Kenney v The Queen; Perkins v The Queen

Case

[1990] HCATrans 182

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IN THE HIGH COURT OF AUSTRALIA

Office of the Registry

Adelaide No A9 of 1990

B e t w e e n -

IRENE KENNEY

Applicant

and

THE QUEEN

Respondent

Office of the Registry

Adelaide No All of 1990

B e t w e e n -

WESLEY HAROLD PERKINS

Applicant

and

THE QUEEN

Respondent

Applications for special

leave to appeal

MASON CJ
BRENNAN J
DEANE J

TOOHEY J

GAUDRON J

TRANSCRIPT OF PROCEEDINGS

AT ADELAIDE ON WEDNESDAY. 22 AUGUST 1990. AT 10,18 AM

Copyright in the High Court of Australia

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MR s. TILMOUTH. QC:  May it please the Court, I appear with

my learned friend, MS T.M. JOHNSON, for the

applicant Kenney. (instructed by the Legal

Services Commission)

MS M. SHAW:  May it please the Court,! appear with my

learned friend, MR M.A. GRIFFIN, for the applicant

Perkins. (instructed by Rainford and Associates)

MR J.J .. DOYLE, OC, Solicitor-General for the State of South

Australia: If the Court pleases, I appear with
MSG. DAVISON. for the respondent in both matters.

(instructed by the Crown Solicitor for the State of

South Australia.

MASON CJ: Yes, Mr Tilmouth.

MR TILMOUTH:  May it please Your Honours, I understand

Your Honours already have the outline of

submissions.

MASON CJ:  We have.
MR- TILMOUTH:  May it please the Court, the appeal obviously

from the outline focuses upon the evidence of one
witness, a Crown witness who gave evidence against

Mrs Kenney at her trial, and the effect of that evidence, was on one reading of it at least,

virtually a complete confession; on another

reading, in any event, it was clearly very damaging

evidence to her.

Your Honours, the witness in question was the

witness Turrell and very briefly before going to

his evidence for a few passages, his relationship

with Mrs Kenney was as followaa he knew the

Kenney• for some years beforehand through their son

fr011l school days apparently. He also at relevant

times was living with and later married a woman by

the name of Shearer. Shearer was related to Mr
Kenney who, of course, died in the fire in August

1987. It followed, therefore, that Turrell knew

through those two avenues the Kanney• in a general

kind of way. What had happened however, Your Honours, was

that when Shearer left the man who i• referred to

throughout the paper as Raad she took up living almost 'mediately with Turrell and there was a

great deal of acrimony, animosity, squabbles over

custody of a child and so on, to the point where

Raad was harassing them and indNd to a point where

Turrell acquired an illegal sawn-off shotgun to protect th- fr011l him, such was their degree of fear of Raad.

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The involvement of Read was - and it runs

like a thread throughout the whole of the

evidence - that he was an intermediary between

Perkins, whose house was burnt of course, and Mr

Kenney on the Crown case who was hired on the Crown

case to set fire to the house. So the references

throughout to Read are important, not only because

they show a relationship between Turrell and the and the firing of the house.

kenneys beforehand, but they were the link that the

Read was, incidentally, not charged in the superior courts, Your Honours.

He was charged in

the lower court but no case to answer was found

against him because there was no direct evidence of

his involvement. It was, to summarize it in a

word, all hearsay or indirect evidence.

Your Honours, our submission is this in

effect. I have already referred to the gun - the
sawn-off shotgun that Turrell acquired. He

acquired it in fact shortly before, it seems,

Christmas 1987 when this conversation occurred, for the purpose of protection as I have mentioned.

Later on in the next year, it is imprecise when, the gun went off in a car-park of a supermarket in

Adelaide and Shearer was shot, she was injured and

went to hospital. Turrell was taken to the police

station where he was questioned about the gun going

off and the long and short of the evidence is, in

our submission, that Turrell at that time was

facing potentially very serious charges relating
to, not perhaps the accidental discharge of the gun

which he purported to say was the cause of the

accident, but perhaps relating to a deliberate

assault upon Shearer.

The effect of the evidence is, in our

submission, that at that time he mentioned to the

police that he had the gun.which was illegal - was

unregistered, uninsured and cut down and so on - to

protect himself and Shearer from Read and the

police then said to him, "Well, we have been after

Read for a number of years. If you can give us

information about Read well then it might have an
effect perhaps on the charges or the seriousness of
the charges or, indeed, on the outcome so far as

penalty is concerned". Now, there are arguments

both ways about how high that went but, in our

submission, the evidence is capable of that

interpretation quite plainly.

What we submit, Your Honours, is that Turrell plainly had a twin motive for telling lies or

implicating Read and/or Mrs Kenney because of those

events but the one motive, of course, was because

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Read was harassing them so badly that any reason he

could implicate Read in other matters might be a

way of getting him off their backs, as it were, but

more importantly, our submission is, that the

evidence plainly shows that Turrell believed that

if he gave information about Read, and then about

the fire, that that would help either the charges

he ultimately faced and certainly the penalty which

he faced.

Our argument is following from that,

irrespective of Davies case and the closed category

so far of accomplices that, not only was the danger

in the way we have submitted it plain, but the

policy behind what gave rise to the Davies rules,

namely, that a witness who was in a position to

bargain, as it were, with respect to the charges

which he faced or the penalty which was ultimately

given, is the very sort of witness who has the very
type of motive to lie, and that of course was the

policy reason behind the corroboration rule.

Our submission is, that excepting Davies case

for the moment that this Court in Bromley and

Karpany and Longman, cast itself more widely than

simply saying a judge has a general discretion.

This Court, in our respectful submission, said,

"Where there is a perceptible risk of miscarriage a

judge ought to give a warning", and that really is

the essence of our appeal, and it follows that we

say of course that the trial judge gave no such

warning.

Certainly, Your Honours, he never referred to

what we submit is the central factor, that is in

relation to the charges and how Turrell's going to

the police arose, and we say further that, with
respect, the Court of Criminal Appeal's error was -
and this really is the special leave point - to too

narrowly confine this Court's decision in Longman

and Bromley and Karpany, by confining them to the

cases of witnesses such as witnesses with a mental
condition which required a separate warning. We

submit that this Court was casting general

principles more widely than the narrow confines of

the facts of those two cases.

Your Honours, without wanting to read very

much of the evidence of Turrell could I endeavour

to shortly take Your Honours to key passages. His

evidence is in book II and his evidence commences,

for general purposes, at page 514. Your Honours,

what happened here was, Your Honours will recall

that the house was burnt down in August 1987,

Turrell and Shearer had come to Mrs Kenney's house

on New Year's Eve 1987 where there was a New Year's

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Eve party and also because they were moving house

in order to avoid Read finding out where they were. There was a conversation struck up on the

evidence before midnight between Shearer, Turrell,

Mrs Kenney and perhaps some other people were

present; one of them was Mrs Kenney's elderly

mother in the house, at least or nearby; one was a

Mrs George who was a defence witness in the trial

court and children who were not relevant because

they were going in and out. The key conversation,

Your Honours, is at the bottom of 514, and it began

at about line 25, as follows:

Q. Was there talk about the sort of trouble,

and did you say anything to her about what was

happening.

A. Yes, the harassment over my being with

Tracy and his child and him wanting to see his

child and that.

The "him" is a reference to Read.

Q. Was that in fact happening.
A. Yes, we were being harassed by him.
Q. Did Mrs Kenney say anything.

A. Yes, she said there was a way she could stop him for causing trouble.

Q. Did she go on to say what that way was.
A. Yes, she was explaining the fire was an

insurance job, and Andy had set it all up.

Andy is Andy Read.

Q. Who said that.

A. Irene did.

That is Irene Kenney the applicant. Page 515:

Q. What did she actually say, try and think

of the words she used ..

Line 3: 

"There is a way I can fix his little red

wagon, stop him causing trouble', and then

went on to explain about the fire.

"The red wagon", Your Honours, is a reference to a

red van that Read apparently used and drove. And
further down, Your Honours, at line 13:

Q. There was talk about a fire. and I said 'Yes', she said 'It was an

insurance job, a set up. Graham was supposed

to get a thousand dollars for lighting the

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fire, and Andy was getting paid for setting it

all up', and that was just about it, explained

that it was an insurance job, and that if she

told the police, then he would get done for

it, and he wouldn't be able to harass us.

So, that was the Crown evidence in-chief and

clearly, I would submit, on any view it was very

damaging. As I put it to Your Honours it was

capable of being virtually a complete confession to
both offences that she was charged with at that

time.

The evidence however, Your Honours, about how

this matter came to the attention of police is a

different matter. The evidence was that Turrell

did not mention it to the police until April of the

following year, 1988, and on our submission on a

fair reading of the evidence, arising out of the

fact that he had been charged with the gun

offences. The evidence about that is scattered,

Your Honours, but the key passages commence at

about page 526, and at this stage I simply

paraphrase to gain the sense of it, but

Your Honours will see at about line 9:

that Tracy got shot in the leg with this gun.

Line 12 that it happened:

at a supermarket parking lot at Port Adelaide.

She was taken to hospital, as a consequence, line

15; he was taken to the police station, line 17,

and at lines 19-21, he understood that he: might be on serious charges.

And he then purported to say, at line 28 that:

The gun discharged itself.

In other words, that it was an accident. But at

the bottom of 526 and 527 is an important piece of

evidence, line 37:

Q. But at all events, when you were first

taken to the police station there were

suggestions that it might be more serious

charges going beyond a mere accident, weren't

there.

A. That is right.

Q. And the situation is eventually that you were charged with certain offences after the

police spoke with Tracy, weren't you.

A. That is right.

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Q. And those offences included offences

related to the unregistered use of the gun.

Line 9:

..... unregistered, uninsured and unlicensed.

So, clearly when he was taken to the police station there was a suggestion, at least, in his mind that

he might be facing an offence involving a wilful

shooting rather than an accidental discharge. And

at line 22, some flesh is added to that, still page

527:

Q. And at that stage -

That is the arrest stage when he is at the police

station -

things looked pretty bad for you, didn't they.

A. Yes, pretty bad.
Q. And you were worried that something more

than an incident -

that may be accident or the sense of it may be

accident, Your Honours -

had happened.

A. Yes.

Q. Isn't it the position that about that time Tracy had been talking with you about <lobbing

in Andy Reid.

A. Yes.

And there is some evidence about that,

Your Honours, but again hoping not to misread it

picking key passages, the next I go to is at 529,

at line 23:

Q. And is it not the position that there was

a discussion between you and the police, the
effect of which was, that if you could give

information about Andy Reid that might go lightly on the charges you were facing in
relation to the gun.
A. That's right.
Q. And did the police say they wanted to get
or wanted information about him.
A. Yes.
Q. And this happened on a number of occasions
didn't it.
A. Yes.
Q. The police spoke to you a number of times.
A. Yeah.
Q. And the effect of it is isn't it that you
first gave a statement about this New Year
incident only after you had several
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discussions with the police, the sum of which

discussions were that information you gave

might assist you with the charges.
A. That's right.

Q. In fact suggestions were made were they
not that the charges or the outcome might go a
lot lighter for you if you gave the police

information.

A. That's right.

Q. And the police came down to see you a

number of times in relation to that, is that

right.

A. That's right.

And, Your Honours, at 531, line 19:

Q. So this accident occurred and you found

yourself possibly in a situation where you

might be charged with serious matters going

beyond mere unlawful possession of a gun and

perhaps indicative of a deliberate assault.

A. Right.

Q. Subsequently there were different and

lesser charges.

A. Yes.
Q. Subsequently you pleaded guilty in June of

1988 to lesser charges.

A. Right.

Q. And irrespective of what may or may not

have been said by the police, your belief was

that the information you would give would help

you significantly on those charges.

A. That's right.

And likewise, at 532, Your Honours, I was putting

to him that he first went to the police in about

April, line 13. His evidence was earlier, page

524, it was about April although he could not agree

with the exact date, and then this was asked at

line 22:

Q. So you gave your statement to police, if
those dates are right, within about five or
six weeks of going to court didn't you.
A. Yes.
Q. In the hope that it would significantly
help your penalty.
A. Yes.
Q. And it was the fir~t time that you had
raised this issue.
A. That's right.
Q. With Detective Kokegei.
A. That's right.
Q. In the context of negotiating the outcome
of your charges.
A. Yes.
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And at 533, Your Honours, I pressed Turrell as to
why it took so long for him, apart from what had

already transpired, to go to the police and give
information about this matter, particularly since

during relevant times he and Shearer wanted Reid

off their backs, and the implicit argument was,

"Well, you had the perfect reason to tell the

police about him. Why did you not to do it

earlier?", and his answer was this, may it please

Your Honours, I begin from line 23 to introduce it

properly:

Q. And your belief was that by giving that

information, and it wouldn't cause any effect

on Mrs Kenney.

A. That's right.

Q. You had no reason to believe that she

would be in trouble.

A. That's right.

Q. And what I'm saying to you is the reason

why you left this so late was that it never

happened, the conversation on New Year's Eve

never happened.

And his answer was this:

The reason it was left so late is because I

let Tracy do all the talking. They asked me,

right, I went to the Port Adelaide police

station where they locked me up -

And, Your Honours, this seems to be a reference to

when he was taken back immediately after the

discharge of the gun in the supermarket car-park -

where they locked me up and I got out on my

own accordance and when they asked me why I

had the gun I told them it was because of Andy

Reid they said 'We have been after Andy for a

long time now can you give us any

information'. I said 'Not myself because I

don't know nothing on him'. That's when I

mentioned about Tracy.

And over on to 534, Your Honours, I leave out a few

lines, line 11:

Q. Isn't the position you really decided to

give this information because by that time you

were deciding that you were going to look

after yours first.

A. Well the police officer come to me when I

went to the courthouse, to the police station.

Now, pausing there again, Your Honours, the best ·

reading of it seems still at the time when he was

first about to be charged with the respects of the

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discharge of the firearm. It may be otherwise, but

that appears to be the context.

The policeman come into me when I was taken to

the back room where I was being held because

they heard why I had the gun, right, and they

said they were after him -

that is Andy Reid -

and they wanted to know if I knew anything

else about him. I said 'I think Tracy does'.

They went and seen Tracy. That was the reason why.

Q. Did the police say to you that they had

been trying to get Andy Reid for five years.

A. That's right.

Q. And if you could come up with any

information that would help you on your case.

A. Yes, that's right.
Q. And you didn't tell them about this

conversation on New Year's Eve at this stage.

A. No, I wanted to stay out of all of her

family domestics as it was.

So, Your Honours, there are other passages it is true and I hope I do not do injustice to the sense

of Turrell's evidence but, in my submission, they are the key passages and what they come to, in my

submission, is this on a fair reading. Turrell

says that he was present on New Year's Eve when

plainly a very damaging conversation occurred

implicating Mrs Kenney in the fire and Shearer, at
that time, had every reason to go to the police

with any .information which might help them get Reid

off their backs. He did not do so.

More that that it is plain, in my respectful

submission, that the sine qua non of him going to

the police and making a statement which must have

been a statement in accordance with his evidence,

arose directly out of the charges or the

negotiations between the time of the original

charges and the court hearing in June 1988,

specifically out of, on the one hand, the clear

police desire on his evidence to get information

regarding Reid - clearly his evidence was that they

were keen to do it; they said it on a number of

occasions they came back to him - and on the other

hand, the other twin reason is that he plainly

thought that by giving information it might affect

both the seriousness of the original charge that

was laid against him or, perhaps later prosecuted,

and in all events clearly the penalty that might be

the outcome.

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It is clear as well, of course, that when he went to court in June that there were lesser

charges, simply the unregistered unlicensed firearm
et cetera, regulatory type offences rather than

mens rea offences and his plea in the court below -

I did not read the passage - but the plea included

a plea that he was going to help the police as part

of the mitigation.

So, Your Honours, one might argue a little bit

about emphasis but, in my respectful submission,

Turrell's evidence arose out of that very situation

and, in my respectful submission, to lawyers at

least, that kind of context gave every reason to be suspicious, to use a neutral phrase for the moment,

about his evidence. And as I mentioned earlier,

Your Honours, without labouring the point, there is

a considerable degree of parallel between the very

factors that motivated Turrell to go to the police

and then give evidence with the situation in which

commonly informers give evidence.

Your Honours, His Honour's summing up did not deal with this central theme about the context of

Turrell's disclosure arising from the context of

his charges.

BRENNAN J: 

Mr Tilmouth, before you come to that, the proposition is, in essence I suppose, that the

circumstances gave rise to a motive to fabricate
this allegation, the motive being to fabricate an
allegation against Reid, and the manner in which
that motive, if it was implemented, was not to
attribute to Reid any admission but to attribute
the admission to Mrs Kenney?
MR TILMOUTH:  Yes.

BRENNAN J: Well, now, does that make a difference from the

line of argument that you were seeking to draw?

MR TILMOUTH:  I can see, with respect, what Your Honour is
driving at but Your Honour may remember I read a

passage where Turrell said he did not think that he

was implicating Mrs Kenney and the fact of the

matter is, as we know, that he was directly

implicating her, but he did not believe that he was

implicating her at all. It is true, therefore,

that he does not have a direct motive against

Mrs Kenney but he did not realize that. He had the

motive that Your Honour mentions and, perhaps, also

the other motive of wanting to do something serious

to get Reid off his back. But I accept what

Your Honour says, there was no direct link with

Mrs Kenney but he did not realize that.

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BRENNAN J: That may be so, but it does make this case stand

apart from the accomplice cases, does it not?

MR TILMOUTH: Well, it does in that sense but it does not

alter, in my respectful submission, one jot the
fact that the motivation still gives rise to

substantial doubts about his evidence, and he

believed that to be the case. The fact that in the

end result it did not turn out to be a motive

directly against Mrs Kenney is of no influence on

the doubtful circumstances in which he went to the

police. It just had an unexpected effect, in my

submission.

BRENNAN J: Your argument does have this implication, does

it not, that if in the course of evidence there

appears to be a motive which is attributable to a

material witness in relation to the material

evidence that that witness gives it is a duty on

the part of the trial judge to warn the jury that

it may be unsafe, in the light of that motive, to

act upon that evidence.

MR TILMOUTH:  Yes, I agree with that.

BRENNAN J: It is a very broad proposition.

MR TILMOUTH: Well, with respect, I accept that my case

would be stronger if there were a direct motive to

lie against Mrs Kenney but, in my submission, there

is really no cause and effect as it were here

because Turrell went to the police believing,

perhaps, that he was only implicating Reid but,

nevertheless, the very reason that he went to the

police is doubtful for the same reason, and the
fact that it happened to implicate Mrs Kenney in

the end result does not affect that doubt in the first place arising. But I accept that if there

was also a direct motive against Mrs Kenney the

case would be stronger, but it does not alter the

original basis upon which he came forward which

clearly were, in doubtful circumstances as I put it

to the Court, the charges were to sine qua non of

him coming forward. But, in any event, I would

submit, I would be saved by the policy

considerations which I have already outlined to the

Court which do very strongly parallel the

accomplice policy considerations.

Your Honours, coming to the summing up, that

is in book IV, and the passages are few;

His Honour mentioned the evidence at 1114,

Your Honours, in the context of summarizing the

Crown case, and I read it because it shows what I have put to Your Honours that it was clearly damaging. Line 18 on 1114:

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There is the evidence of Mrs Kenney's

alleged statement to Mr Turrell. It is of
course only admissible against her. If true

it is a very damaging item of evidence. It

would explain her presence and that of her

late husband at the scene. It would explain

what there was in it for them if they were

implicated in the burning down of the house.

It would point to a link between Mr Perkins and the Kenneys, Mr Andy Read. If her

statement is true he set it up and did so for

a payment of $5,000 to him and $1,000 to Mr

Kenney. Mr Andy Read is the father of a child

to the Kenneys' niece.

That the woman, Shearer, that I have referred to.

Mr Perkins' evidence is that it was Mr Andy

Read who was asked to look after his place while he was away as well as being an acquaintance of him. Given the potentially

damaging effect of the statement you must look

closely at the evidence -

and, with respect, that is, in our submission, the

closest His Honour gets to any warning at all -

including that of Mrs George, the lady called

by -

counsel -

and who was present for some of the time on

New Years Eve at the end of 1987. You must

take account of the criticisms of -

it reads "her", but it may well be "him" -

including Mr Turrell's delay in corning forward with explanation and the discrepancy as to the

time of Mrs Kenney's alleged statement.

I leave out the next few lines, Your Honours. The

effect of that was Mrs George gave evidence that

she was there until after midnight because it was a

New Year's Eve party and she was genuinely present

and heard no such conversation. That is what that

next passage relates to. Then, I read on from

line 22:

My task is to summarise the cases put

forward by the Crown and the two accused and I

have in a large measure dealt with their

respective cases in addressing the various

items of evidence which I have seen fit to

mention so far. In those circumstances it is

sufficient if, during the remainder of my

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summing up, I refer in brief to the salient

features of the cases which have been

presented to you.

Now, what is happening here, with respect, is that

His Honour has moved from the directions at 1114 to

1115, from general directions to now putting the

respective cases and His Honour then goes on to put

the case for the defence on the issue with respect

to the Turrell evidence at 1118, at line 31:

Mrs Kenney, through her counsel, Mr

Tilmouth, maintained with respect to the

conspiracy charge, that there was no evidence

of any connection between Mr Perkins and Mrs

Kenney. Now, of course, the Crown says you

could infer such a link, namely through Mr

Andy Read. You will, however, consider this

very carefully what Mr Tilmouth said in that

respect. Very fairly he conceded that the

parties to a conspiracy -

et cetera, and it goes off on to another

subject-matter, and then His Honour continues with

this issue at about line 23 on 1119, as follows:

But as I have explained to you, the cases

against each must be considered separately.

They turn on different evidence, and in the

case of the conspiracy charge, in Mrs Kenney's
instance, the Crown could not, as a matter of
practical reality, succeed unless you accept
the evidence of Mr Turrell as to the alleged

New Year's Eve conversation with Mrs Kenney.

Now, as Your Honours know, she was convicted

originally on the conspiracy charge although that

was overturned on appeal but plainly the jury must

have, in the conviction, given that direction, have

acted on and accepted Turrell's evidence.

At page 1120, Your Honours, and this is the

last passage I read, at line 4 - and this is where

His Honour is putting the defence case with respect

to Turrell:

As to Mr Turrell's evidence, Mrs Kenney,

through her counsel, emphasizes that he took

some months before saying anything about it to

detectives, and that alone casts doubt on it.

Mr Tilmouth argues further that the alleged

admission was lacking in detail. He refers to

Mr Turrell's evidence that he didn't say

anything about it earlier, because it was
Tracy Shearer's problem, not his, whereas Mr

Turrell's action in buying a gun, so it was

put to him, was suggestive that the whole

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problem of Andy Read was very much his, as

well as Tracy's.

He seized also on the words that Mr

Turrell used to the police at one stage about

Mr Andy Read:

'I didn't know nothing of Andy Read'.

You must, of course, consider that in the

context of his evidence as a whole.

Mr Tilmouth argued also that if Mr

Turrell and Tracy Shearer were so desperate

about Andy Read, why didn't they use this

information about her earlier?

He pointed also to the lack of motive, as

he put it, on the part of Mrs Kenney, to say

such a thing, and the fact that if she said

those things, it would be implicating herself

in a serious crime; and he drew attention to

the evidence of Mrs George, and her evidence

as to timing, which she said, indicates she

must have been present at the relevant time.

So you were invited to reject Mr

Turrell's evidence, substantially on those

grounds. You must consider all of those

criticisms, and what the Crown says; but,

above all, in the end, you must act on your

own impressions of the evidence, after giving consideration to what counsel has put to you.

Now, Your Honours, it follows that nowhere in

His Honour's charge to the jury either whether it be in what might be called general directions and,

more particularly, in the context of unreliable

witnesses, were there any directions about the
unreliability of Turrell going beyond the passage I

already read, especially at· 1120, and nowhere was

by this Court in Bromley and Karpany and our Full there a general warning which has been sanctioned Court in James' case asking juries, in effect, to
scrutinize it carefully, to take head of a warning
before they act on it, although they may do so.

I am not suggesting, Your Honours, for one

moment that a judge necessarily must use the words

"dangerous" or "unsafe" but I do submit that

somewhere there must be a warning in line with the

similar warning given in Bromley and Karpany's

case.

MASON CJ:  No warning was sought.

MR TILMOUTH: It was, with respect, Your Honours.

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MASON CJ:  Was it?
MR TILMOUTH:  The warning was sought at the close of the

Crown case, volume III, Your Honours, at pages 815

to 817. Your Honours, at the close of the Crown

case, an application was made for a direction of

acquittal on conspiracy on the basis there was no

evidence and an application was also made for the

judge to invite the jury to direct an acquittal on

the other arson charge on the basis that it was

dangerous and unsafe and relying on Turrell's

evidence. At page 815, Your Honours, without

reading, Your Honours will see about lines 25 and

those that follow that I made submissions about

Turrell's evidence in the New Year's conversation.

I put to His Honour at page 816 that he was

unreliable - line 2; that he "had a purpose of his own to serve" - line 5, and so on, and at lines 33 to 34 I put to His Honour that Turrell's evidence

"was highly unsatisfactory and unreliable" and I

invited His Honour to make the directions that were

suggested.

At page 817, Your Honours, the argument rather

focussed more on what would happen if the matter

went to the jury. I made an analogy on Davies's

case at line 15, mentioned Davies's case in

particular at line 23 and went on as follows:

Davies, the case in the House of Lords and

James and Karpany -

two separate cases -

but these are points really more appropriate

to what directions but what I would submit to

your Honour is irrespective of whether one

strictly called him an accomplice or one said

he had a motive of his own to serve or some

combination of those two we would be

submitting his evidence is suspect for those

reasons and a warning would clearly be

appropriate and the case we would argue is
Bromley and Karpany in the High Court, so to
answer your Honour's question more
particularly, although he is not an accomplice
strictly so-called, it is clearly that class
of case which would call for some kind of
warning and I do not want to go on to exactly
what kind now because that's a directions
point but he would have that taint as well in
addition to the other unreliability features I
have already put to your Honour.

MASON CJ: Where do we find His Honour's rejection of your

application? ·
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MR TILMOUTH: There is not further discussion about that

matter, Your Honours, and it is conceded the matter

was not raised after His Honour's summing up to the

jury.

MASON CJ: Yes, that prompted my question to you at page

1128.

MR TILMOUTH:  Yes. It did not arise again, Your Honours. I

was not present unfortunately during the summing up

and I accepted it would have been better if it was

perhaps raised afterwards but that is where the

application was made, Your Honours.

MASON CJ:  I see.
MR TILMOUTH:  This matter incidentally was debated briefly

in the Court of Criminal Appeal and it seems

evidence, if I may submit it - I know it does not

bind this Court - but it is clear that the court

accepted that that was a sufficient raising of the

point and clearly I referred to the very case which

we argued here.

MASON CJ: Yes.

MR TILMOUTH:  I accept entirely it would have been better it

it was raised afterwards and it was not, but the

point was made.

So, Your Honours, then, moving to the Court of

Criminal Appeal, the relevant passages are again

short. In book IV, page 1198, His Honour

the Chief Justice deals with the evidence of

Turrell with respect to the conspiracy, between lines 6 and 20. His Honour says - to paraphrase

it - between lines 14 and 15 that, in effect, there

was no evidence indicating that her knowledge of
what she allegedly told Turrell on New Year's Eve
1987-88 was knowledge at the time that the offence
occurred in August of 1987 and His Honour concluded

from that, line 19:

The evidence was insufficient to support an

y inference that Perkins and Mr and Mrs Kenney

conspired.

However, on the topic of - - -

BRENNAN J: Well, that is "had conspired" in respect of the

conspiracy charge.

MR TILMOUTH: Defrauding.

BRENNAN J: Yes.

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MR TILMOUTH:  Quite, but what His Honour was saying was,

"Well, even accepting that Turrell's evidence was

there, we have no evidence that that was her degree

of knowledge at the time the arson was committed".

BRENNAN J: As to the insurance fraud.

MR TILMOUTH:  Yes, that is right.

BRENNAN J: Yes.

MR TILMOUTH:  I only point out that passage out, Your
Honours, for completeness. I do not rely on it for
any particular purpose.

The passage I do point to, however, more

particularly is page 1201, line 15, which deals

with the very point that I am now putting to

Your Honours:

A point raised by Mr Tilmouth, QC, on

behalf of Mrs Kenney, related to a witness,

Turrell, who gave evidence of the statements

alleged to have been made by Mrs Kenney at the

New Year's Eve party. Mr Tilmouth drew our

attention to a number of matters in the

evidence suggesting that Turrell may have had

interests of his own to serve by telling lies

about Mrs Kenney and may have been motivated

by malice. He contended that these factors

within any of the categories which at common

required the judge to caution the jury as to

the danger of accepting Turrell's evidence.

law require a corroboration warning.

Mr Tilmouth drew our attention to cases in which the desirability of some caution as to witnesses whose evidence may be unreliable for one reason or another has been indicated. The

strongest of these is Bromley v The Queen

(1986), 161 CLR 315 at 319-20 and 324-5, but

that was a case of a mentally unstable

witness. Where a witness does not fall within
one of the categories requiring a
corroboration warning, the omission of a
caution is not an error of law. Generally
speaking in such cases the giving of a caution
and the terms in which it is given are a
matter for the discretion of the trial judge.
There may be cases where the omission of a
caution would result in the inadequate
presentation of the defence -

per Justice Brennan in Bromley -

Such an omission may be material to the

question whether there has been a miscarriage

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of justice. I do not think that the omission

to give a caution in relation to Turrell

resulted in an inadequate presentation of the

defence to the jury, nor in a miscarriage of

justice. Counsel made a number of criticisms

of Turrell as a witness and his reliability

was attacked. That was a matter for the

consideration of the jury. Some of those

criticisms were referred to by the learned

judge in his summing up. I do not think that

the learned judge was obliged to repeat all

the criticisms or to give any caution of his

own. Whether a caution was called for was a

matter for his judgment.

So, in my respectful submission, the court is

saying two things, essentially, in that passage;

the other two judges agreed, of course. In my

submission, what has been said, with respect, is

that in those cases falling short of the existing

categories it is very much for the discretion of

the trial judge to frame a warning and the test on

appeal is really whether either the defence case has been adequately put and/or whether there has been a miscarriage of justice.

Our respectful submission is that that reads

down to an extent what we have put already where

more general matters of principle set out by this

Court in Bromley and Longman and, incidentally,

Your Honours, the cases I referred to, apart from

Bromley, were Longman and Prater's case, in the

English Court of Appeal essentially. There were some others but they are the high point of those

authorities.

DEANE J: But, Mr Tilmouth, can you dispose of the absence

of a request for a direction as simply as you have?

I mean, true it is - at page 817 in particular -

these things were canvassed at an earlier stage but

then, in the summing up that you have referred us

to at 1120, His Honour dealt with most of the

criticisms that had been made and repeated them

including Turrell's action in buying a gun and it

was suggested that the whole problem of Andy Read

was very much his as well as Tracy's.

MR TILMOUTH:  Yes.

DEANE J: Then, at page 126, His Honour expressly asked were

there any suggestions and then says:

May I take it then that there is no further

direction that any counsel wish me to give?

MR TILMOUTH:  Yes.
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DEANE J: Well, now, we are now asked to go over all the

comments that he made about Turrell's evidence,

find that there was a gap in the context where he

asked counsel was there any further they wanted and

he was told, "No".

MR TILMOUTH: Well, Your Honours, that is a plain hurdle

that must be faced. I cannot add to, really, what

I have put. As I said, I was not there and it

should have been raised. I accepted entirely it is

not only a duty to raise objections, to maintain

them.

DEANE J: Yes.

MR TILMOUTH: But, Your Honours, if you read, with respect,

not just the passages that I have isolated from

Turrell, but the point I was making about the

essential weakness in Turrell's evidence through

the cross-examination ran like a thread throughout;
it was the prominent point and that was the point

that I put to Your Honours about the charges giving

rise to it and the dangers inherent in it. His

Honour did not, in my respectful submission, on any

view, put that matter which was the prime matter of

consideration.

Now, accepting all that has been said already

and that it should have been raised again at the

end, in the end result, in my submission, what

really was being driven at as the essential

weakness in Turrell's evidence through the cross-

examination was never put to the jury in any
context, whether it be in the context of general

directions or the defence case and, in my

respectful submission, it plainly called for some

comment; whether one says simply that it was

essential simply to put the defence case fairly or

goes further and say there was a requirement

through Bromley and Karpany that, in the

circumstances, a direction was required.

So, I suppose, with respect, I would go on to
say in any event there was a miscarriage of

justice but, Your Honour, I cannot answer it any

further. I accept the criticisms which must follow

from it but, in the end result, the real question

is, in my submission, was there a miscarriage and,

in my submission, His Honour the trial judge was

plainly acquainted with the crux of the matter we
wished him to put to the jury and it is the crux of

the argument we put here, of course. In the end

result, the plain fact is that the whole basis, the

central basis, of the cross-examination - there are other subsidiary ones, of course - was never put to

the jury in any context.

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Your Honours, I have submitted in effect that

Their Honours have read down Bromley's case. Can I

take Your Honours quickly to the passages which we

submit show that there is a duty in some cases

falling short of the established categories to give

a warning. Bromley v Reg (1986), 161 CLR 315 -

Your Honours should have a book of cases which my

learned friend, Mr Doyle, and I have agreed together

and it is the first case in that book.

Your Honours, I do not trouble with the facts.

It is conceded as the Chief Justice said in the

Court of Criminal Appeal, that it related to a

mentally defective person, a schizophrenic, and it

can be distinguished on its facts but the question

of principle we rely on is stated at page 319, by

the former Chief Justice with whom Your Honour the

Chief Justice, Justice Wilson and Dawson agreed.

It is the passage, Your Honours, at 319, occurring at about one third of the way down the page.

His Honours said this:

What is required, in a case where the evidence
of a witness may be potentially unreliable,

but which does not fall within one of the

established categories in relation to which

the full warning as to the necessity of

corroboration must be given, is that the jury

must be made aware, in words which meet the

justice of the particular case, of the dangers

of convicting on such evidence. Where a

warning is required as to the way in which the

jury should treat the unsupported evidence of

a witness whose evidence is potentially

unreliable, the question is, "Was that warning

sufficient? Did it in clear terms bring home

to the jury the danger of basing a conviction

on the unconfirmed evidence of the

complainants?" There is nothing formal or

technical about this rule.

Then, His Honour goes on to consider the particular

note that, at 320, a direction was approved which facts and, without reading, I ask Your Honours to
included phrases such as "considerable caution",
"scrutinize" the "evidence with special care", "act
on his evidence if you are convinced" it is right,
and so on.

The same kind of warning was given in James's case, in our State Reports, Your Honours. That

case is included in our list of authorities in and
Your Honours' books, but I do not go to it.

Your Honour Justice Brennan in this case dealt

with the issue perhaps more as to whether or not

the defence case was adequately put, at 325. There

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is an important precursor to the passage I am about

to read at 325, but I point it out to Your Honours

but I do not read. The passage we rely on at 325

is at point 6 and, although it deals, generally

speaking, with a person with a mental disorder, we

submit that Your Honour's words can be taken as

general words going beyond the case:

It follows that there is no universal

rule of practice that a trial judge should

give a warning - much less a warning according

to a prescribed formula - whenever a jury

might convict on the uncorroborated testimony
of a witness who is suffering or who has

suffered from some form of mental disorder.

It may be that the circumstances will require

some caution to be given - not because of a

particular rule of practice affecting

witnesses suffering from some form of mental
disorder but because a warning is necessary to

put the defence case fully and fairly.

Perhaps no more can be said than this: when

the danger in acting upon the evidence is real

and substantial -

as I submit it was here -

and when the conduct of the trial and evidence

as to the witness's mental disorder are such

that the jury may not have fully perceived or

the jury's attention may have been diverted

from the danger, a warning should be given.

This was such a case.

And I submit the case at bar was also.

Your Honours, in Longman's case, which is the

second case in the materials at page 13, again the

facts I do not trouble Your Honours with but a few

brief passages if I may which, we submit, emphasize

the points now made. At page 167, in a short

passage, Your Honour Justice Brennan,

Justice Dawson and Your Honour Justice Toohey said

this at line 2: 

Apart from the special rule, the general law requires a warning to be given whenever a

warning is necessary to avoid a perceptible
risk of miscarriage of justice arising from
the circumstances of the case -

and the very passages that I have just mentioned to

Your Honours are cited.

At page 173, Your Honour Justice Deane, in a

short passage at the bottom of that page, line 47,

said that:

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A trial judge has the general

responsibility of giving appropriate directions to assist the jury in the

performance of their function as the judges of

fact. That responsibility includes the giving

of an appropriate caution or warning in
circumstances where there are potential

dangers in acting upon particular evidence

which may not, without such a caution or
warning, be appreciated by the jury.

Finally, Your Honours, at page 182, His Honour

Justice McHugh likewise, at line 10, referred to

Bromley again and then added this, at line 17:

Except in the limited area marked out by

the section -

which is not relevant -

complainants in sexual cases no longer fall

into a category of witnesses in relation to

which the "full warning as to the necessity of
corroboration must be given". If, however,
the evidence discloses any circumstance which

suggests that the evidence of the complainant

may be unreliable, the trial judge has a duty

to make the jury aware of the dangers

concerning that person's evidence. As in any

case where the prosecution depends solely upon

the evidence of one witness, the trial judge

is entitled to point out that the evidence of

the complainant requires careful scrutiny
before acting upon it. But cases will

frequently arise where the circumstances will

require a stronger warning. The terms of that

wa~ning will depend upon the particular

circumstances of the case.

What is noticeable there is that His Honour uses

the words, "The trial judge has a duty" et cetera.

Now, in my respectful submission,

Your Honours, this case case was clearly one where

the prime reason for doubting Turrell's evidence

and the whole basis of the cross-examination really was not put and it was wrong, with respect, for the

Court of Criminal Appeal by reason of the passages

I have just read from these two cases to read down

as it did the expressions from this Court in those

two cases.

My submission is that those two cases laid

down a rather more general principle; that is, that

in cases going beyond established categories where

there is a perceptible risk or a real risk of a

miscarriage, then there is a duty to give an

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appropriate warning and, in my respectful

submission, one was not given here.

Your Honours, can I add two points:  a matter

has occurred to me in further answer to Your Honour

Justice Brennan about the motive directly

attributable to Mrs Kenney. There was evidence, Your Honour and Your Honours, that in fact after

February of 1988 Shearer and Turrell had an

argument and fell out with the Kenneys. I do not

need to refer to that evidence but, after February,

they did have an argument and they did not contact

each other further at all. The evidence of that is

525; I do not read it. Finally, Your Honours -

BRENNAN J:  Does that not really all place some emphasis

upon the passages that you have been drawing our

attention to, which stress the importance of
tailoring the warning to the circumstances of the

case and, if that be so and, as you have accepted

in your exchange with Justice Deane, no adequate

particularization of what was sought was-stated at

the end of the summing up, we are really in the

situation where you say in this case, in these

circumstances, something additional was needed

although the judge was never asked to give it.

MR TILMOUTH:  Yes, and as an alternative but lesser than

that, in any event the defence case was not

adequately put, focussing more on Your Honour's

comments in Bromley and there was, therefore, a

miscarriage of justice obviously.

Your Honours, the final point and I can put it

briefly, is: the proviso is not applicable. I
would submit clearly that the evidence was

extremely damaging and there can be no doubt, of
course, the jury acted upon it by virtue of their

conviction on the conspiracy charge and

Your Honours will remember as well that in the

first passages I read of His Honour's summing up

His Honour did put the evidence of Turrell very

generally, crossing both counts as being very

damaging to her and not as isolated to the

conspiracy charge itself. But, in my submission,

Your Honours, if this decision is allowed to stand despite the difficulties pointed out by Your Honour

Justice Deane, trial judges certainly in this State

and, perhaps interstate, may well read the general

statements of principle in Bromley and Karpany and

Longman as confined as the Chief Justice has

confined them in this case and, in my submission,

that would be to apply principles which this Court

is endeavouring to overcome.

Your Honours, there is on our list as well the

Canadian decision, Vetrovec. It is not necessary

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for the purpose of our argument to argue that case.

The point I simply make there is that what we are

submitting is the effect of Bromley and Longman is

not inconsistent - in fact, is entirely consistent

- with the direction the common law is taking as

consistent with what has been the practice over many years in England through Prater's case.

reflected in that decision of the Canadian Supreme

It is in our materials and I do not read it,

Your Honours, but the Court of Appeal said there,

and it has been the principle ever since, that

where a witness has a purpose of his own to serve,

it is desirable - I submit it is an optional word -

desirable to give an appropriate warning. Here, I

submit, the law has gone a step further and made it

virtually mandatory if there is a perception that

there would be a risk of miscarriage of justice

without it.

GAUDRON J:  Mr Tilmouth, that rather begs the question, what

is the appropriate warning? In this case, the

trial judge pointed out all the matters that

brought the evidence into question, did he not?

MR TILMOUTH:  Well, no, with respect. He did not refer at

all to the central point we were making about the

charges, him speaking with the police about Andy

Read in order to minimize the charges. The judge
never mentioned those matters at all.
GAUDRON J:  No, but that was presumably dealt with in

addresses and it was the subject of cross-

examination?

MR TILMOUTH:  Yes.

GAUDRON J: Yes.

MR TILMOUTH: Yes, there is no doubt I dealt with it

extensively. It was our main point on Turrell.

GAUDRON J: And so, according to your argument, the

deficiency in the summing up is the failure to

mention that.

MR TILMOUTH:  Yes.

GAUDRON J: And not the failure to say, "You must use

extreme caution" or anything like that.

MR TILMOUTH:  No, with respect, it goes further. It is not

only the failure to mention it but it is also the

failure to use some words akin to those words

approved in Bromley and Karpany. The words I

mention "quickly", "scrutinize carefully", he - - -

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GAUDRON J: But I wonder, do those words ever add anything

if the matters that bring the evidence into

question are sufficiently dealt with?

MR TILMOUTH: Well, with respect, in my submission, they do.

These matters may not have been at all obvious to a

jury for many years, hundreds of years, perhaps.

The very reason that has led judges and appeal

courts to say that accomplice warnings must be

given is because those kind of considerations would

not generally be known to juries.

GAUDRON J: But the rationale of an accomplice warning is a

little bit different from the rationale that you

would ascribe in this case, is it not?

MR TILMOUTH: Well, it is a little bit closer to the witness

in question, I accept.

GAUDRON J: Yes.

MR TILMOUTH:  But, the reason to doubt the evidence is the

same, it just arises in a different way.

GAUDRON J: Well, they have got an interest of their own to

serve, but that is a very general - - -

MR TILMOUTH:  Yes, but it is a very potent reason to tell

lies, with respect. If I can put it crudely, as I

suggested to Turrell, it was really his skin or

somebody else's.

DEANE J: But is that not the real point? In the case of

the accomplice warning, a jury is unlikely to

appreciate the reasons which make the evidence of

an accomplice something that should be the subject

of very careful scrutiny. They ~ight well think,

"They're accomplices; that being so one's going to

help the other.", but when you look at your grounds

in paragraph 2, they are all factual matters which

a jury can appreciate every bit as well as a judge;

that is, if somebody is going to get a benefit out

of giving the information, you should take that

into account in assessing the reliability of the

information.

MR TILMOUTH: Well, can they, with respect - could the jury

really appreciate the points as being obvious?

DEANE J: Well, which one in paragraph 2, do you not think a

jury would appreciate?

MR TILMOUTH: In my submission, Your Honours, the courts

have always given the corroboration warning partly

because it seems to be accepted that the jury would

not appreciate the full reason for the danger on

acting on the evidence.

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DEANE J:  Do not misunderstand me, Mr Tilmouth, I am not

suggesting for one moment that if at the end of

His Honour's summing up someone had got up and said

to His Honour, "Well now, the defence makes a real

point of this, we suggest you put that to them".

It is done in front of the jury, the judge, no

doubt, would have said, "You've heard what's said"

and there's force in it", otherwise he might have

done it, but we are concerned with the distinction

between where a failure to give involves of its

nature a defect in the trial, such as an accomplice

warning, and the case where, if the defence

requires it and, if necessary, the judge should

consider it and exercise his discretion.

MR TILMOUTH:  Yes. Well, obviously, I would put that this
was a defect in the trial. It was no mere matter

of a misdirection on the facts, as it were, it was

a misdirection in the end result, albeit based on

facts, it had to be one of law, if we are right.

But, Your Honours, if I anticipated what
Your Honour was putting to me earlier, could I add

this as well? It may well be that juries could reason that if somebody has been charged by the police and gone through the courts, the due process

of law, that they might think that everything has

been done orderly and properly and that the court

has, perhaps, anaesthetized any wrongdoing by the

police or any inducement to come forward with

information and lay lesser charges and, in my
submission, a jury, in a case like this, would not

appreciate the real dangers of this type of

evidence for, perhaps, that reason and others.

Lord Ackner in Hester's case said in a passage

that, traditionally, the accomplice warning - the
reasons for it - would not be appreciated by
jurors. Unfortunately, His Lordship did not go on

to say why but, in my submission, it would not be

obvious at all to a jury and I would add as well

that the very purpose of giving a warning is to add

judicial weight to the real dangers of the warning.

It is not simply making a point about the weakness

in a compendious way summarizing what defence

counsel has put. The whole thrust of the

authorities, whether they are category authorities

or the later authorities, are to give judicial

weight to the reasons why the evidence is to be

doubted. If the Court pleases.

MASON CJ: Thank you, Mr Tilmouth. Yes, Ms Shaw?

MS SHAW:  Your Honours, I hand up eight outlines of

submissions, lists of authorities, if the Court

pleases, and in addition, the applicant, Perkins,

has prepared a chronology as to the facts and a

summary of evidence.

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If the Court pleases, the special leave points

that arise in this case come from the determination

of the learned trial judge that the Crown case of a

course of conduct which embraced all three counts

meant that all the evidence in the case was
admissible on all counts. As a result of that
determination the learned trial judge considered
and ruled that the counts should not be separated,

that all the circumstantial evidence, which was the

Crown case, was capable of corroborating the

accomplice Sandell, who was an accomplice for one
count in particular and, thirdly, that the jury


should determine from all the circumstantial

evidence in the case as a whole, which elements of

the various offences were made out.

The Court of Criminal Appeal upheld this approach and, in particular, upheld the trial

judge's approach that there was no requirement for

the jury to be directed as to the use of evidence

in relation to any particular count.

The accomplice question was important because

on Mr Sandell's account, Sandell being the witness

who was at the applicant Perkins' home, and alleged

that Perkins said to him at the time that a

contents insurance policy was taken out, "Do you

want a job? Clean this out.", and from that,

Mr Sandell gave evidence that he believed that

Mr Perkins was referring to his house for an

insurance job although those words were not used by

Perkins.

Mr Sandell passed that information on to his

brother and, although this occurred on 2 June, the

activities of Mr Sandell and his brother and

Zena Oakes, his girlfriend, and two other

associates, a person called Phil Murphy and a

person called Colin Bird, the burglaries that
subsequently took place, occurred not until a week

before the fire. Mr Perkins, himself, did not

leave the State until early August; that appears

from those dates set out in the chronology.

Therefore, there was a consideration of the three counts; of course, on everybody's case Mr Sandell

was an accomplice in a burglary.

On the defence case, he was not an accomplice

in the false pretences because a statement was

never made and no false pretence ever occurred but

on the Crown case, clearly, he was an accomplice

because he took up what he viewed as an invitation

by Perkins to remove property from his home so

that, thereafter, Perkins could make a false claim

on his contents insurer. As to whether or not he

was an accomplice for the arson depended on the

view that was taken of there being any relationship

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between the burglary and the subsequent fire and,

of course, as for the conspiracy charge, on the

Crown case, that was a combination, as it were, of

everything with the additional element of an intent

to defraud so that I am not certain how one fits an

accomplice into that kind of charge but if there

was some justification for saying and concluding

that all of these offences were linked, then

through that route, perhaps, he may be an

accomplice. Because Perkins was disputing any

liaison of an incriminatory nature with Mr Sandell,

the direction as to whether or not he was an

accomplice and the nature of the direction and, in

addition, the direction as to whether or not there

was corroboration, was crucial.

The Crown case against Mr Perkins, apart from

Mr Sandell's evidence, depended only upon his financial situation which was consolidated after

the statement to Sandell in about July, but he

still had outstanding accounts at the time of the

fire. In addition, a statement to Osborne in about

October the year before when he had said to this

man, Osborne, he would rather burn down his house

than let the house get it and, in addition, of
course, there was the proximity in time of these

various events. So, in that context, Sandell's

evidence came to be very important.

The summing up of the trial judge and the

direction he gave in relation to corroboration

appears at page 1109 of the appeal books.

MASON CJ: 

Now, can you itemize for us what you say are the defects ·of the directions given by the trial judge

to the jury and can you tell us what directions he
should have been given according to the case that
you are presenting?
MS SHAW:  The first direction he should have given was that

it was a matter for the jury to decide whether or

directed the jury, at page 1109: 

not Sandell was an accomplice at all. In fact, he But in deciding whether or not the statement

was made, you will bear in mind that as a

matter of law Bob Sandell stands in the

position of an accomplice.

So he directed them, as a matter of law, that this man was an accomplice.

GAUDRON J: That is in your favour, is it not, Ms Shaw? You

take the advantage of that direction.

MS SHAW:  You often take the advantage of the direction if

you, indeed, do have a liaison with the man and you

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often take an advantage from it if there is no

corroboration but the disadvantage is not only lost

but the prejudice is multiplied when you say there

is corroboration so that any advantage that might

have occurred in another case where there was no

corroboration does not apply to this case. But in

my submission, here, it was important to

differentiate between Mr Sandell's role as an

accomplice because of the differing nature of the

offences.

The trial judge did not, at any stage in his

summing up, separate the evidence relating to the

different counts nor, indeed, identify what was in

issue in respect of any of the counts. The

applicant, Perkins, not only denied that this

statement was made but he also denied even knowing

the Kenneys and there was no evidence that he did

know the Kenneys. Therefore, the fire, the

lighting of the fire, occurs because of, if what

you like, a third party having performed the act. If you had a case where, for example, a man had a

motive to light a fire, his circumstances were

dubious, he had opportunity, then one could mount a

case based on inference, therefore, that he was a

likely candidate, but here the difficulty with such

a case, in my submission, is that the fire was lit

by somebody else.

GAUDRON J:  Ms Shaw, it was Mr Retalic, was it, who was

appearing below?

MS SHAW:  Yes.

GAUDRON J: And he had no suggestions, it seems, from

page 1126 to make to His Honour the trial judge

about the summing up?

MS SHAW: That is so, Your Honour, but Mr Retalic had

debated at length with the learned trial judge on

three separate occasions in relation to the

proposal that the Crown case could be presented as

a course of conduct without separation of the

counts and that the corroboration that was proposed

could be presented as a body of circumstantial

evidence and I will take Your Honour to those

various passages.

First of all, at the time when he asked for separation of the counts -

MASON CJ: But, Ms Shaw, if I could bring you back to my

initial request, could you itemize for us what, on

your argument, were the defects in the trial

judge's summing up and what directions do you

submit should have been given by the trial judge to

the jury - and specific directions?

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MS SHAW:  Yes. I have indicated to Your Honour the first

direction, namely, that the question of whether or

not he was an accomplice was a matter for the jury.

DEANE J: Well now, what does that mean?

MS SHAW:  I am sorry. That it is for the jury to decide

whether or not, in fact, he is an accomplice.

DEANE J: So, he should have told them that if they decided

he was not an accomplice in relation to some of the

offences no corroboration would be necessary?

MS SHAW:  No, Your Honour. In my submission, the only

offence that required or called for a corroboration warning was the offence relating to false pretences

so that when he directed the jury as to whether or

not, in relation to corroboration, it was for the

jury to determine whether, in fact, he was an

accomplice because he could only be an accomplice

if a statement was made.

DEANE J: But, what is the complaint about saying that he

was an accomplice, that it implies that there - - -

MS SHAW: That the statement was made~

DEANE J:  I see.
MS SHAW:  There is no clarification as to whether or not he

is referring to an accomplice in a lay sense as

though they were simply involved in a crime

together or whether or not he was an accomplice in

law because he had an involvement in the offence

either directly or indirectly. I do not put that

point as highly and as strongly as I do the

criticisms I make of the failure to refer this
witness's evidence to any particular count and to

the direction as to corroboration.

DEANE J: But it does not really imply that the statement

was made, does it, when you say legally he is to be

of, you look at his evidence with great care and so regarded as an accomplice and for that reason, sort
on?

MS SHAW: Legally, he is an accomplice in the crime of burglary, that is not in dispute, that he has

passed on information. Whether or not he is an

accomplice at all in relation to the false

pretences depends on whether or not that statement

was made.

BRENNAN J: But, if one looks at what the judge said at

page 1109, it is first of all introduced by saying:

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in deciding whether or not the statement was

made -

that is the first qualification. So the judge is

not telling them that the statement was made, he is

directing them in relation to that issue of fact.

Then, he says that Mr Retalic explained that he

stood:

in the position of an accomplice.

So, the judge is picking up counsel's submission there and then he goes on to say "and because of

that position, it now becomes my duty to give you

the warning" and he warns them. Now, should he

have not given them a warning in relation to

whether or not the statement was made?

MS SHAW:  He certainly should have given them a warning.

BRENNAN J: Well then, he has given it to them.

MS SHAW:  He has given them a warning but His Honour the

Chief Justice specifically asked me my first

complaint; I did raise that as a first complaint
but I do not suggest it is a matter of great

prejudice that he was described as an accomplice in

law. What I am putting to the Court is it did not

help the matter that he did not leave that matter for the jury in the proper way in accordance with Davies in the House of Lords but it is a matter

that strictly speaking should be left to the jury

but I am not suggesting to the Court that that

matter alone, or even in conjunction with the others, adds much to the prejudice that I say arises from the balance of his direction.

When Mr Retalic addressed the jury, which

appears at page 1048 of the transcript, he did tell

the jury that Mr Sandell was an accomplice and he

does not, of course, present it in a legal fashion to the jury. In my submission, the effect of what

Mr Retalic was putting to the jury was that Sandell

and his associates were all involved in a burglary

and, in effect, therefore, they were all

untrustworthy. He does not relate his address to a

consideration of whether or not he was an

accomplice in the false pretences, as such, by the

statement having been made. In my submission, he

is really telling the jury that this man is

untrustworthy because on his own evidence he is a

crook.

As I say, that is the first point that, in my

submission, is the correct direction to a jury.

Secondly, the direction when he tells the jury that

the way he puts the warning, I accept that that is

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a correct direction but my major complaint is as to

corroboration. As I have said, there was no

relationship between this total direction on the

accomplice and any specific count. In my

submission, that must be part and parcel of the

direction. If he is dealing with corroboration in

relation to an accomplice, he must relate the

witness's evidence to each count if it, in fact,

does have a relationship. If it does not have a

relationship to that count, then he must tell the

jury that it does not have a relationship to a

particular count so that the jury do not use

evidence or, indeed, the corroboration in relation

to a charge to which it may not be relevant.

TOOHEY J: Is that an attack, Ms Shaw, upon the suggestion

that the jury could find corroboration in the

combined weight of the circumstantial evidence?

MS SHAW: That is so, Your Honour.

TOOHEY J: And is the criticism that the combined weight of

the circumstantial evidence could not constitute corroboration in respect of each of the charges?

MS SHAW:  The criticism as to the use of the combined weight

includes a number, Your Honour. First of all, the

circumstantial evidence is drawn from evidence

pertaining to differing counts. For example, the

examples of the statement to Osborne; now that is

the statement a year before when he said to this

man at his garage, "I would burn down my house

rather than let the bank have it". Whether or not
that statement has any relevance to the false
pretences count which was related entirely to the
burglary, not to the arson, is an important

consideration when deciding whether or not there is

any nexus between these accounts anyway.

The contents claim, that is the subject of

count 3, was only relative.to the burglary

although, as part of his claim, he did include

contents that were lose in the fire; the charge

relates only to the burglary itself. Therefore, in
relation to the count of false pretences, the

question for the jury was whether or not there was

a false pretence, namely, that there was a burglary

and in that respect whether or not Osborne's

evidence had any relevance at all was a crucial

issue. It could only have relevance if one

accepted the basis upon which the trial judge and

the Court of Criminal Appeal proceeded, namely,

that because the Crown said this was a single

project all evidence was relevant to everything;

all evidence was admissible on everything and with

that contention, of course, I disagree. So that

the evidence of Osborne, I say, involves a

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different offence to the offence in respect of

which Mr Sandell's evidence was probative.

In addition, His Honour, in his body of

circumstantial evidence referred to the burning

down of the house and the circumstances in which it

was burnt down. Now, in my submission again, the

circumstances of the house burning down and the
circumstances in which it was burnt down could have

no probative value as to whether or not the

applicant, Perkins, was a party to a burglary that

was, in fact, an attempt to defraud his insurance

company.

Then, the only other item of circumstantial

evidence in the body that is left to the jury is

the obtaining of the insurance policy as to the

contents and, clearly, that could not amount to any

kind of corroboration of Sandell because the

evidence was, in any event, that it was Mr James

who encouraged Mr Sandell to take out the policy

against his better wishes but, of course, it cannot

confirm the fact that the allegation that there was

any fraud in relation to events that occurred

afterwards.

TOOHEY J: Well, apart from those passages on 1109 and 1110,

did the trial judge return in his direction to the question of circumstantial evidence as a basis for corroboration?

MS SHAW:  No, this is the only direction in the entire

summing up in relation to corroboration and

accomplice evidence. There is another direction in

relation to Sandell generally as a witness but not

in relation to the topic of corroboration.

DEANE J: What if there had been direct evidence that

Mr Perkins had burnt down the house, would you say

that was not corroboration?

T4/DR

MS SHAW: It could only be corroboration if there was a link

between these offences so that one could seek a

relationship between the items that you are

proposing to put in to your body of circumstantial

evidence.

DEANE J: Well, what I was asking you is: if there was

direct evidence that Mr Perkins had burnt down the

house, would that be corroboration in the

circumstance of this case of the evidence that, in
anticipation of a house being burnt down he had

asked somebody to stage a burglary?

MS SHAW: In my respectful submission, in this case, no; the

reason being that the evidence was that, first of

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all, there were contents still in the house that

were recoverable under the policy anyway.

DEANE J: Well, that is the real question, is it not, because

if direct evidence that Mr Perkins had burnt down the house was corroboration, the circumstances in which it was burnt down to the extent that the jury

accepted those circumstances as implicating

Mr Perkins would be corroboration. It is just a

different way of getting to the same question.

MS SHAW: Yes, well, in my submission, even if Mr Perkins was

connected with the fire it still does not amount to

a circumstantial case of corroboration as to

Sandell's evidence because Sandell's evidence

implicated Perkins in a contents insurance fraud.

DEANE J: Yes, I follow that. I was just suggesting to you

that the answer to the question must be the same

regardless of whether it is circumstantial evidence

or direct evidence that he burnt down the house.

MS SHAW: Yes, my submission to Your Honour is that the fact

that there is no connection between him and the fire makes this case even more removed from any

suggestion of a nexus between the offences which

was, of course, the basis upon which this direction

proceeded. If I can return to Your Honour the

Chief Justice's question to me, the submissions I

make as to the correct direction finally, of

course, is that there was no corroboration of

Sandell's evidence.

The direction should have been to the jury

that Sandell, because of his evidence, could be

viewed as an accomplice to the false pretences, a

warning applied and His Honour gave that warning

but then the direction should have been that there

is no corroboration of his evidence. In those

circumstances, of course, the full force of the

warning would attach to the witness but once the

corroboration direction is given then that warning

is, in effect, neutralized.

Not only in this case is the warning

neutralized but what was put as corroboration of

Sandell's evidence was the entire Crown case.

Therefore there were two prejudices: one in that

it incorrectly enhanced the credibility of Sandell

but, secondly, in that by telling the jury that

this entire body of circumstantial evidence was

capable of corroborating Sandell, the judge in

effect left it to the jury that that entire body of

circumstantial evidence was capable of implicating

Perkins - as a body.

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Indeed, His Honour's directions are

highlighted in that respect by what he had said to

direction on the accomplice warning. At the jury immediately before he commenced his
page 1109 - he had commenced dealing with Sandell
at page 1106, if the Court pleases, by initially
setting out what he had said. Then, at page 1107,
referring to Mr Retalic's criticisms of him in
relation to the time lapse between 2 June and when
he passed on the information and the date in August
when the event occurred - Mr Retalic's criticism
that there was a change in story by Sandell in
November after an initial failure to mention
anything about a statement on 2 June.

But, coming to page 1109 line 5, what His Honour said was this:

Even if you entertained a reasonable doubt

that that statement was made, or made a

positive finding in your mind that it wasn't

made, you must still consider the body of

circumstantial evidence upon which the Crown

relies in determining whether or not the

charges or any of them have been made out.

Then he follows on to give the accomplice warning

and again referred to the body of circumstantial

evidence as corroborating Sandell but, in my

submission, what His Honour was putting to the jury

was that even if they had a doubt about Sandell's

evidence they could still, in effect, look at the

rest of the evidence and then determine whether or

not the charges were made out.

It is my submission, if you excluded Sandell's

evidence from the case against Perkins there would

not have been a case to consider as to whether or
not the charges had been made out. So, I say that

the preliminary direction increases the prejudice that arises by the subsequent reference to a body

of circumstantial evidence and gives some credence

to a Crown case as it was presented based on such a

body of circumstantial evidence.

In my outline of submissions I have referred to the complexity that has arisen in relation to

the application of Davies' case -

MASON CJ: Yes, but before you get to that, Ms Shaw, we

still want to know what are the points that you

wish to argue in terms of errors made by the trial

judge and then you have to demonstrate to us that

the points you seek to argue are sufficiently

important to attract a grant of special leave. In

other words, we want to hear from you why we should

grant special leave before we embark on a

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consideration of the substantial points that you

want to argue. What we want you to do is to

identify for us the points that you are going to

argue and then to persuade us that we ought to

grant special leave so that you can argue it.

MS SHAW:- Yes.

The points that I wish to argue - this relates to the accomplice direction -

MASON CJ: Yes.

MS SHAW: - - - is that on a trial of multiple counts when

the witness is described as an accomplice in law and there is potential corroboration as evidence,

it is necessary for a trial judge to direct the

jury as to the particular count to which his

evidence relates and as to whether his evidence is

potentially corroborated in respect of that count.

MASON CJ: Yes. Now, you have covered that and you have

given us some examples of what you say are the

difficulties that arise.

MS SHAW: Yes. The second point that I put to the Court is

that a trial judge should determine whether a

suggested combination of items of circumstantial
evidence excludes a reasonable hypothesis
consistent with innocence before leaving such a

combination to the jury as potential corroboration.

In this particular case the body of circumstantial

evidence which he left to the jury, in my

submission, did not have the required probative

force to be left as corroboration and, in my

submission, that is the determination that the

trial judge should make rather than simply leave it

as a matter for the jury to assess when certain

items are put forward. That is the second point I

wish to make -

MASON CJ: Yes, but the problem about each of these points,

if I may say so, is that on their face they appear

to be related to the facts of this particular case.

MS SHAW: The first general point I make, if the Court

pleases, is that in describing the witness,

Sandell, as an accomplice His Honour was adhering to the principle of Davies which required a strict

direction irrespective of the status of the witness

in relation to various counts. That complexity

that has arisen from Davies is a complexity which,

in my respectful submission, this honourable Court

should reconsider.

If there is a witness who has a different

status in relation to the defence case, the Crown

case and on his own account, it is in that

circumstance that to describe him as an accomplice

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in law and then take up the complex directions as

to corroboration can lead to an injustice. This is

a case where the Court could consider, in my

submission, adopting the approach that has been

adopted in Canada in the case of Vetrovec that

there is a discretion as to whether or not a

. witness should be described as an accomplice as

such when there are difficulties that emerge in

relation to such a joinder.

BRENNAN J: But the problem is not a question, really, of

whether he is described as an accomplice, is it? I

mean, the warning is given with respect to a fact
finding exercise and the jury is told, "Have a care

before you accept this witness's evidence and look

for some corroboration". The complexity that you

refer to always arises in connecting that which is

advanced as corroboration by the prosecution to the

proof of the elements in given cases. Is that not
where the difficulty lies?
MS SHAW:  Yes.

BRENNAN J: So, the real problem in this case is no more

than this, is it: what evidence, other than the

evidence of Sandell, was admissible

circumstantially to prove the elements in the

respective offences charged?

MS SHAW: Yes, that is a matter that, in my submission, as a

result of this judgment, is left in a state of

confusion - in this State, in any event - because

the judgment, in effect, allows circumstantial

evidence to encompass multiple counts and, in

addition, not necessarily bear upon the issue in

relation to a specific count.

TOOHEY J: But it is not so much because it is

circumstantial is it, Ms Shaw? I thought your real

complaint was that a mass of evidence, which as it

happened was circumstantial, was allowed to be

considered by the jury as corroboration of more than one charge without allocating, as it were, particular areas of evidence to particular charges
and, in that sense, it may not have mattered
whether it was direct or circumstantial evidence.
MS SHAW:  That is so but the follow-up question, of course,

is when it is circumstantial evidence what are the

appropriate tests that justify such circumstantial
evidence to be led as corroboration?

TOOHEY J: Yes, I understand now.

MS SHAW: That is really a second point.

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BRENNAN J: But do you not have to face then another problem

and it is a factual one: that the circumstantial

evidence went to show motive and opportunity to

engage in a fraudulent course of conduct coupled

with instances of particular acts which might

amount to offences in the course of a single course

of conduct and if that is the way in which the

evidence can be looked at then is it not right to

say that the whole of the body of circumstantial

evidence could be looked at in relation to each

count of the indictment?

MS SHAW:  The way that Your Honour has put that, in my

submission, relates more to admissibility being

dependent upon what is the Crown contention and,

indeed, to some extent embraces guilt rather than a

consideration of whether or not one fact in issue

is enlightened by another fact in issue and if one

wishes to rely on a course of conduct, in my

submission, it is not appropriate to do so where

there are joint counts and the joint counts do not

meet the requirements of similar fact evidence

because, in that circumstance, the evidence has a

different use in relation to each particular count.

If one was to rely on a course of conduct and

only one count was charged then the question arises as to the admissibility of all of that evidence and the difficulties are, of course, not so complex.

BRENNAN J:  Can that be right? Let us assume that you have

got a bank robbery and you have got a number of counts in the indictment, the first of which is

stealing the get-away car; the second is being in

possession of stolen goods, mainly the get-away

car; the third is driving in a fashion which was

dangerous to the public while getting to the bank;

going armed - the usual paraphernalia that might

accompany such an offence and one has no instance

of particular offences which are related one to the

other in terms of their elements but which each of

them goes to make up, in fact, the whole course of

the conduct. Could you not give circumstantial

evidence relating to one of those counts as being

material to the rest assuming that the evidence is

capable of proving a course of conduct?

MS SHAW:  In that situation, of course, the qualification is

that each offence must necessarily be proved or

directed - there must be directions in relation to
each offence separately because they involve a

particular progress in time; one after the other.

Here you have a conspiracy count joined with two

substantive offences and a conspiracy count, in
effect, embraces the two of them. So that, but for

the conspiracy count, perhaps one could formulate a

direction as to the admissibility of evidence

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pursuant to a course of conduct leading up to a
particular result.

But, in my submission, here the criticism of

the use of the phrase "a course of conduct" is
borne out and if I can take Your Honour to those

criticisms, this point relates to the second part

of my application, namely, that by finding all

evidence is admissible on all counts it does not

remove the requirement that a jury be directed to

give separate consideration to the various counts

which was the finding of the judge of the Court of

Criminal Appeal.

The criticisms that have arisen in relation to

the use of the phrase, "a course of conduct" -

first of all I refer the Court to Kilbourne's case.

MASON CJ: But, Ms Shaw, we are only concerned, at this

stage, with considering your application for

special leave to appeal. We are not going into the

arguments you want to present on the appeal in

depth at this stage; we just want to get an outline

of what you are presenting and we want to hear from

you why we should grant special leave to appeal.

MS SHAW: Yes. Well, coming back then to my special leave

points, I have referred the Court to this
particular case in relation to the complexity of

the Davies direction. Secondly, in relation to the nature of corroboration, in my submission, there is

uncertainty in the decided cases and, of course,
the importance of any misdirection as to

corroboration generally results in an unsafe

verdict.·

The uncertainty, in my submission, can be

related to three specific areas: first of all, the

extent to which the evidence that is said to be

potentially corroborative must support the account

of the witness to be corroborative, whether it must

confirm that witness's evidence in a material particular or whether it must, simply, have a tendency to support; and, secondly, whether or not
it must implicate the accused in the crime; that
is, whether it must implicate an accused in the
specific count - which is what we are concerned
with here - or whether it must simply implicate an
accused in general fraudulent conduct; that is, a
Crown case that rests on fraudulent conduct.

In my submission, the cases say, in Buck for

example, that the evidence must implicate the

accused in relation to the specific count charged.

In this case the court has taken the view that it

may simply be corroborative in a general sense of

what is the Crown case. The other area, in my

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submission, of uncertainty and conflict which

arises directly on this case, is the extent to

which the corroborative evidence can be consistent

with the prosecution and defence contentions.

The dissenting judgment of His Honour

Chief Justice Bray in Lindsay's case took the view

that it could not be consistent with prosecution

defence contentions whereas the majority held that

it could. In this particular case, of course, in

my submission, the circumstantial evidence that was

left as corroboration was entirely consistent with

the defence case. And, thirdly, whether or not

circumstantial evidence can be constituted by a

body of circumstantial evidence or whether or not

the circumstances relied on must have some
connection with each other so that, therefore, they

can be described as "a course of conduct" or have

probative force because of their relationship to

each other.

Those matters, in my submission, are dealt with, first of all, in Lindsay's case, when the majority held that there could be a body of

circumstantial evidence provided that it was
interconnected and interdependent. In Duke's case

the Chief Justice held that circumstantial evidence

could be constituted by a body of circumstantial

evidence. Whether or not it was interconnected or

interdependent was not adverted to.

In my submission, what I am putting to the

Court is that the application of the English case

of Thomas v Jones has seen a different approach

adopted .in this State than has been adopted

elsewhere and the direction in which corroboration

directions have gone generally is such that now the

effect of this case - the majority in Lindsay and

Duke - is that evidence which is capable of being

corroboration in that it is consistent with a

prosecution contention that it is probative of

guilt, can be left as potentially corroborative

rather than a determination of whether or not that

potential corroboration has probative force
initially before leaving it to the jury.

It is an important question, in my submission, as to whether or not a learned trial judge should

make an assessment of probative force before the

evidence is left to the jury as being potentially
corroborative. That is a matter which, in my

submission, warrants special leave. In addition,

in my submission, this is the only case, that I am

aware of, where corroboration has been constituted

by evidence encompassing a number of counts when

those counts are not joined pursuant to the

principles of similar fact. Therefore it is a

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novel approach, in my submission, and one which is
not supported by authority and is not an approach

that would assist a jury in the determination of

the issues when multiple counts are tried.

Those are the special leave matters in

relation to the questions of corroboration. The

second aspect of the special leave application
relates to the initial joinder of the counts and

the directions to the jury. The Court of Criminal

Appeal held, in its judgment, that the counts were

founded on the same facts and, in addition, that

there was no occasion to sever and that because all

evidence was admissible on all counts then there

was no requirement to direct the jury in relation

to the evidence admissible as to those separate

counts.

It is my submission that special leave should

be granted as to those points. First of all, the
meaning of "founded on the same facts" has not been
the subject of a determination by this Court

although Sutton's case dealt with the discretion

that arises as to severance. The determination of

what is meant by "founded on the same facts",

although the judgment of the Court of Criminal

Appeal in England in Barrell and Wilson says that

that means "having a common factual origin", but

there is no authoritative determination in this

country of the meaning of that phrase.

The Queensland case of Reg v Crawford

interprets "founded on the same facts" as not

necessarily meaning "all evidence admissible on all

counts". Rather, the Court refers to "founded on

the same facts" as indicating that the facts to

prove the offence must have some common features.

TOOHEY J: 

Ms Shaw, can you direct us to the ground of appeal in the draft grounds that seeks to give

effect to this particular matter you are dealing
with now?  ·
MS SHAW:  Page 1226. It relates, if Your Honour pleases, to

grounds 6 and 7 of the draft grounds of appeal.

TOOHEY J: Yes, thank you.

MS SHAW:  In my submission, the equation by the Court of

Criminal Appeal of "founded on the same facts" with

"all evidence admissible on all counts" is an

important question about which this Court should

make a determination because of the consequences of

such a determination to joinder, in the first

instance and, secondly, in relation to the

directions to the jury. In addition, of course, on

this case, the determination that "all evidence is

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admissible on all counts" arises on the basis of

the Crown case being a single project.

The High Court has in a number of cases now

dealt with what I have referred to as

"cross-admissibility"; that is, all evidence on one

count being capable of being admissible on other

counts and vice versa in circumstances where

similar fact principles apply. But, there has been

no case, that I am aware of, where it has been held

that evidence can be admissible on all counts even
though the offences are not joined pursuant to

similar fact principles. That, in my submission,

is an important question.

I distinguish the question of whether "evidence admissible on all counts" and vice versa,

in relation to similar fact principles - I

distinguish that question, of course, from where,

as His Honour Justice Brennan put to me, you have a

number of offences which are dependent on each

other in a progression because, in those

circumstances, one offence may have to be proved

before another offence is proved but what the Court
of Criminal Appeal has said here is that if

evidence is admitted, pursuant to a Crown case of a

single project or a course of conduct, then

cross-admissibility arises in relation to all of

the offences without distinction.

In my submission, as I have said, that is an

important matter which this Court should consider.

I say that that is wrong in principle and it is an

incorrect precedent in this State and should be

rectified. It applies to every case in which there

are multiple counts and it, in effect, in my

submission, is placing the test of admissibility at

the level of what the Crown contend is their case

rather than a consideration of the evidence. In my
submission, in no circumstances should the
requirement that the jury be directed as to the
separate counts be removed·because evidence is
found to be admissible on all counts.

I say that that is a matter that is so fundamental to the right to a fair trial that it

must warrant the grant of special leave in any

event. That this man did not have a trial in

relation to three separate offences; he had a trial

in relation to whether or not a Crown case of a

single project was made out and not whether or not

he was connected to each of the offences. Of

course, the quashing of the conspiracy count, in my

submission, in addition, resulted in a miscarriage

of justice to him because when there was no

separation of the counts the jury might well have

decided that he was guilty of the conspiracy first.

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~hat, in my submission, could not enable the other

two counts to remain afoot.

So, in my submission, there was a substantial

miscarriage of justice in relation to the trial of this applicant by reason of the non-directions and

by reason of the count of conspiracy being joined

in respect of which the Court of Criminal Appeal

held that there was no sufficient evidence. In my

submission, it is a special leave point that if

there are a joinder of counts and different issues arise, what are the obligations of a learned trial

judge in relation to directions to a jury. It

would, in my submission, govern the directions to a

jury in every trial upon which there were multiple

counts.

BRENNAN J:  But is there any real doubt about that? I mean

the duty of the trial judge is to ensure that the jury do not take evidence which is not admissible

into account in determining the verdict and in some

instances it may be necessary to sever the counts

even after the trial is started. There is no doubt

about that, is there?

MS SHAW: Well that is not what the Court of Appeal said

here, with respect, because at 1201 of their

judgment, the court said that, in relation to the

submission to that court:

Mrs Shaw argued that the summing up was

defective in that the learned trial judge did

not direct the jury as to the use to which

they could put individual items of evidence in

relation to the separate charges. I do not

think that there is any substance in this

argument. The learned judge rightly treated

the case as one in which the circumstantial
evidence directly relating to one count, also

supported the case in relation to the other

counts. Some judges might have been more

specific as to how the circumstantial evidence

might be applied in that respect, but the jury is quite able to use its common sense and I
think that the trial judges directions were
quite adequate in the circumstances.

BRENNAN J: That is a different proposition, is it not?

What Their Honours were there dealing with was

whether or not, the evidence being admissible on

all counts, the connection between a particular

piece of evidence and an element in one of the

counts charged was to be traced out by the trial

judge, or whether the jury could be left to work it

out for themselves. And they said the second. It
was not a question of admissibility; it was a
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question of the way in which a jury might regard it

as being probative.

MS SHAW:  It is not only a question of admissibility, in my

submission. It is a question of use in that there

must arise an impermissible use as to one count in

relation to another, for example, or in relation to

evidence of complicity in a burglary as to an

arson. So it is not a matter of whether or not

there is a link. It is a matter of what use can

the jury make of evidence - either permissible

use - impermissible use and to which issue does it

relate. The complaint to the Court of Criminal

Appeal was that there was no relationship to the

issues. At the very least the learned trial judge

should direct the jury as to what evidence is

relevant to the respective issues and the use they
make of that evidence, once the determination of

relevance or possible relevant has been made, is

the question, in my submission, which Your Honour

Justice Brennan has put to me, but I say that the

Court of Criminal Appeal here has a precedent for

this State that, if all evidence is admissible on

all counts, there is no requirement to divide up

the counts and direct the jury as to what is in

issue.

In my submission, that must be a special leave

point. It did not occur in this case and I say

that there is a substantial miscarriage of justice

to Mr Perkins, because of the failure of the
learned trial judge to direct the jury separately,
and I point to the prejudicial evidence of Turrell

that existed in the case, which would not have

helped his situation. That was described by the

learned trial judge as being the link between the

Kenneys and the man Read and Read was described as being the link between Perkins and the Kenneys. So

that Turrell's evidence, although the learned trial
judge did give a direction that it was not

admissible against Perkins, was there and it was

evidence to the effect that this was an insurance

rip-off and that people were getting paid,

including the man, Andy Read, who was accepted was

known to Perkins. So that I say that it is a

matter of special leave that there was a

substantial miscarriage of justice for Mr Perkins,

in addition to the other matters of law that I have

raised with the Court. Those are the matters of

special leave, if the Court pleases.

MASON CJ: Yes, thank you, Ms Shaw. The Court will take a

short adjournment in order to consider the course

that it will take in relation to this matter.

AT 12.26 PM SHORT ADJOURNMENT

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UPON RESUMING AT 12.42 PM: 
MASON CJ:  The Court need not trouble you, Mr Solicitor.

In the application by Kenney for special leave

to appeal, we are not persuaded that, in the

particular circumstances of this case, the omission

to give the jury further directions with respect to

the evidence of the witness Turrell, including a

warning of the danger of acting on that evidence,

was an error of law or that it resulted in an

inadequate presentation of the defence case or a
miscarriage of justice. In reaching that
conclusion, we have taken account of the fact that
at the end of the summing up the trial judge

offered counsel the opportunity of seeking further directions and counsel for the applicant sought no direction of the kind now contended for, being

content to rely on general submissions made earlier

in the trial.

In the application by Perkins, what I am about

to say represents the view of a majority of the

Court. We are not persuaded that there was any

error in the joinder of the counts in the

indictment and, having regard to the conduct of the

trial, including the omission of counsel to seek

further directions at the end of the summing up, we

are not persuaded that there was any miscarriage of

justice.

For these reasons the applications for special

leave will be dismissed.

12.42 PM THE MATTER WAS ADJOURNED SINE DIE

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