice Kirby

has put it at page 53.

BRENNAN J: 

Why do we need to intervene on this ground? Nobody has doubted Simic, have they?

MR HIDDEN:  No, Your Honour. Your Honour, we can suggest

this Court might grant special leave for the reason

only to correct a misstatement of the relevant

principle, if it be a misstatement, by the

President of the Court of Appeal in New South Wales

in his own judgment, and that the Court would grant

special leave for that purpose alone. We can put
it no higher than that, Your Honour.

Your Honours, those, in short, are our

submissions. If the Court is of the view that

special leave should be granted and the appeal

allowed, it would be our submission that no new

trial ought be ordered. The particular reason for

the Court taking that view, in our submission, is

as we have said and respectfully submit that

Mr Justice Smart's view that the verdict was in any

event unsafe and unsatisfactory is sound and is to

be preferred to the view of the majority. This was

a tragic case, Your Honours, but it just was not a

culpable driving.

DAWSON J: What has happened to the sentence, has it

expired?

MR HIDDEN1 No, Your Honours. The appellant has in fact

been on bail, so that he has at this stage still

only done four weekends of periodic detention.

Those are our submissions, if the Court pleases.

MASON CJ: Thank you, Mr Hidden. Yes, Mr Howie.

MR HOWIE:  I hand up an outline.
MASON CJ: 
Yes, Mr Howie.  We need not trouble you on the

second point, the Simic point.

MR HOWIE:  Yes, Your Honours. I do not know that those

principles now, after what has fallen from here

today, necessarily are sufficient. What seems to

have occurred perhaps in the English cases is that

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the courts have been concerned about the question
of voluntariness of the person who falls asleep or
for some other reason loses control of a motor

vehicle and it seemed to address that in two ways,

either firstly by looking at what happened before

the loss of control to find that there is a manner

dangerous to the public, either if it is in a motor

vehicle matter by finding out whether or not the

person ought to have known of the defect of the

motor vehicle, or if it is in the lack of control

because of some condition of the person to see

whether or not the person knew or ought to have

known of the lack of condition or ought to have known of the condition which was going to bring

about a lack of control.

So the courts have tended to focus on the time

in which the person loses control as the question

of whether or not - of that being the manner

dangerous to the public or the time in which the

manner dangerous to the public occurs and then,

., looking at the fact of the impact or the driving
where the car goes off the road as a consequence of
the manner dangerous and as being so near in nexus
to the manner dangerous that they have identified
that being the circumstances before the loss of
control and saying that it was the loss of control
or the circumstances before the loss of control
which was the manner dangerous to the public. That
seems to evince itself in Kroon.

Even if one goes back to Hill v Baxter, the

case which was talking about falling asleep or loss
of control by some circumstance of the person
themselves, again there the court looked at the

difference between a person who falls asleep
without any warning or loses control without any
forewarning of something going to happen, just an
Act of God almost, a swarm of bees or being hit by
back in time to the situation before the person a stone or something which brings about a state of involuntariness and in the situation of sleep went
became asleep to find the manner dangerous there.

Kroon applies, or purports to apply, Hill v

Baxter and therefore looked at that as the relevant

situation. It seems that that is what happened in

the context of this trial. The focus was, it seems

to be, addressed to the question of whether or not

he had any warning about the closing of his eyes or

that he was going to get tired and therefore close

his eyes, so that the manner dangerous which was

looked at by the jury, or to which the jury's

attention was drawn, seems to be that fact, and

that was the issue on which the matter was argued.

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McHUGH J:  Can you just help me. The accused was indicted

on an impact case.

MR HOWIE:  Yes.

McHUGH J: The language of 52A requires that at the time of

the impact that the vehicle must be driven in a

manner dangerous to the public, not before the time

of the impact.

MR HOWIE:  Yes, but in McBride's case, Chief Justice Barwick

said that it could be that the manner of driving
and the impact are so close in time that the jury
can accept that the manner of driving has continued

to the point of impact, that the state of emergency

that occurs due to the manner dangerous is, as it
were, a consequence of the driving in the manner

dangerous and is seen as part of the driving in the

manner dangerous and therefore went towards the

impact. It may be different if the manner

dangerous that is being relied upon is some period

before the impact. I think the Chief Justice said

that it was a jury question to look at whether or

not the manner of dangerous - - -

McHUGH J:  I am not sure that you do not rather reverse what
he was saying. He was insisting on the need for
contemporaneity between impact and manner of
driving, was he not?
MR HOWIE:  Yes, Your Honour, but said that it could come

about by the fact that the manner of driving and

the impact occurred so close in time that it could

be seen as the same thing, or the jury could find

that the manner of driving continued right up until

the point of impact, as a matter of almost causal

relationship, and that the driving in a manner

dangerous to the public occurred at the time of

impact because of what had occurred just before the
impact, and the court is not looking at what

happens when the person is out of control trying in

this state of emergency to control the vehicle to

dangerous. get it back on the road or to overcome the manner That certainly seems to be how this case was

run, that the manner dangerous was the circumstance

when he closed his eyes and then lost control of

the motor vehicle, which occurred so close to the

time of the impact, because he went off the road

and then hit the tree almost immediately, that it

can be seen as part and parcel of the one course of

driving or the same manner dangerous.

The other way that the courts have seemed to

have dealt with this in England is this

introduction of the concept of fault. That seems

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because if - the court's concern that if the person

who fell asleep or something else that happened to him, or in the mechanical defect case, was at that stage not voluntarily driving the motor vehicle, he

would only have a defence, as it were, or would

only escape liability if he could show that his
lack of control or the loss of control or the state

of voluntariness came around by no fault of his.

That element of fault seemed to be introduced

to some degree before the case of Gosney not so

much to widen or to lessen the impact of the

offence to introduce a concept of fault as some

sort of mens rea, but in fact to overcome a

reliance upon an involuntary act of driving,

involuntariness which came around by way of some

fault on the part of the driver. That fault may be

by reason of t~e fact that the driver was tired,

knew he was tired.

I think one of the cases, Hill v Baxter,

., refers to a person who knows that he might have an
epileptic seizure and who drives a motor vehicle
knowing that he might have an epileptic seizure. upon the fact that he was, at the time of the
seizure, not driving voluntarily and therefore not
driving in a manner dangerous to the public.
DAWSON J:  Do you embrace that concept?
MR HOWIE: 
No.  I am in a bit of a cleft stick as well, I

suppose, because I would hav.e embraced Kroon, and still would embrace Kroon as· saying that a person

who, at the time of driving, knows or ought to have

known that he would lose control, either by reason

of a mechanical defect or some defect in him or

some condition of him or some condition of the

driver, who would be driving in a manner dangerous to the public. There is just as much driving in a

vehicle, as for a person with a condition which may manner dangerous to the public to drive a defective lead to a loss of control to also drive the motor
vehicle.
DAWSON J:  Why is that imported into the section?

....• respect it is said to be completely objective

and if a man is driving a motor car in a situation

where there is a real risk of there being an

accident, why is that not sufficient?

MR HOWIE:  But if the real risk is due to the condition of

the driver.

DAWSON J: Yes. If you say that the condition of the driver

is sufficient to provide the element of danger,

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disregarding for the moment the word "manner'', then

it is just a question of what his condition was.

MR HOWIE: That is right, and they have introduced this

to -

DAWSON J:  It does not matter if he knew what his condition

was or not.

MR HOWIE:  No, no, I accept that, it is an objective state,

it is one of the objective circumstances as what

his condition, in fact, is.

DAWSON J: So that if a man, in fact, falls asleep at the

wheel he must have been driving in a condition in

which he was tired enough to fall asleep while

driving a car, therefore ipso facto he is guilty of

the offence.

MR HOWIE:  Unless he has got some medical condition which

causes sleep to come upon him.

DAWSON J: That would not matter either.

MR HOWIE:  It would if a reasonable person did not know or

ought to have known.

DAWSON J: What has his knowledge got to do with it?

MR HOWIE:  It is the objective, it is not his knowledge it

is the objective, it is whether a reasonable person

ought to have known of that defect or that

condition which might have caused him to fall

asleep. I mean, that is the element of fault which

has been bought in, I suppose, in one way by Gosney

to overcome what they saw as a Draconian effect of

the legislation, to overcome a person who gets

themselves into a dangerous situation by no fault

of themselves, for example, because a policeman

indicated that they should drive down the wrong

side of the road believing that a policeman at the

other side was going to stop oncoming traffic.

Gosney introduced the element of fault to overcome

that problem. The answer might be, as was said in

Giorgianni, that what is there is an honest and

reasonable mistake of fact, and that is really what

is going on and you do not need the concept of

fault.

BRENNAN J: And what is the notion he ought to have known - or ought to have realized that there was some risk

of falling asleep?

MR HOWIE: Well, that a reasonable man in his position would

have seen that there was a substantial risk of

falling asleep.

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BRENNAN J: It is just that I do not understand that as ever

having been an element, or a consideration, under

the general criminal law, in determining

voluntariness.

MR HOWIE:· No, I know. It is what seems to have happened

in some of these cases like Hill v Baxter and

Spurge to overcome the defence of voluntariness.

In other words, you cannot - what it seems to have

been is that the courts, they have tried to ..... of

this problem of saying, well look the person can

get out of this, as it were, or have a defence of

voluntariness, yet put themselves into a dangerous

situation where they bring about the involuntary

act and they should not escape liability in that

way by saying, because if a person knew or ought to

have known that if it were that they would become

voluntary, they cannot then rely upon the defence

of voluntariness.

BRENNAN J:  I can understand that with regard to those who
.,, know that there is a risk that they are going to go
to sleep, or if they are going to fall under the
influence of the drug they have taken or, arguably,
that the car that they are driving is going to fall
to pieces, but I do not understand the notion of,
"ought to have known" if we concentrate upon the
element of voluntariness, as relating to what
happens at the moment when the danger materializes.
MR HOWIE:  I accept what Your Honour is saying. I am

indicating that that is how this notion seems to

have come about. If you look at Spurge, which is

perhaps the perfect example and we can take

Your Honours back to Spurge, (1961) 2 QB, which is

the mechanical defect case, back to the passage in

fact that Mr Hidden read to Your Honours,

Your Honours can see what is happening and, in

fact, in Spurge, I appreciate Spurge was a case of

dangerous driving, but they were identifying the

dangerousness by the manner dangerous to the

public. If I may read from that portion where it

says:

His Lordship read section 11 ••... If, on a

prosecution under section 11(1), the Crown
proves that a motor-vehicle driven by an

accused -

and that seems to be "ostensibly driven" or

"objectively driven", without any looking at the

question of voluntariness -

in fact endangers the public, that is strong

evidence and, indeed, in any but the most

exceptional circumstances, is likely to be

regarded by the jury as conclusive evidence

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that the accused was driving in a manner

dangerous to the public. If, however, a

motor-car endangers the public solely by
reason of some sudden overwhelming misfortune

suffered by the man at the wheel for which he

is in no way to blame -

this brings in this concept of both involuntariness

and fault -

if, for example, he suddenly has an epileptic

fit or passes into a coma, or is attacked by a

swarm of bees or stunned by a blow on the head

from a stone, then he is not guilty of driving

in a manner dangerous to the public.

And cited is Hill v Baxter.

It would be otherwise if he had felt an illness coming on but had still continued to

drive, for that would have been a manifestly

dangerous thing to do.

Therefore, it seems that if he becomes involuntary

or loses control of the motor vehicle in that

situation, he does not escape it because they are

concerned with what was happening before he lost

control and the element of fault is brought back in

to it.

It is true that in the examples given above it

may be said that in a sense the man at the

wheel was not driving at all, and therefore

not driving dangerously. Indeed, that was the

view expressed by the Divisional Court in Hill

v Baxter, a view with which this court

entirely concurs. But it is also true that

the sudden mischance suffered by the man at

the wheel totally prevented him from

controlling the movements of the motor-car,

and that no fault of his in any way

contributed to the danger. On that ground
also, it seems to this court that even if the

man at the wheel could in any sense be said to

be driving, he would not be guilty of driving

in a manner dangerous to the public.

DAWSON J: So that if, in Hill v Baxter, the man had been

carrying a hive of bees in his back seat, he would

have been guilty?

MR HOWIE: Yes, because a person could have reasonably

foreseen that he might have been attacked by that

swarm of bees and therefore lost control of the

motor vehicle and would be guilty.

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DAWSON J: But it does follow, does it not from what you are

saying, that - let me put it to you this way:

there is an offence of driving in a manner

dangerous without any question of impact or

accident?

MR HOWIE: That is right, yes.

DAWSON J: And it would mean that, for instance, if a man

drove a motor car however well after, say, one

hour's sleep, he would be guilty of an offence of

driving in a manner dangerous?

MR HOWIE:  He could be. because there are two other factors

that come into this in this question of whether or

not the person is driving in a manner dangero~s to

the public, and that is whether there is a real, as

opposed to a speculative, potentiality for danger.

That is the first. So if it is merely speculative,

then he is not driving in a manner dangerous to the

,,, public.

DAWSON J: Well, it is not a fanciful example: for instance

a truck driver who fails to have any of his

statutory rest periods, notwithstanding that he

drives his truck impeccably, he could nevertheless

be charged with driving in a manner dangerous, on

this argument?

MR HOWIE:  Yes, if there is a real and not speculative

danger to the community firstly; and secondly,

that if the manner of driving amounts to a seri ~'lS

breach of the misuse of a motor vehicle. It ha; to

be a serious breach. They are the two matters

which seem, we would submit, in McBride that the

Chief Justice indicates are the way in which you
look at the question of whether or not there is

driving in a manner dangerous to the public as

opposed to driving which is not in a manner

dangerous to the public.

If I could take Your Honours to McBride on

this question, and that is at (1965) 115 CLR, and

if I could take Your Honours to page 49 in the

judgment of the Chief Justice, this is the passage

that is often quoted:

The section speaks of a speed or manner

which is dangerous to the public. This
imports a quality in the speed or manner of

driving which either intrinsically in all

circumstances, or because of the particular

circumstances surrounding the driving -

now, we would say that even if a person is driving

objectively, or on the face of it perfectly

appropriately, one of the circumstances which can

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make it dangerous, nevertheless, is the

circumstances of the particular person driving, or

the circumstances of the defect of the vehicle, or maybe even the circumstances of the road. The car

should not have been even driven at all.

DAWSON J:· It does seem to be referring to the physical

behaviour of the car, does it not, or the vehicle?

MR HOWIE: It reports a quality:

in the speed or manner of driving -

or because -

which either intrinsically, in all the

circumstances, or because of the particular

circumstances surrounding the driving, is in a

real sense potentially dangerous to a human

being or human beings who as a member ..... of
the public may be upon or in the vicinity of
the roadway on which the driving is taking

place.

It is the potentiality for danger which, in effect,

becomes the reality. One does not have to wait for
the car to go off the road for the dangerous

driving to occur, it can occur - the potentiality

is there before the car goes off the road.

DAWSON J: There has to be something of the behaviour of the

car which is dangerous, does there not?

MR HOWIE:  We would suggest not.

DAWSON J: Was it being driven too fast or with - - -

MR HOWIE: It can be. In fact, it can be in the vehicle itself, a dangerous vehicle or it can be in the

person.

DAWSON J: That is an existing physical condition.
MR HOWIE:  We would say in the person as well.
DAWSON J:  You say it can be in the condition of the driver?
MR HOWIE:  Yes, because the condition of the driver could,

in those circumstances, turn the driving which

otherwise objectively might seem to be proper and

safe into a potential danger to the persons on the

road.

McHUGH J:  It has got to be the manner of driving which has

got to be dangerous, does it not?

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MR HOWIE:  If you go to R v Coventry, 59 CLR, and this is

the case has attempted to talk about what is the

manner, at page 638, and I will read it from about

point 6:

It is, in our opinion, wrong to exclude an act

or omission from "manner of driving" because

it is casual or transitory in some senses in

which these somewhat flexible words may be

understood. Such an exclusion may even

suggest that carelessness or inattention may

constitute a defence to a charge under the

relevant provision of the section. Sudden,

even though mistaken, action in a critical

situation may not, in,all the circumstances of
a case, constitute driving to the danger of
the public. But casual behaviour on the roads

and momentary lapses of attention, if they

result in danger to the public, are not

outside the prohibition of that provision

merely because they are casual or momentary. and this is the part we rely upon -

,., Further -
"manner of driving" includes, in our opinion, all matters connected with the management and
control of a car by a driver when it is being
driven.

McHUGH J: But that is different from saying that you are

guilty of driving in a dangerous manner because you

have got a box of bees in the back seat with a

defective lock on it or something.

MR HOWIE:  It is a matter which is connected with the

management and control of a motor vehicle.

DAWSON J: But the next sentence seems to indicate what

Their Honours had in mind.

MR HOWIE, Yes, I am sorry, I was trying to read the whole

thing in context.

It includes starting and stopping, signalling

or failing to signal -

but we would submit that, otherwise, a person who

gets into a motor vehicle in a dangerous condition,

that is for example a person is almost - taking

sleep - drowsy and almost falling asleep, can

hardly keep their eyes open and starts the motor

vehicle is not driving in a manner dangerous to the

public until he falls asleep. We would ~ay that

driving that motor vehicle, in that condition, is a

potential dangerous manner to the - - -

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DAWSON J: That is the point, it is potentially but is not

actual. An epileptic who fails to take his

Dilantin and gets into a motor car and drives

perfectly safely from A to B, he would be

committing an offence, on your test.

MR HOWIE:· Well, he would, provided the two other tests -

that is, that it is a real as opposed to a

speculative potential danger - I mean, we can all

speculate about potential dangers but it has got to

be a real one - and that it amounts to a serious
breach of the conduct of the motor vehicle. And

they, I would say, are the two, if you like, points

which - - -

GAUDRON J: But how do you relate a serious breach of the

conduct of the motor vehicle, whatever that

expression means, with perfectly ordinary driving?

MR HOWIE: Well, it is the driving in that condition which

is the breach. A motor vehicle should not even be used, perhaps this is what the argument has got to

,, be, that the motor vehicle should not even be
driven by a person in that condition.
GAUDRON J:  By an epileptic who has not taken his

medication?

MR HOWIE: If again there is a serious

GAUDRON J:  By a person who has not had he·r eyes tested for

two years?

MR HOWIE: 

But it is a matter then - of whether it amounts to a matter dangerous to a public is a matter for

the jury to assess the risk - - -

GAUDRON J: But how do you relate that, for example, as a

serious breach of conduct - - -

MR HOWIE: Well, it may not be, and therefore it would not

be driving in a manner dangerous to the public.

GAUDRON J: But it just seems to me you· are talking in

circles, Mr Howie.

MR HOWIE: Well, in some ways we are, perhaps, because

driving in a manner dangerous to the public is a

factual matter for a jury to determine in all the
circumstances: the nature of the driving and in all

the circumstances of the driving. You cannot look

at anything in isolation, you have got to look at

all the circumstances to find out whether, in those

circumstances, the driving is a serious breach of

the proper use of a motor vehicle. You cannot just

draw out and say one factor, is that or is that not

driving in a manner dangerous to the public? You

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have got to look at it all, and that is what the

jury does.

DEANE J:  You might say that playing Russian roulette as you

drive along is driving dangerously, even though you

survive the experiment.

MR HOWIE: That is right, and as Justice Barwick is saying,

it is the potentiality for danger. The actual

danger arises when the potentiality comes into

fruition.

DAWSON J: And on your argument it did not matter what

happened after he fell asleep, it did not matter

that he fell asleep, in fact, save that it provided

the impact to - - -

MR HOWIE:  The falling asleep made the potentiality for

danger into actual danger.

.,, DAWSON J: Yes, but it is irrelevant to the commission of

the offence?

MR HOWIE: Well, no, only in that it has got the - - -

DAWSON J: 

I am sorry, I should say it is irrelevant to the commission of the offence at least of driving in a manner dangerous.

MR HOWIE: 

Yes. That is the argument that Kroon is based on. That seems to be. And Kroon is not alone in

that, it seems to run through all of these English
cases. It seems to have come in, as I say, as a
break on the question of voluntariness. The courts
are getting away from the problem that perhaps is
facing this Court, this question of when is an
involuntary act not driving in a manner dangerous
to the public? They are saying, when the
involuntary act occurs through no fault of the
person, because otherwise it seemed to be that the
person can simply escape the liability for the
actual danger presented simply by saying, "Well, I
fell asleep. It became involuntary.  I lost
control of the motor vehicle. There was a defect."
And in Spurge they saw no difference between the
question of whether it was a defect occurring to a
person or a condition of the person or whether it
was a defect in the motor vehicle.

DAWSON J: But there is a distinction, is there not, because

one actually exists? That is, the dangerous

condition of the vehicle is a thing which exists during the whole of the time it is being driven.

MR HOWIE: Potential, yes.

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DAWSON J: Well, no, it is there. If you have got no

brakes, you have got no brakes and on using an

instrument - - -

MR HOWIE:  Yes, but there may be a defect which may or may

not come around for many, many times. It may not

occur or it may occur. In that way, it is a bit

like the sleep or not sleep. It is the

potentiality, and it is a matter for the jury to

assess whether the defect of that vehicle, to drive

that vehicle with that defect, with so serious a

breach of the proper use of the motor vehicle. It

will not be every defect of the motor vehicle which
will give rise to driving in a manner dangerous to

the public. Again, it is an assessment of the
dangerousness presented by the defect of the motor

vehicle.

McHUGH J: But does that mean every time somebody drives a

car with bald tyres that they are guilty of driving

in a manner dangerous because they might get a

blow-out?

MR HOWIE:  No, but they may be in a particular circumstance.

Again, we would only say that you cannot just look

at that and say, "Is it driving in a manner

dangerous to the public?" It is one of the factors

to be considered, the defect, and in the

circumstances and whether the person knew or ought

to have known of the defect, plus how great a risk

of danger was the defect.

TOOHEY J:  If you were driving with that sort of tyre in wet

weather at reasonably high speed, perhaps every

reason to think it would be driving in a manner

dangerous.

MR HOWIE: That is right, but a bald tyre on a perfectly

clear day on a country road is not driving in a

manner dangerous to the public, yet the factors are

the same but the circumstances have changed. But

what gives it the danger to the public is the
condition of the motor vehicle. We would say the

same thing arises from the condition of the person.

BRENNAN J: What about a case on a·country road on a clear

day when one of the tyres bursts and the car goes

to the other side of the road and hits the oncoming

vehicle. What do you say about that?

MR HOWIE:  Again, unless the person knew or ought to have

known - this is what Spurge would say - unless the

person knew or ought to have - no, perhaps it is

the other way round. It is driving in a manner

dangerous to the public unless the person can show

that he did not know or ought not to have known of

the defect in the motor vehicle.

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That was the case in Giorgianni. Mr Renshaw,

the driver in the motor vehicle, had faulty brakes.

The brakes gave way when he was going down the

hill, he lost control of the motor vehicle. That

was a case again where the impact did not occur

till some time after he had lost control of the

motor vehicle through the defects in the brake, but

in Giorgianni, that was said to be a defence or

that he was not guilty of the offence of driving in

a manner dangerous if he did not know or ought to
have known of the condition of the brakes.

If there was some defect in the tyre which he knew or ought to have known about, then he cannot

escape liability, yet if you do not import that

into it, if the vehicle does blow out and it

swerves to the other side of the road, it is

involuntary driving. Even if he knew of the

defect, it would not be driving in a manner

dangerous to the public, because he would say, "I

wasn't driving a - - -"

,,

DAWSON J:  I do not want to repeat myself, but if you as a

driver choose a dangerous instrument to drive, then

you can be said to be driving dangerously,

obviously.

MR HOWIE:  Yes.
MR HOWIE:  Yes.

DAWSON J: But that is a different thing from having a

condition as the driver whi:h may or may not result

in the car being driven dangerously. To use an

intrinsically dangerous instrument is a different

thing.

MR HOWIE: 

We would say that it goes as far as the condition of the driver, him or herself, and that seems to be

the basis of Kroon and that line of authority in
order it seems, as I was saying at the start, to get round the problem of an involuntary act which
occurs where there seems to be some fault of the
accused or the person responsible for the driving
in the fact that the involuntary act occurred.

It may be that another answer is to do what happened in Ryan.

Your Honours, I have not got

Ryan on this, but Ryan was the case of the person who pulled the trigger of a gun when he was holding up a service station person. At the time that he was tying the person up he had a gun in his hand which had the safety catch off and it fired, and

the question came up as to whether that was a
voluntary act, the discharge of the gun, because he
said he was surprised and it was an automatic
reaction. This Court there looked at this question
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of what is the voluntary act that brings about the

consequences. I may be wrong, but perhaps that is

what Your Honour Justice Brennan was referring to

as to whether falling asleep at the wheel was

necessarily a voluntary act where the person gets

into a motor vehicle, drives that motor vehicle

voluntarily, conscious that there is a real risk of

falling asleep, gets tired, starts to close his

eyes. Can one say then that the voluntary

act - - -

BRENNAN J:  The events that follow are voluntary or not.
MR HOWIE: 
That is right.  It was a bit like that in Ryan,

and that is what the court was looking at, to some

degree there looking at the chain of acts to see

what could be seen to be the voluntary act and
whether the consequences that flowed from these

acts could be said to be involuntary.

McHUGH J: 

Your argument seems to involve some subjective factor on the part of the accused, at least in some

cases. If a person with impaired sight drove a
vehicle at a speed excessive for him but not
excessive for people with normal sight, would he be
guilty of dangerous driving?
MR HOWIE:  The subjective element is one of the

circumstances, but I think that must be so because

what - I should not say that we would say that that

is so. It is one of the circumstances in which you

look at - - -

McHUGH J:  So it may be there that it can convict you and it

may acquit you?

MR HOWIE: That is right. It is one of the circumstances

which a jury look at. Are those subjective matters

pertinent to the driver? For example, his driving

experience, or her driving experience - those are

matters whether or not, what a driver might do on the first time behind a wheel might be dangerous
where a driver who has had a lot of experience
behind a wheel might not be driving in a manner
dangerous in those circumstances. We would say
that is another objective fact, even though it has
a subjective element in it, because it is
subjective to the driver, is an objective fact for
the purpose of working out whether or not the
person is driving in a manner dangerous to the
public.

Anyway, that is how it seemed to be that this

case got fought in the district court. It is how

the matter seemed to be considered in the Court of

Criminal Appeal, and the judges were looking at

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this same concept as they did in Kroon, of whether

the person knew or ought to have known.

One other matter which I just referred to

which came up in argument was this question of

whether - and maybe this was a problem in this

trial that it was not centred at what should have

been seen as the driving - that was this question

of whether the "dangerous" is the going off the

roadway and whether that can be identified as the

driving in a manner dangerous to the public, and

whether you can draw inferences from that as to

whether or not the person was a voluntary act. In
fact, there is a line of cases through Coventry,

Hill v Baxter, and Spurge, even Gosney, those cases

that have been referred to all adopt that sort of

approach, that is, you look objectively at the

driving. There is a strong inference that the
driving is voluntary, that the person was in

control. That then puts, it is said to be in all

of these cases, an onus upon the driver to evidence

,,, some matter of - they call it a special
circumstance or a defence - which indicates that,
in fact, the driver was not driving in a manner
dangerous to the public when that vehicle went off
the road.

There is a Canadian case on the list, and I

will not take Your Honours to it, it is called

Zavitz; and there is another one called Lowe in

1974 which I will hand up to Your Honours only

because it is on this point. These Canadian cases

are the Ontario Court of Appeal. That is all I

could find in Canada. Both Lowe and the one I have

put on the list of Zavitz all proceed on this

basis, that is, that you look at the objective

element of the dangerous driving. You can draw a

strong inference of guilt, if you like, or of the

voluntariness action of the driver, and then the

driver then has an onus, an evidentiary onus at

least, to evidence some material or a special

circumstance or, I think in Coventry they called it
the defence of involuntariness, to show that, in

fact, the person was not driving in a manner

dangerous to the public.

I raise Lowe only because of the matter that

flowed between Your Honour Mr Justice McHugh and

·Mr Hidden about the failure of an explanation and

whether the person has some reason for not giving

an explanation of retrograde amnesia. In Canada it

is looked at as being a factor which goes into the

melting pot, as it were, at the end of the day. A

failure to give an explanation because of some

injury or some retrograde amnesia is at the end of the day a matter to be taken into consideration in the Crown's onus to show that it is driving in a

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manner dangerous to the public. But that way of

dealing with this matter did not seem to be the way the matter was left to the jury in this matter; nor did it seem, apart from some statements in

His Honour Mr Justice Lee's judgment in this case

to be the way that these matters have normally been

approached.

DAWSON J: It is interesting they say that there has to be

fault, but the fault consists of the driving

dangerously.

MR HOWIE:  Yes, in fact, they have had a lot of trouble in

Canada because they cannot make up their mind

either whether it is advertent or inadvertent.

DAWSON J: Well, I have not read it obviously carefully, but

it seems to be what they are saying, that the fault

is provided by the fact that your driving falls

below the standard expected of the ordinary

citizen. In other words, the fault is the driving
dangerously.
MR HOWIE:  That is the Gosney test of fault too.

DAWSON J: Well no, it is a little more though, is it not?

MR HOWIE: Is it? Well, I think they refer to Gosney in

Lowe as where this is an element - of finding the

element of the offence.

DAWSON J: 

I am looking at the bottom of page 197 and the top of 198. If it is clear that fault is an

essential element, that that fault may be found in
the departure from the standard of care of a
prudent driver, which is, as I understand it, that
fault is the dangerous driving itself.
MR HOWIE:  That is right, yes.
DAWSON J: Well, I do not understand that either.

MR HOWIE: 

Yes, well I suppose again, though, they are trying to import that into situations which might

be covered by an honest but reasonable mistake of
fact. They are saying, well, that is really no
fault because a prudent driver would have made the
same mistake. Anyway, I just refer Your Honours to
Lowe because that is the track it is going down to
in Canada and it raised the matter that was being
discussed earlier in the day.
GAUDRON J:  Mr Howie, can I ask you this? I take it that

the case was conducted by the Crown on the basis,

and only on the basis, that the accused, the

applicant in this case, fell asleep?

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MR HOWIE:  Yes, but that he knew that 1e had a risk of

falling asleep; that he got t~red and closed his

eyes as a consequence of getting tired.

GAUDRON Jc Yes, I see. Well there is no question of his

having deliberately driven with his eyes closed

what might be some new form wilful blindness?

MR HOWIE:  No, I do not think so.

McHUGH J: What about his statement from the dock at

page 22, line 24.

MR HOWIE:  I do not think it was ever suggested that he

closed his E-'19S - when you ay "deliberately",

maybe he clo3ed his eyes iberately because he

was getting tired and closed his eyes as a

consequence of that, but not for any other ~eason

deliberately.

,, GAUDRON J: Well, his eyes closed.
MR HOWIE:  His eyes closed.
GAUDRON J:  Right. And the Crown case was that he knew he

was at risk, not that he ought to have known?

MR HOWIE:  No, I do not think it was ever left on that

basis at all - no, that he knew and we say that

that is from His Honour's summation of the Crown

case, that that is wh~t the Crown was saying, that

he knew that there wa::, a premonition of sleep, if

you like.

GAUDRON J: And so it was being asked to be - that knowledge

was being asked to be inferred from what evidence?

MR HOWIE:  Well, from firstly, I think, the first answer

that he gave to the police when they asked him what

happened, "I fell asleep". The Crown might say, "Well in the normal circumstance, if you had not
had a premonition of sleep, or had not felt tired,
your answer might have been, 'I do not know what
happened, the next thing I was going towards the
tree'. The fact that you answer to a policeman who
asks you what happened, "I fell asleep" is an
indication that you know what happened, you fell
asleep because you were tired".
GAUDRON J:  I do not want the jury address, Mr Howie
MR HOWIE:  Your Honour, I am sorry - old habits die hard.
GAUDRON J:  - just the items of evidence on which you

would rely.

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MR HOWIE:  But that is an inference we say was open to a

jury on that matter.

McHUGH J: Well, there is stronger evidence at page 19

and - - -

MR HOWIE:  Yes, I was coming to the next one and the next

one is in the record of interview, when he was

asked about, had he felt tired. We would say the

same inference was open that Your Honour

Mr Justice McHugh was drawing before, that the

answer to that is almost an explanation and an

apologia to the fact that he did. An explanation

in that the heater was on and an apologia in that,

look I was going to stop at the next town. The
could look at the circumstances in which he did jury could take it on that basis. Plus the jury
fall asleep and the· short term of the driving and

say, "Look," if you like, "he must have known" or "he did know, it is evidenced by those questions,

but it is also evidence that anybody would know in those circumstances". But it was never put on the

,,. basis of "ought to have known".

It seems - and that is the whole way the case

was based. The Crown said he knew he got tired, he

closed his eyes as a consequence of getting tired,

he knew he was getting tired, he closed his eyes.

The defence case was, "No, we didn't. We had no

awareness. It was just a sudden onset of sleep".

And the jury were left on that basis, really, for

determining whether, in those circumstances, he was

driving in a manner dangerous to the public.

GAUDRON J: And the onus was on the Crown at all stages then

to prove -

MR HOWIE:  Yes, I think that is made quite clear. I do not

think there is any reference to a changing onus or

anything else. It was for the Crown - - -

GAUDRON J: The onus is not necessarily made entirely clear,

is it, on that issue?

MR HOWIE: Well, only that there is never any reference to -

I mean, as I read it, the whole reference, any

reference to onus is upon the Crown. It was for

the Crown to convince the jury that he was driving

in a manner dangerous to the public. It would have
been, we would say, unlikely that -

GAUDRON J: But in the circumstances of this case, on the

Crown case, that meant the onus was on the Crown to

prove beyond reasonable doubt that he knew that he

was tired, and so tired that there was a risk of

his falling asleep.

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MR HOWIE: Well, so tired that he closed his eyes as a

consequence to it and that was the manner

dangerous. I am sorry, am I avoiding the question?

GAUDRON Jr Yes.

MR HOWIE:  No, I think - I mean, I am only
GAUDRON J:  It could not simply be that he knew he was

tired. I mean, I know I am tired in circumstances in which I am at no risk of falling asleep at all.

MR HOWIE:  No, that is right, but as a consequence of

feeling tired he closed his eyes, and that was the

manner dangerous. That it ~as not a sudden onset

thing that he closed his eyes - - -

GAUDRON J: Well, I am asking what the knowledge was in

respect of which you accept the Crown bore an onus

of proof in this case.

.,

MR HOWIE: Well, that from things that he said to the police

clearly indicate - well, we say it was open to a

jury to infer that from those things he knew that

he was becoming tired and closed his eyes. As a

consequence of becoming tired, not as a consequence

of some sudden onset of sleep of which he could not

have been aware.

GAUDRON J:  I find, from that answer - if you say that is

the way the case was left to the jury, I would

simply not understand what it is that the jury were

asked to find beyond reasonable doubt.

MR HOWIE:  I am only trying to take that from the summing up

as I see that what His Honour said to the jury as

to what the Crown was saying. And it really only

comes from that short statement where he was

summarizing what he said was the Crown's

contention.

DEANE J: When you look at section 4(1) of the Traffic Act

which, of course, is the section that is most often
concerned with driving in a manner dangerous, it

does give a little more weight to the suggestion

that driving in a manner which is dangerous to the

public refers to the way the car is manoeuvred, as

it were, rather than to the action or the condition

of the driver. I was just wondering if there is

anything you would like to say in relation to that?

MR HOWIE:  No, only that I suppose one would have thought

that perhaps the concept of speed is a little

curious. I mean, one would have thought that a

speed dangerous was always going to be a manner

dangerous.

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DEANE J: Speed is, obviously, objective - - -

MR HOWIE: Yes.

DEANE J:  - - - and the things before negligently,

~uriously, or recklessly look to the conduct of the driver than, one would have thought, as a matter of

just language, there would be something to be said

for the view that you then move into a different

area, and that is what the car does.

MR HOWIE:  By reason of speed or manner?

DEANE J: Yes.

MR HOWIE: Perhaps not, perhaps one can still import into

that the subjective matters which are involved in furiously, recklessly and negligently. I can see

what Your Honour is saying. No, I do not

know -

DEANE J:  It is very hard to work out why, in this case, you

would say:

in a manner which is dangerous to the public

was the appropriate description rather than

recklessly?

MR HOWIE:  Yes, if you were just looking at 4?

DEANE J: Yes.

MR HOWIE:  Yes. You can go on many of those things, I

think, and equate many of the instances of driving

as one or other of those concepts. They seem to

have just tended to cover completely the field that

they intended to cover whether or not there is some

overlap between them.

DEANE J: Yes, but the point I was making is you have got

negliently, furiously, recklessly, which seems to

be a gradation in terms of a conduct.

MR HOWIE:  Of the person.

DEANE J: You then go to something that the car does. If

there were nothing more I think I would have read
the next one as fitting into the context of

something the car does.

MR HOWIE: Yes. No, I cannot add anything to that. I have

not gone back to the history to see how all those

things came to go in there. These offences have a

very long history and I do not know that they were

all put together at the one time with any sort of

view about what they meant. I think they may have
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all come to be put in at various times and in

various ways, but I have not got the history of the

section with me.

McHUGH J: They were put in because, among other things, the

old section 54 did not get enough convictions.

MR HOWIE:  Old manslaughter did not.

McHUGH J: No, section 54 of the Crimes Act, "negligent

act" .

MR HOWIE: 

Negligent act, cause grievous bodily harm. have imported 54, of course. It has been held that

They

54 has the same standard as manslaughter, so a very

high standard of negligence required, and the

trouble with the Crown proving to that level. That

is how they came to go into the Crimes Act, yes,
but I am not sure how they came to go into section

4.       I do not know that they were all put into

., section 4 at the same time with any sort of
draftsman's view about what they each meant and how
they went together. I am not quite sure if that
that is so. My learned friend reminds me, if Your
Honours wish to see that, that the history of it
may be in Buttsworth, which seems to look at
everything to ever deal with motor vehicles. I
have nothing further, thank you, Your Honours.

MASON CJ: Thank you, Mr Howie. Mr Hidden?

MR HIDDEN:  Your Honours, only this perhaps: in so far as

Kroon, if it be accepted as a correct statement of

the law, speaks of what a driver knew or ought to

have known, as far as the onset of sleep is
concerned, it may be preferable to speak in the

terms in which Sir Frederick Jordan spoke in Dennis

v Watt, of whether there was warning of impending

sleep. The only reason for that, Your Honours, is that to say whether a driver knew or ought to have known that he might fall asleep, no doubt,
accurately expounds the test but no two people have
the same capacity to fall asleep at the same time
or in the same circumstances. There is not a mean
average, in that respect. Some people are
incredible stayers; other people could not drive
for more than about two hours before having to take
a rest; others can drive for much longer.

So that, in a sense, while the test is

objective - while the "ought to have known" test is
objective, it must to a certain extent be related

to the individual behind the wheel, and for that

reason it may be safer to speak of whether the jury
is satisfied on the whole of the evidence that the

d~iver had a warning of the possibility of

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impending sleep. That is the only matter which I

wish to raise.

BRENNAN J:  Mr Hidden, just before you resume your seat, I

want to draw your attention to a sentence that I have been looking at in Ryan, to see whether you have any - - -

MR HIDDEN:  In Ryan v Reg, Your Honour? Yes, I do not have

it with me, Your Honour.

BRENNAN J:  You will recollect the different ways in which

the case may have been put in terms of the

causation of the death that ultimately occurred,

and one of the ways in which it was said that it

could be put was the presentation of the gun

simpliciter which may have caused the death. The
Chief Justice said, at page 218 in 121 CLR:

That presentation in the setting of its

circumstances must cause the death. It seems

to me that it could only be held to do so if

the unwilled discharge of the gun ought to

have been in the contemplation of the

applicant at the time.

MR HIDDEN:  Of presentation of it?
BRENNAN J:  In other words, the presentation of the gun was

held capable of being regarded as the cause of

death if the presentation was voluntary, even

though the subsequent act- of discharging of the gun

which was the immediate cause of death was

involuntary, provided there was a contemplation of

that subsequent involuntary act. Now, why is it
that one cannot, by a parity of reasoning, say that

if it is in contemplation of a driver of a car that

whilst he is still physically in control of the car

he will be driving it in a manner dangerous in the

sense that he is asleep or his eyes are closed

while the car is proceeding, it cannot be regarded

as a voluntary act of driving at the moment when it

is dangerous?

MR HIDDEN1 Because of the terms of the section,

Your Honour, murder requires an act causing death, that there need be no temporal link between the two. An act might cause someone's death months later. It is then murder. But the section does require a high degree of contemporaneity between

the driving in a manner dangerous and the impact,

and the impact must cause death.

BRENNAN J: Or at the time of leaving the roadway, is it

not? Section 52A, is it not?

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MR HIDDEN:  Yes, section 52A. As I recall it, Your Honour,

what this Court was speaking about in Ryan was that

identifying the act which causes death is a

question of fact for the jury and it was open to
the jury to say that the voluntary act causing
death was not necessarily the pulling of the

trigger, but it could have been some antecedent

act.

BRENNAN J: Then the question is whether or not the

subsequent event of the discharge of the gun was

accidental.

MR HIDDEN: Well yes, I suppose so. But provided the jury

was satisfied that the pointing of the gun was a

voluntary act, then for the purpose of Ryan, which

of course was a felony murder case, it mattered not

whether the discharge of the weapon was accidental.

If the presentation of the gun were the voluntary

,., act then there was an act causing death, and
because it was felony murder and they had to be no
specific intent proved, there was your crime.
Whereas culpable driving requires death caused by impact at a time when a vehicle is being driven
in a manner dangerous to the public, and there must
be close contemporaneity, if not precise
contemporaneity. If the Court pleases.
MASON CJ:  Thank you, Mr Hidden. The Court will consider

its decision.

AT 4.10 PM THE MATTER WAS ADJOURNED SINE DIE

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