Johnson & Ors v Perez; Creed v Perez; Nickolaou v Papasavas, Phillips & Co (A Firm)

Case

[1988] HCATrans 8

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IN THE HIGH COURT OF AUSTR..A.LIA

Office of the Registry

Brisbane No B76 of 1987

B e t w e e n -

BARRY r-:ICHAEL JOHr~sor::' GF.EGORY

KILLI.Al'-: ~1iICHEL, ROSS ALLEN LC )~C~:ACO

and iaLLL.6..li ROBERT :t--:A.CDm:ALD tradin$

as B. r:-:. JOHNSON LO i>!ONACC 1-IACDOI>"'.ALD

(A Firm)

Aouellants

and

ANTOt:IO PEREZ

Respor.der:t

Office of the Registry

Brisbane No B77 of 1987

Between-

Perez

TEOEAS ~.ICILAJ.<.D AVALC!-'i CP.EED trading

as CREED & ASSOCIATES (A Firm)

Ap~ella::.t

and

ANTOl';Io PEREZ

Respondent

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Office of the Registry

Melbourne No M62 of 1987

B e t w e e n -

CHARALAMBOS NICKOLA.OU and

MARINA NICKOLA.OU (an infant by her

next friend CHARALAMBOS NICKOLA.OU)

Appellants

and

PAPA.SAVAS, PHILLIPS & CO (a firm)

Respondent

MASON CJ

WILSON J

BRENNAN J
DEANE J

DAWSON J

TOOHEY J

GAUDRON J

TRANSCRIPT OF PROCEEDINGS

AT CANBERRA ON TUESDAY, 16 FEBRUARY 1988, AT 10.16 AM

Copyright in the High Court of Australia
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MR D.F. JACKSON, QC:  May it please the Court, I appear with

my learned friend, MR G.T. BRITTON, for the

appellants in the first two appeals.

(instructed by Morris Fletcher & Cross)

MR G.L. DAVIES, QC:  May it please the Court, I appear with
my learned friend, MR S.G. JONES, for the
respondent in each of those appeals. (instructed
by Feez Ruthning & Co)
MR R.F. REDLICH, QC:  May it please the Court, I appear with

MR M. SHATIN, for the appellant in the third appeal.

(instructed by Cash & Stone)

MR P. BUCHANAN, QC: If the Court pleases, I appear with

my learned friend, MR J. RUSKIN, for the respondent

in that appeal. (instructed by Phillips Fox)

MASON CJ:  What is the convenient way of disposing of these

cases, to hear the first appeal out in full first

and thenfollow with the second appeal?

MR JACK?ON: Yes, You~~Honour.

MASON CJ:  Yes, Mr Jackson.

MR JACKSON: 

Your Honours, may I hand to the Court copies of our outline of submissions.

MASON CJ:  Thank you.
MR JACKSON:  Your Honours, although larger issues are dealt

with in the notice of appeal, in fact, it is proposed

to argue only one of those issues and that is

whether, in an action against a solicitor for failure

to institute or prosecute an action for damages

for personal injuries timeously, the damages which

the disappointed plaintiff might have recovered

are to be assessed on the one hand as the courts

below held as at the time of the trial of the action

against the solicitor or, as on the other hand

and as we would contend, as at the time when the

plaintiff's cause of action was lost, if I can
put it loosely, or when the original action might

have been tried absent negligence. I am conscious,

Your Honours, those are, potentially, two different

dates. In the end it seems not to matter for present

purposes.

Your Honours. in urging the second alternative,

we recognize that the plaintiff in such a case
would be entitled to a sum to compensate him for

being out of the money, if I can put it colloquially,

for some period.

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MR JACKSON (continuing):  Your Honours, I will come, of

course, to the particular cases a little later,

but may I state rather more exactly what I intend

to convey by the submissions which I have just

outlined.

Your Honours, when an injured plaintiff retains a solicitor to act in such a matter, the solicitor's

failure to prosecute the matter may give rise to

liability in contract or in tort and the liability

will arise if the solicitor, for example, fails

proceedings in such a way that they are dismissed
for want of prosecution as were the cases here.

to institute the proceedings or conducts the the matters may give rise to a liability in the

solicitor, for example, in cases where delay in
the prosecution of an action causes additional
fees to be paid or some other detriment but the
particular issues of that kind do not arise here.
And may I limit myself for the remainder of the
argument to instanceswhere the plaintiff's prospect
of recovery against the third party is lost.

Your Honours, in such a case, one of the matters

which must inevitably be taken into account in

any action against the solicitor is the amount

of the damages to which the plaintiff would have

been entitled if the proceedings in which he had

retained the solicitor had been prosecuted to

judgment. It may be, of course, that that figure

would have to be different from that which might

be awarded against the solicitor and the existence

of contributory negligence is but one example of
a circumstance which might produce the result,

namely, that the award of damages against the

solicitor would be different from that which might

be the assessment of damages in the first action,

if I can put it that way.

Your Honours, but excepting those possibilities,

the amount of the judgment which might have been

obtained against the third party is a necessary
element in the calculation of the damages which

the solicitor in default is to pay.

(Continued on page 5)

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MR JACKSON (continuing): But, the question which arises in

these proceedings is whether those damages should

be calculated as if the Court were now, that is, at

the time of the action against the solicitor, hearing

also the action against the third party or whether

the Court should look at what the damages in such an

action, that is the action against the third party,

might have been if the solicitor had performed his

undertaking or the plaintiff had not lost his right

to damages by the solicitors in action.

Your Honours, could I turn from that as briefly

as possible to the circumstances of the particular

cases and then go on to - after having done that -

advance the submissions which we make in relation to

the correct method of assessment. Your Honours, the

respondent was injured in accidents in the course of

his employment by three employers. The three accidents

occurred on 25 June 1968, on 31 August 1973 and on

19 Febuary 1981. Apart from the misfortune or

misfortunes of the occurrence of the three accidents,
the respondent suffered the further misfortune that
the appellants who were his solicitors in respect
of, in the case of one appeal, the first accident,
the 1968 accident and in the case of the other appeal,

the 1973 accident, did not pursue his actions against

the employers with the consequence that the appeals

were dismissed for want of prosecution.

The appeal by Johnson and Others is the appeal

in respect of, to put it loosely, the 1968 accident;

that by Creed is in respect of, again, to put it

loosely, the 1~73 accident. Your Honours, it was

not in issue in the courts below that the failure

of the appellants to pursue those actions was

negligent and I should also mention that whatever

may have been the position at the trial, it was not
in issue before the Full Court and, of course, is
not suggested now that the amount of damages which

the respondent might have obtained in either of those

actions should be notionally ceduced by reason of any

contributory negligence. (Continued on page 6)
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MR JACKSON (continuing):  Your Honours, the first accident,

the 1968 accident,occurred when the respondent was struck by a concrete panel which was being carried

by a crane. He was, at the time, working on the

construction of a cooling tower at the Gladstone

power house and a convenient summary of the nature

of the injury and its effects is to be found

the judgment of Mr Justice Ryan in his judgment,

which was the judgment of the Full Court at page 272,

lines 1 to 35, and Your Honours will see that the

respondent reported with persistent right side

headache and postural giddiness and loss of

concentration and of impairment to his memory.

Your Honours, the effect of that accident is

sufficiently summarized in that passage.

The respondent had cormnenced an action against

his employer within the three-year period - the
statement of claim appears at page (vii)- but the

appellants were not then his solicitors. They

received instructions in respect of that action in

December 1980 and the action was dismissed for want

of prosecution on 20 June 1983. Your Honours will
see that at page 234, lines 12 to 31. The damages

awarded by the primary judge in respect of that

injury were calculated in the manner set out at

page 275, connnencing at about line 13 and, Your Honours,

it may be convenient if I simply mention

a couple of things about the assessment of damages

there.

Your Honours will see in the middle of the

page a total $158,303.75. It consists of a number

of elements; one being that referred to as (a)

which was in respect of the period - that was

the only relevant injury and "a global award" as

His Honour put it of $30,000 was awarded.

(Continued on page 7)

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MR JACKSON (continuing): In respect of the period when the

two injuries were operative a global award again

at $45,000 was made and 40 per cent of that -

paragraph (b) was attributed to the first injury.

A similar percentage was applied to economic loss

in respect of the period from 1981, the occurrence
of the third injury,until the time of trial of
the action against the solicitor. Future economic

loss, item (d), had the same percentage applied

to it - that is future economic loss in respect

of the period after the trial of the present action.

A similar percentage in respect of pain and

suffering from 1981 onwards and then there are

items of special damages and items of interest,

including interest on, for example, the sum of

$30,000 referred to in paragraph (a).

Your Honours, it is clear that the primary judge assessed those damages as if he were trying

an action for damages for personal injuries at

that time. Could I refer Your Honours to page 241,

line 60, where His Honour said:

It seems to me that that period ought

to be assessed on a lump sum basis.

And he is referr:ing to the first period - $30,000 - Mr Britton has suggested that I ought to

assess on the basis of awards made back in

the past at certain points. As I

understand the current practice, assessments

are all made according to the prevailing

awards at the time of assessment. It would
seem to me that if that collection of
disabilities were before a court today, an

award of $30,000 to cover every aspect of

it would be adequate.

Your Honours, His Honour does not refer specifically

to that point again but it seems apparent that

the test he was referring to there was one which

he was applying generally and that appears to have

been accepted in the Full Court as appears at

page 283, line 20, where His Honour said:

But it would make a considerable difference

if the assessment was required to be made,
not at the date of trial but at a time
when the original actions might with
reasonable diligence have been tried.

And then he proceeds to elaborate upon that in the remainder of that paragraph and then following

on from that he goes on to reject that submission
a little later and I will come to those passages

in a few moments. Your Honours, the second accident,
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the 1973 acciden~ occurred when the respondent

slipped on a floor covered with ash from boilers.

The manner in which that accident occurred appears
at page 236, line 1 through to page 237, line 15.

And, Your Honours, as appears at page 236,

lines 44 to 45, the accident had a twisting effect

on the respondent's back and the primary judge

found at page 246, line 15, that in that accident

the respondent had suffered a disc injury which

was sufficient to reduce his working capacity.

And he found that there was a pre-existing

degenerative condition of the back - page 246,

lines 25 to 30, and that the back pathology was

in effect made worse by his psychological state -

that is that psychological state being one always

dormant butmade manifest by the first accident.

That appears at page 246, lines 48 to 53.

(Continued on page 9)

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MR JACKSON (continuing):  Your Honours, the respondent had

commenced an action for damages in respect of the

second accident against his employer on

18 June 1975. That appears at page (xix) of the

statement of claim in the present action,
paragraph 3, which was admitted by the defence.

I put it that way because the pleading in the

earlier action was not before the court but it

was admitted that the action was commenced on 18 June 1975 and it was dismissed for want of

prosecution on 16 October 1980.

Your Honour, the damages awarded by the primary judge in respect of this action appear

at page 275 in the judgment of Mr Justice Ryan.

Your Honours, an approach similar to that in respect of the first accident was taken by His Honour and

I do not think I need to go through the calculations

referred to there. An action against the employer

in respect of the third accident, that of

February 1981, was set down for hearing at the

same time as the two actions against the solicitors

and a hearing of that matter commenced but the

action was settled after one day's hearing.

The terms of settlement were not disclosed

but it is apparent that the plaintiff hurt his

hips and back when he was struck by a concrete

bucket handle. That appears - and perhaps I can
simply give Your Honours the reference in this

regard~ that appears at page 271, lines 39 to 48.

His Honour the primary judge found that the

plaintiff suffered a further injury to the disc

in that accident - that appears at page 246,

line 25. And the third accident, brought forward

by some five to ten years, a condition which

probably would have arisen in any case.

I should perhaps mention that His Honour

accepted the evidence of a Dr Curtis who had

estimated that the 1973 injury caused a disability

of 15 per cent and that the balance was attributable

to the later accident and Dr Curtis' evidence

appears conveniently at page 128. Your Honours,

could I move on from that to say that the result
is that the primary judge awarded the damages which
the respondent would have obtained if the actions
against the tortfeasors had been tried at the time

of the actions against the solicitors.

Your Honours, that, in our submission, 1s

not the correct approach and may I move, in just of this kind, it is appropriate in some cases for there to be a deduction for the possibility of

a moment, to our reasons for making that submission.

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a settlement at a lower figure or for there to

be a deduction because of the possibility that

the plaintiff might not succeed. Upon the evidence

before the primary judge and the findings made

by him there is not any basis for saying that the

amount otherwise to be awarded to the respondent

should be reduced by reason of considerations of

that kind and I do not wish to suggest that.

So the position ultimately, in our submission,

is one which turns on the correctness of the

selection of the time of assessment of the damages

that would have been obtained in such an action

as being as if the action were being tried at the

same time as the actions against the solicitors.

(Continued on page 11)

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MR JACKSON (continuing):  Your Honours, could I turn then

to our submissions. Where a person in the position

of the respondent claims damages against a solicitor

in these sorts of cases the damages will be of

two kinds. One kind, which is not material for

present purposes, is the amount of any expenditure

which is thrown away. The second kind is the value

of the right which has been lost by the action,

or inaction, of the solicitor.

Your Honours, I use the expression "right",

in some cases it may be a prospect. It may have

been that if the action went to trial the right,

the substantive right, would have been found not

to exist because the plaintiff would fail, but

I use it as a convenient expression to describe

the right, or the possibility, that damages to

obtain - or the possibility that damages would

have been obtained.

Your Honours, in relation to that right, what 1s lost by reason of the conduct of the solicitor

is the right to recover or the prospect or chance

of recovering damages and, Your Honours, the damages

are damages for personal injuries and that that

is the nature of such an action appears, in our

submission, from a number of cases in relation

to that type of action. Could I take Your Honours
to them as briefly as possible. The first of them

is the well known decision of the Court of Appeal

in England in KITCHEN V ROYAL AIR FORCE ASSOCIATION, (1958) 1 WLR 563 and could I go first, Your Honours,

to the judgment of Lord Evershed, Master of the Rolls,

at page 574 at the bottom of the page, where

His Lordship describes the courses which might

be taken in relation to such an action.

(Continued on page 12)

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1-R JACKSON (continuing):  He says:

If, in this kind of action, it is plain that an action could have been brought, and

if it had been brought that it must have

succeeded, of course the answer is easy.

The damaged plaintiff then would recover

the full amount of the damages lost by the

failure to bring the action originally.

~n the other hand, if it be made clear that

the plaintiff never had a cause of action, that there was no case which the plaintiff

could reasonably ever had formulated, then

it is equally plain that the answer is that

she can get nothing save nominal damages - and he goes on, then, to deal with the third

category which Your Honours will see in the first

paragraph on page 575 and then to say in the next

paragraph:

In my judgment, what the court has to do

(assuming that the plaintiff has established

negligence) in such a case as the present, is
to determine what the plaintiff has by that

negligence lost. The question is, has the

plaintiff lost some ~ight of value, some chose

in action of reality and substance?

And then, His Lordship goes on to discuss the

particular facts of the case and, at page 576 in

the fifth or sixth last line in his judgment says:

I think that the plaintiff established that

there was a cause of action and that she had

lost something of value.

Lord Justice Parker, at the bottom of page 576, goes on in the last four lines to describe his view

of the nature of such a cause of action. It is
similar to that to which Lord Evershed referred and If, in the year 1946 -

then, in the paragraph on page 577 commencing:

he goes on to say in the last three lines:

(Continued on page 13)

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"MR JACKSON (continuing):

I cannot say that the claim is bound

to fail and accordingly the plaintiff

is entitled to something more than

nominal damages.

Your Honours, those observations clearly are based

on the assumption that what is being spoken about is

an action against the solicitor to recover what has

been lost by the failure to prosecute, to put it

shortly, an earlier action against the solicitor.

Your Honours, the second case in which the same

approach is taken is YOEY.rAN'S EXECUTRIX V FERRIES

(1966) - - -

BRENNAN J:  Mr Jackson, before you leave that, I take it the reference to

nominal damages means that the action is being brought

in contract and not in tort?

"MR JACKSON:  One would think so, Your Honour, yes.
BRENNAN J:  At what date, then, does one assess damages7
"MR JACKSON:  Prima facie one should assess damages at the time

of breach, Your Honour, but that does not seem to be

a rule which is absolute. It may be, one would

think, in cases of this kind, that the disappointed

plaintiff would really be in a position to select

which of the measures of damages would be likely to be

more beneficial because assuming that the plaintiff

had a cause of action in contract or in tort, then if

it be that at the time when the breach occurred
the damages would be assessed on a particular basis -

and I will explain what I mean in a moment in relation

to that - which would arrive at result A, but if at the

time when the loss occurred, if one looked at it from

the point of view of tort, that the damages would be assessed on basis B, then A is lower than B, or vice versa, the plaintiff would be in a position to choose

which was the better for the plaintiff.

Your Honour, I said I would indicate what I meant

by the bases being different and what I mean is this:
it may be that there has been some statutory

intervention in the meantime which would, for example,

as there was in Queensland, a provision which

prescribed the rate of interest to be applied in

discounting, in calculating the amounts payable for

future losses. It may be that there has been -or it

may be there came into being a provision which limited

the amount of damages recoverable.

BRENNAN J:  When do you say the relevant loss occurs in these

cases?

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MR JACKSON:  In the particular cases, Your Honour?
BRENNAN J:  In general, where there is a loss of a prospect,

as you put it.

MR JACKSON:  Your Honour, if one is talking about an action

which is statute barred, then one would think

that if the action is dismissed for want of

prosecution, then the loss has finally occurred, if

I can put it that way, at the time when the action

is dismissed for want of - - -

BRENNAN J:  But not until then?

MR JACKSON: 

Your Honour, there has been some damage which may attract only nominal damage at the time when the

breach of contract occurred, but it would have to be
an earlier breach, Your Honour.  One is talking
about a breach which results in, in effect, the
action being dismissed.  It may be that there has

been a breach earlier, but that the damage has not been suffered in other than a nominal sense, until

the time when the action is no longer capable of
being pursued.  In any event, Your Honour, we would
accept the position that the plaintiff has the
opportunity to choose which measure of damages, if
there be a difference, is more advantages - which
type, I should say.

Could I hand to Your Honours copies of the

judgment in YOEMAN' S EXECUTRIX V FERRIES?

WILSON J:  Is this in the Scots Law Times?
MR JACKSON:  Yes, Your Honour. I was about to - - -
WILSON J:  We have it, I think, Mr Jackson, thank you.
MR JACKSON:  I am sorry, thank you. The reference,

Your Honours, is (1967) Scots Law Times 332, and I wanted to refer in particular to page 335.

Your Honours, at page 335 Lord Avonside, connnencing

in effect on the first line in the page, goes on
to discuss - is quoting, I should say, from an
earlier decision and then goes on in the middle of

the page to KITCHEN V ROYAL AIR FORCE ASSOCIATION

and, Your Honours, if one proceeds from there to the

bottom of page 335 in the right column, the last

complete paragraph, and the last sentence of that:

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MR JACKSON (continuing):

The decision re-emphasises, however, that

one must look to the value of a lost chance

to make a claim, an outlook which, with respect,

I believe to be correct and equitable.

Meaning, I think, fair, Your Honours,

the last word. And at page 336 His Lordship goes

on to discuss what would have been the possibilities
in relation to the manner of resolution of that

case and says, in the paragraph commencing a little

after half-way down the left column:

At the same time, if the case of the

pursuer had been conducted properly and under

competent direction, I consider those advising

him would have favoured a settlement of his

claim if some reasonable offer were made. And, Your -Honours, in the right column on the same

page - the second new paragraph:

Where a solicitor has been negligent,

in a case like the present, he has, in my
opinion, been guilty of depriving his client

of a right, the right legitimately to press

a claim for damages.

And he goes on to discuss the fact that some offer

would have been made and Your Honours, I shall

not read it out but if Your Honours were to follow the remainder of the judgment, it is apparent that the view taken by His Lordship was that he was

valuing the prospect, or chance, or right, to recover

damages in the earlier action. To the same effect

is the judgment of Chief Justice Bray in

TUTUNKOFF V THIELE, (1975) 11 SASR 148.

Now, His Honour discusses in this case,

commencing at page 149, the principles which 1n
his view are applicable and it is the third

paragraph of His Honour's reasons for judgment,

commencing just a little above half-way, and it

is interesting to note in that passage that in

the second sentence he says:

It is clear that if the plaintiff must have

won the statute-barred action he can recover

against the solicitor all the damages he could

have recovered in that action.

Speaking there, of course, about the statute-barred action.

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It is equally clear that if he must have lost

the statute-barred action he can recover

nothing against the solicitor except nominal

damages.

And then he goes on to dicuss the principle in

KITCHEN and refers to, immediately before the

reference to KITCHEN's case:

In such a case the chances that the plaintiff

would have su~ceeded in that action must be

assessed.

Now, Your Honours, the relevant part on that page

is the whole of that paragraph and having done

that the next relevant passage is at page 150.

And in the last paragraph on page 150 His Honour

says:

what I have to decide is what the plaintiff

has lost by the defendant's negligence and

what he has lost is what a court would have

awarded him in an action by him against his

employer, not what I would award if the present

action were an action against the employer
and there was no other evidence than that

before me.

Your Honours, at page 152 in the last complete

paragraph on the page, His Honour assesses the plaintiff's chances of complete success in the

lost action.

(Continued on page 17)

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MR JACKSON ( continuing) : And, finally, at page 155, His Honour

moves to the question of the time at which damages

should be assessed. He says, in the first new
paragraph on the page: 

The question has been raised, whether,

on the assumption that a suitable award of
damages will effect a psychological cure to
a substantial extent, I should assess the

damages as at the date when they would have

been paid if the lost action had proceeded

to judgment or whether I should assess them

as at the date I deliver judgment. On the

principle that he is to get what he lost by

not being able to prosecute the lost action,

it might seem that the first answer is the

correct one. On the other hand, if one of the

results of the defendant's negligence is that

the plaintiff recovers his damages later than

he would have done if there had been no

negligence, it would seem that the defendant

must pay for the consequences of the delay.

I think that is right.

Now, Your Honours, it is apparent when one goes a little

further down the paragraph that when His Honour says

"I think that is right", he is not saying that what

one should do is assess the damages as at the time of

the action against the solicitorr what he is saying

in effect is that one should assess the damages as at

the earlier time but add something because the money

was not paid at that time. Now, Your Honours, in fact,

in the particular case because of the brevity of the

gap between the two times, he simply assessed the

damages as at that time but it does not seem as

though he was seeking-to apply a different principle.

He goes on to say:

I do not know, however, that the practical

difference is great. This action has come on

for trial quickly and one of the reasons for

that is that liability has been admitted.

He goes on to discuss the times that would have applied and then says, in the last sentence of the paragraph:

I will proceed to assess the damages as at

the present day rather than go through the

exercise of assessing them as at a date a

year ago and then adding something for the

consequences of the delay, which would

probably achieve the same result.

Finally, Your Honours, at this point in relation

to the general principle, may I refer to a decision

of the Full Court of the Supreme Court of South Australia,

DOLMAN V PENROSE, (1983) 34 SASR 481.

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Now, Your Honours, in the judgment of Mr Justice Zelling

at the bottom of page 482, His Honour adopted what had

been said by Chief Justice Bray in TUTUNKOFF V THIELE

and then at page 483, in the new paragraph on that page,

said:

The net assets of the estate of the

deceased at the time of her death -

these were TFM proceedings, to put it shortly, which

had not been started and they might have been -

were of the approximate value of $48,000. learned Judge took into account in fixing

damages. With great respect I think that
figure was too low. The figure should have
been assessed as at the date on which the
original case, if it had been taken in time
and had proceeded to hearing and judgment,
would.have come on in Court, and a further
allowance should have been made on top of
that for the fact that the plaintiffs would
receive their damages later in any event
because the first action was not taken: see
TUTUNKOFF's case, at page 155.

And then His Honour goes on to apply those remarks

and the way in which he applied them was that the value

of the estate was a larger sum than that at the date of

death. He arrived at a figure for the value of the

estate at the end of the first paragraph on page 484

of $60,000.

Your Honours, at page 490, in the principal

judgment of Justice Bollen and the other member of

the court agreed, it is clear that he applies the

same general principles. He says in the last
paragraph on the page: 
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MR JACKSON (continuing):

The plaintiffs suffered a loss. Their

solicitors let them down.

And he goes on to say in the fifth line:

What is the, or a, right way to assess the damage or loss suffered by a client whose

solicitor has caused him to lose the value

of a right to make a claim recognised by

the law? I think that the starting point

is to define what it is that the plaintiff

has lost. For what is he to be compensated?

Put in a rough but convenient way it is

the lost chance to litigate. More precisely

stated it is that which he might reasonably

have been expected to gain by litigation.

In the word "gain" I include the fruits of a ..... compromise.

And he goes on to refer to KITCHEN V ROYAL AIR

FORCE ASSOCIATION. And having given a reference

to that, he goes on at page 491, to say:

His Lordship says that the Court must

somehow value that which the plaintiff has

lost. It follows from his Lordship's

remarks that a plaintiff will not

necessarily recover from his solicitor as

much as he would have recovered had he

succeeded in the "lost" claim.

And he goes on to elaborate upon that. Your Honours,

it being clear in our submission, that the view

which His Honour is taking is one which works on

the assumption that the amount recoverable is to

be assessed by reference to what might have been

obtained in the original action. At page 492,

in the last complete paragraph on the page,

His Honour says:  Those cases demonstrate what it is that

must be assessed in an action against a

solicitor for "letting a right of action

die". The chance of success and its

value, as best it can be determined, must
be assessed.

Your Honours, it is apparent, if one looks at page 496 and page 497 that when His Honour went

to apply the principles he had stated the issue
to which he was directing his attention was what

amount might have been recovered in the lost

proceedings. And it was unnecessary for him to

decide on a basis similar to that adopted by

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Justice Zelling because at page 497, about half-way

down the page, immediately above the table of

figures, he says:

I say that the estate may be "worth" about

$48,000 or $56,000 because it may well be

that an increased value of real estate (that

is, increased value since death) should

have been taken into account.

Your Honours, as is apparent in our submission

from the passages to which I have referred, one

aspect of valuing what is lost is to determine

what would have been awarded at the trial of the

lost action. And, Your Honours, that may differ

from the damages which would be assessed at a

later time and it may diffe for a number of

reasons. One reason is the there may be changes

in the law and I have menti-ned those in passing
in answer to Your Honour Justice Brennan, and if

I could just say them very briefly. For example,

a statutory limit may be placed on damages which

did not exist at the time when the original action

might have been heard. Your Honours, it may be

that there was a statutory limit which has been

removed. Again there may be a provision, a

statutory provision I am referring to, which affects

the method of computation of damages and,

Your Honours, such that occurred, for example, by - and could I hand these to Your Honours -

the amendment in Queensland to the COl-fHON LAW

PRACTICE ACT, effected by the amending Act of

1981 which inserted a new section 5 in an endeavour

to resolve such differences of view as existed

about the appropriate discount rate,fixed a

figure of 5 per cent, and Your Honours will see

section 7 of that amending Act appears to have

made it applicable to pending actions.

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MR JACKSON (continuing):  Your Honours, I do not make any

particular point out of the insertion of the

provision, I use it to exemplify the more general

argument that there may be changes in the method

of calculation of damages brought about, for

example, by statutory alterations between the

time when the original action might have been heard

and the time when the action against the solicitor

is heard.

Your Honours, leaving aside statutory

alterations, there may yet be differences in the

assessments which would result and the difference

may come about because matters which have been

mere possibilities may become realities or may

cease to be so. Again, other features relevant

to the assessment of damages may emerge, for example,

the fact that a person had a pre-existing condition of which nothing was known at the time when damages

might have been assessed.

Your Honours, not all those changes would

be in favour of the plaintiff, not all would be

against him. It could go either way. But the

possibility of those changes, after a time when

the original actions might have been determined,
renders it less than likely, in our submission,
that the correct test to be applied in assessing
the damages for the loss of that action is to assess
the damages at the time when the action against

the solicitor is to be heard.

The view that the assessment should be done

at the time when the first action might have been disposed of is supported by a number of features,

in our submission. One is, it is supported by

the approach in the cases to which I have earlier

referred. The second is that it is supported in

two unreported decisions to which I will now

refer Your Honours. They are both decisions of
the Supreme Court of Queensland before the
particular cases in question here. One is a decision

of Mr Justice Shepherdson in MUNRO V THOMAS. It was

action No 185 of 1983 and could I hand Your Honours

copies of the relevant parts of the judgment, the

judgment is much longer than that and I have not

extracted those parts. Could I hand also, for

the Court's records, a full copy of the decision.

Your Honours, the first page extracted is

page 21. Your Honours will·see that in the first

new paragraph His Honour commences to discuss the

principles and at the bottom of page 21 says that

he has:

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to decide what the plaintiff has lost by

the defendant's negligence (assuming it to

be proven) and what she has lost is what a

court would have awarded her in an action

by her against Curran not what I would award

if the present action were against Curran

and there were no other evidence than that

before me.

His Honour referred to TUTUNKOFF V FIELD and then

went on to say, after the reference in the middle

of page 22 to an extract from the judgment of

Bray CJ:

I should say at once that in the instant

case I have concluded that the plaintiff must

have won the action against Curran which is

now statute barred.

And he found no contributory negligence and then

went on to say he assessed:

on the basis of the plaintiff recovering
against the solicitor all of the damages she
could have recovered in the action against
Curran.

Your Honours, the pages between that page, 22, and 28 have not been extracted but 28 is and

Your Honours will see at page 28 that His Honour

says:

In the result I assess the plaintiff's

damages which she lost in the action against

Curran as follows:-

(This assessment assumes judgment being given in say mid-1984) -

and then he goes on to set out the figures.

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MR JACKSON (continuing):  I might say in passing - and

Your Honours, ·not having been there one does

not know if His Honour expressed any view about the difficulty of doings.o - buthe appears to be

able to do so as a matter of course, a matter

which is relevant to a reservation he later expressed

in a case to which I will come in a moment, by

Mr Justice Miles about the manner of doing so.

Now, His Honour then goes on to say, at the top

of the next page:

This action was commenced in 1983 and

it seems to me that if the plaintiff had

succeeded in proving a retainer and negligence
then she has also lost the opportunity of

having in her hand the damages she would have

received in the action against Curran.

And he went on to say that he allowed:

1n addition by way of damages a further sum

of $7,200 being interest ..... at the rate of

12 per cent per annum for about one year.

Now, Your Honours, that, in our submission, is

an approach to the assessment which was an approach

which was, if I may say so, with respect, orthodox.

BRENNAN J:  What would you say about a plaintiff who is

suffering from litigation neurosis which is

prolonged by the non-prosecution of the action?

MR JACKSON:  Your Honour, so far as the damages to be awarded

in the action against the solicitor are concerned

then that seems to be a separate element of damages

for personal injuries recoverable against the

solicitor as distinct from being recoverable in
the original action. It does not affect, in our
submission, the general proposition which I was

advancing.

DAWSON J:  And do you say you are allowed to look at the
later facts in order to interpret the earlier evidence
- to prefer fact to prophecy?
MR JACKSON:  Your Honour, can I put it yes and no, meaning

by that, Your Honour, that what one is doing is

to assess what damages the plaintiff might have

obtained in an action tried at an earlier time.

And what one has to look at is what the case was

at that time. Now, if it be that the case at that

stage was that the plaintiff had what was assessed

to be, let us say, a disability of a leg of some

50 per cent then the value of the lost action would

remain a value calculated at that notwithstanding

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the fact that there was an improvement in the leg

at a later point, albeit before the time when the

action against the solicitor was heard, which meant

that the disability was not 50 but 15, or vice

versa, Your Honour.

DAWSON J:  Well, essentially that 1s an answer; you cannot
look at the later facts to interpret the earlier
MR JACKSON:  Yes. Your Honour, I hAve a slight reservation

because of what Your Honour Justice Brennan put

to me. There may be cases where one is really

looking at the situation - one is entitled to look

at what has happened with a view to quantifying

the damages against the solicitor rather than the

damages that wbuld originally have been awarded.

Your Honour, I should also say one other thing

and that is that it may be that if one is looking

at - that if one is trying to work out what some

aspects of a plaintiff's case were, that it may be

that one is better able to quantify - I am not

talking about the prospects. Your Honour, might

I start that again. What I am endeavouring to

say - not very well - is that one looks at prospects

as they were at the time when the action might

have been tried in the first place.

It may be that in respect of some matters

of fact, as distinct from what the prospects were,

that the later events cast light on what the position

was at that time but I do not resile from - I iust

would like to reserve the position a little if~

I may, Your Honour.

BRENNAN J: In seeking to identify what it is that the plaintiff

has lost one can say, I suppose, one has lost a cause of action in the case of a statute-barred

piece of litigation but, of course, that cause

of action would not have been turned into money

until the action had been tried - - -
MR JACKSON:  Or otherwise resolved, Your Honour.
BRENNAN J:  Or otherwise resolved, yes.

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BRENNAN J (continuing): Are we talking then about a lost

cause of action because, if so, then the cause of

action remains lost right up until the moment when the action against the solicitor is concluded? It

has never been litigated. Or, are we talking about

the prospect of recovering damages as being lost,

because if the latter then the question arises as
to whether it would have been tried at some quick

time after the alleged negligence or whether it might

have languished in a list for a long time though

never being liable to being struck out for want of

prosecution.

MR JACKSON:  Your Honour, it is difficult, in our submission,

to adopt the former view that one is speaking about

a lost cause of action. In some cases it may be that

what is lost is a cause of action which would have

resulted in the award of damages. In other cases

it may be that one is talking about a claim which
would not have resulted in an award of damages because
if it had been adjudicated upon judicially it would
have been found not to amount to a cause of action.

And in other cases, one is talking about something

that one cannot say, in a definitive way, whether it

is or is not or was or was not a cause of action,

it was a claim, and a claim which may have resulted

in one of a number of things:  one would be the payment

of a sum of money pursuant to a judicial order; second,

would be that a sum of money be paid by agreement to

extinguish the right whether it existed or not,

extinguish the claim; the third would be that it was

something that was proved not to result in a cause

of action.

So that, Your Honour, one is not really, in our submission, likely to be selecting the right criterion

if one says that one is talking about a lost cause

of action, because one is really talking about the

fact that one had a right to claim and the claim may

or may not have been one that was ultimately valuable.

So that one is talking about that, Your Honour, if
I can put it that way. I do not know that that

quite answers Your Honour's question, or the first

part of it. The second part I appreciate _and that is that there may be difficulties in determining at what

exact time, if I can put it that way, the decision

might have been made, whether the claim was ultimately

productive of money, or not.

Your Honour, one would accept that there are

theoretical difficulties - and I do not mean that in
the slightest degree offensively, Your Honour -
theoretical difficulties in respect of any action
that ex hypothesi has not come on for trial in saying

when it should have come on for trial. I put it that

way, Your Honour, for this reason, that whilst the

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difficulties are ones that are theoretical in a sense,

if one is looking at it in hindsight, as a practical

matter one would think it is possible really to say

when a particular action should have come on because

actions tend not to be things that exist by themselves
and in the absence of other actions. There are

usually like actions, particularly in the class of

thing we are talking about. They tend to be, or

they should be, Your Honours, in lists. There is a

course or procedure which should usually follow in

respect of them.

So, Your Honour, I cannot remove the difficulties,

but what I would submit in relation to them is that they are difficulties which in the end are not ones

that should be decisive of the matter.

DAWSON J:  It might be crucial, might it not? If there is a

change in the law, for instance, it might be crucial

to fix the point precisely.

MR JACKSON:  Of course, Your Honour, yes, but that is a
question which the judge who is trying the action against the solicitor is capable of determining,
with respect.
DAWSON J:  On what principles?
MR JACKSON:  By saying, Your Honour, if one takes, say, the

latest date, let us say the date at which the action

became no longer available because it was dismissed

for want of prosecution, by saying, "At that date the

matter could have been tried", or, "At that date the

matter could have been tried by a certain time after

that if it had not been struck out", or by saying,

"If the solicitor had not been negligent at an earlier

point the action would have been tried by

4 December 19 - whatever it might be."

(Continued on page 27)

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MR JACKSON (continuing):  Your Honour, I accept the potential

difficulties in particular cases but in the end what the plaintiff in such a case is saying is, "I have

lost a right" and the right is one which would have been likely to result by being awarded a particular

sum.

BRENNAN J:  Why do you not say "the loss of the money that I

would otherwise have received, when I would have

otherwise received it"?

MR JACKSON:  Well, not for any particular reason,

Your Honour, ..... use that lack of felicity - I

am always hesitant to adopt expressions used by, with

respect, others when one does not quite know what

matters lie behind the selection of them.

Your Honours, having referred to MONRO V THOMAS and the lack of any difficulty of the nature referred

to by Your Honours found by His Honour in selecting

1984 in that case, may I refer to another decision

in the Supreme Court of Queensland, that is,

MERENDA V EVANS, a decision of Mr Justice Macrossan, No 21 of 1982. Your Honours, could I hand copies to

the Court. May I delay for a moment handing
Your Honours the copy of the original judgment because, as always seems to happen, one of the pages has been
omitted from the copy of the extracts which Your Honours
have. Your Honours, at page 42, the first extracted
page, His Honour says in the second sentence of the
first new paragraph:

It is the prospects of success in the action

which might have been brought which are

relevant and it is not strictly a question
of trying another action within the present
action ...... The Court has to determine

the value of what has been lost, as best it

can.

Now, His Honour goes on, then, at page 43, to discuss

the standards and so on and then, at page 44, says:

I note at this point that there was no

evidence placed before me as to the likely

date of any trial which would have followed,

had proceedings been commenced by the issue

of a writ in June 1979. This is a relevant

matter for consideration when attention is
turned to assessment of the damages which
the plaintiff might have hoped to recover
in any such action and also for the purpose

of considering an award of interest in the

present action upon a sum which might have
been recovered at some particular earlier

date.

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Jackson and Powell -

and he is referring there to Jackson and Powell,

Professional Negligence, 1982 -suggest that the

suggest that the tariff prevailing at the

date when the award might have been made,

is the relevant tariff, citing an unreported

case. This is appealing as being an approach supported by logic, but in other cases it has been thought to raise difficulties although

not necessarily to lead to a practical

difference in the award.

His Honour then referrs to TUTUNKOFF V THIELE and

to a decision of Mr Justice Miles in VULIC V BILINSKY

to which I will come in just a moment and then at

the top of page 45:

It appears that Shepherdson J., in

MUNRO V THOMAS ..... assessed at an earlier

date, but he did so without any extended

discussion of the matter. I am attracted

by the logic of assessment at the date when

the award was likely to have been made, so far

as that date is capable of being ascertained.

And then His Honour went on to say at pages 50 and 51 -

at the top of page 51 that he selected:

Rather arbitrarily, a period of two years after

the issue of a writ in June 1979, as marking

out the acceptable period for bringing the
notional personal injuries action to trial,
but nothing, in my view, turns upon a precise

estimate of this date.

(Continued on page 29)

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MR JACKSON (continuing): His Honour went on to say that he -

half-way down that page, valuing the lost chance

of bringing the proceedings:

Overall, I would assess this figure at

$5,000.00 at, say, June 1981 -

and then went on to say that:

if the plaintiff were otherwise to succeed

in the present action, that figure should

carry with it an award of interest to the date of this judgment from a date

which may appropriately be taken as the

date of the issue of the writ in the

present proceedings.

Your Honours, could I retain that for a moment and

then have copies taken for Your Honours and give

them to you after lunch, perhaps:

DAWSON J:  Mr Jackson, what happens if you have a defendant

in the action which has been lost who would have

been :incapable of paying the damages? Does that
mean the value of the chance is nil?
MR JACKSON:  Your Honour, it may well have an effect upon

it, yes. If one had, for example, an action for

damages for personal injuries against an uninsured

defendant, perhaps in a jurisdiction where there

was no provision for insurance and the defendant
was a bankrupt company - a company in liquidation -

well, then the value of the prospect of success

is something that - - -

DAWSON J:  So really the date is the date of the loss of

recovery, which is what Mr Justice Brennan put to

you I think?

MR JACKSON:  In one sense, Your Honour, yes. What one looses

is either a sum of money or the value of the

right to get the sum of money; the right to get

the sum of money meaning, for the purposes of

the submission, a judgment for the money for

example. And, Your Honours, it may be that it is
not worth much. Your Honours, the judgment of

Mr Justice Macrossan referred to JACKSON V POWELL -

it might be convenient if I were to hand to

Your Honours copies of the extract, it is

paragraph 108. It does not take it past what

His Honour said. Your Honours, one has, of course,

also the judgment of the Full Court of the

Supreme Court of Victoria - Your Honours

unfortunately the photocopying has chopped off the left side of the page, but the number 114 .108 ''has
been written on there. Your Honours, one has
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also the judgment of the Full Court of the Supreme

Court of Victoria in NICKOLAOU & ANOR V PAPASAVAS

PHILLIPS & CO, which is the judgment under appeal

in the other case. Now, Your Honours, I do not

really want to go into that, however, to the

extent to which I can avoid doing so, but of

course the decision, if it be correct, is one

which supports, needless to say, and Your Honour, the

argument becomes circular, supports our case.

But, may I simply refer Your Honours,without

attempting to read them,the passages which, in

our submission, correctly state the principles

applicable and could I give it to Your Honours

by reference to the appeal record in that case.

At page 73, in the judgment of the Chief Justice,

about line 24 to the end of that paragraph,

His Honour records the submission and then at
page 74, about lines 13 to 16, draws the distinction
between the original action and the action in

question. And at page 75, going over to page 76,

His Honour again refers to the same matter whilst

looking at the loss of a chance.

(Continued on page 31)

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MR JACKSON (continuing): And at page 76 line 19 says:

an estimate has to be made when such an

action might have been heard.

At page 77, lines 11 to 16, refers, correctly in

our submission, to the fact that:

The principle earlier referred to whereby

the law prefers facts to prophecies can have

no application for what has to be assessed

is the value as at -

and he goes on to elaborate upon that. And

Your Honours, one accepts the facts that preference

of the law relevantly for facts to prophecies but one does that as at the time of the first action.

Your Honours, at page 80, the last five lines

on the page, His Honour expresses his view on the

matter which is in accordance with the submissions

which I have advanced. The second judgment was

that of Mr Justice Kaye at page 87, lines 20 to 25,

where His Honour sets out his view of the nature

of the action against the solicitor and at page 90,

lines 20 to about 35, which seems to be the central

part of His Honour's judgment. And then page 95,

lines 8 to 10, and the second indenting after

line 10. And page 97, lines 7 to 12.

Your Honours, Mr Justice Murphy's judgment,

at page 109, line 22 through to page llD, line 2;

page 111, lines 12 to 15; page 115, lines 20 to

the bottom of the page and page 118, lines 7 to 14,

and page - I do not know if I gave Your Honours

page 125, lines 1 to 6. And finally, page 128,

lines 19 to 24. Your Honours, I do not want to

go over that case but, in our submission, it does

support the contentions we have been advancing.

decision which appears to be to the contrary and Could I turn from that to the principal that is the judgment of Mr Justice Miles in

VULIC V BILINSKY, (1983) 2 NSWLR 472. The passage

which is relied on in the judgment of the Full

Court in Queensland in these cases is that which

appears at the bottom of page 486, the last

paragraph, where His Honour says that he returns:

to the question of whether for the purposes
of this case the court should try to project

itself back in time to a period when the

plaintiff might have been expected to have

brought the action on for hearing and if it

had come on for a hearing within the time

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expected for uncomplicated cases in which

a writ had been issued in the middle of 1970.

Your Honours, may I say, initially in relation

to that, it appears to have been a combined

submission; that is, a submission combining both

aspects of it, namely, that the time was that when

the plaintiff might have been expected to have

brought the action on for hearing and if it might

have come on for hearing within the time expected

for uncomplicated cases. And I put it that way,

Your Honours, because the second part of the

observations made by His Honour seem to be directed

to the second part of the submission and it is

not really very clear what His Honour is saying

unless he is speaking in a particular context.

He says that:

Again this submission seems to me to be open

to two objections. The first is the notion

that the court can project itself back in

time to imagine as it were that it was deciding

a case at a prior point in time. Although

I suppose it is notorious that the level of

damages has increased markedly over the years,

it is quite impossible in my view for a tribunal

of fact to say what it would have awarded

at such prior point of time as contrasted

with what it will award in respect of the

same facts in a verdict arrived at at the

present time.

(Continued on page 33)

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MR JACKSON (continuing):  Well, Your Honours, it is a matter

of view, of course, but Mr Justice Sheperdson had

no particular difficulty in going back a year;

Mr Justice Macrossan appeared to be able to do

it also, and one would think that a court is able

to assess such matters. Your Honours, for example,
His Honour goes on to say: 

Would for instance one apply the principles

for assessing the present value of future

economic loss as applied since TODOROVIC V WALLER.

And Your Honours, well, one would think that that is

one of the easier cases, really - easier instances.

One could see, for example if one were talking

about Queensland, whether the change in the law

that was brought about by the 1981 Act should or

should not apply by the selection of a date; one

could see that if it did not apply what the tariff

in relation to the percentage was. I use the term

"tariff" with a degree of distaste, Your Honours,

but it is referred to, in fact, in TODOROVIC V WALLER

as being 8_ per cent, being that commonly used

in Queensland at the time. So, Your Honours,

one recognizes the existence of potential difficulties

but it may, in fact, be in a sense easier to assess

what would have been the position at an earlier

time because the evidence may be less complicated

than it is at the later time.

Your Honours, His Honour goes on to say then:

Secondly, the hypothesis verges on the unreal.

And His Honour is there, I think, referring to

that part of the submission which says that the matter should be tried as if it would have come on within the time expected for uncomplicated cases

in which a writ had been issued in the middle of 1970.

His Honour refers to that as a hypothesis and he

appears to be destroying that hypothesis in the

remainder of that paragraph.

Your Honours, if he is endeavouring to state

a general proposition one sees no particular difficulty,

with respect, in identifying when a matter might

ordinarily have come on for trial.

Your Honours, could I go from that and, finally,

to the view taken by the Full Court in the present

appeals and in that regard may I take Your Honours

to page 286. Now, Your Honours, in the pages prior

to page 286 the remarks in earlier cases to which

I have referred have been discussed and then

His Honour says - about line 15:

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In PHILLIPS V WARD, (1956) 1 WLR 471 at page 474,

Denning LJ said that the general principle

of English law is that damages must be assessed

as at the date when the damage occurs. But

in O'BRIEN V McKEAN (1968) 118 CLR 540, it

was said by Barwick CJ ( at p. 545) that in

the case of personal injuries, though there

may be something to be said logically for
making the assessment of damages as at the
date of the receipt of the injuries, the date
of the verdict was the proper date at which

to make the assessment. It is true, as

Young CJ pointed out in NICKOLAOU, that the
action against the solicitors is not an action
for damages for personal injuries but one
for breach of duty as a solicitor. However,

where, as I consider to be the case here, the proper quantum of damages recoverable

from the solicitors is that sum of money which

would restore the plaintiff to the position

he would have been in if the actions for personal

injuries had been brought against the original

tortfeasors, it seems appropriate to make

the assessment of damages in the same manner

as in an action for personal injuries.

Well, Your Honours, that is correct, in our submission,

if one makes the assessment of damages in the same

manner as in an action for personal injuries but

as in the action for personal injuries which might

have been brought by the disappointed plaintiff.

It is that which one converts over to the action

against the solicitor and it is not, in our submission,
for the reasons I have advanced already, correct

to make the jump from that to the action against

the solicitor so that the action against the solicitor

is tried as if it were the original action for

damages for personal injuries.

Your Honours, those are our submissions.

Our contention is that if the appeals were to succeed then the appropriate course would be new trials

limited to the question of damages.

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MASON CJ:  Thank you, Mr Jackson. Yes, Mr Davies.
MR DAVIES:  May it please the Court, may I hand up some

outlines of our submissions.

MASON CJ:  You deal with some matters, of course, that have

not been advanced by Mr Jackson.

MR DAVIES:  Yes. I was going to mention that at the outset,

Your Honour.

MASON CJ:  Yes.
MR DAVIES:  Your Honours, may I mention at the outset, then,

that subparagraphs (4), (5) and (6) of paragraph 1 of

our outline are no longer relevant, and nor are

paragraphs 7 and 8 of our outline. Your Honours,

can I go immediately to what the Court of Appeal in

KITCHEN and what Chief Justice Bray in TUTUNKOFF meant when they were talking about loss of a chance

because, in .our respectful submission, the Full Court

of Victoria misunderstood what those courts were

saying in saying that and we have set out in

paragraph 2 of our outline the way in which we say

the Full Court of Victoria misunderstood those

decisions because it failed to distinguish between

two questions; the first whether the plaintiff would

have succeeded in the hypothetical action, or, if

that cannot be determined, what the chances of success

were; and secondly quite different questions, but

coming up to one question, that is how one then

assesses the damages and the action against the

solicitor. The first of those is really the lost

cause of action, in Your Honour Justice Brennan's

terms, and the second is a quite different question.

What the Full Court of Victoria seemed to be

saying, each of the members of it seemed to be saying is

that loss of a chance includes not only what was

theprospect of success in the earlier action, but

how much you would have been likely to get in that earlier action if the action had been tried at the earlier point of time. Clearly enough, in our
respectful submission, that is not what either the
Full Court was saying in KITCHEN or what
Chief Justice Bray was saying in TUTUNKOFF.

Can I take Your Honours back to KITCHEN, just for

one passage to which our learned friend already

referred. That is (1958) 1 WLR 563, and the passage

which our learned friend read from, from the judgment

of Lord Evershed and to which I would like to return, is the passage on page 575, the second full paragraph.

When in that first and second sentence of that

paragraph His Lordship is talking about determination

of that value it is clear, in our respectful

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submission, that he is not talking about how much the
plaintiff would have been likely to have got in the

case in the hypothetical action because that was a

case where there was a statutory amount which the
plaintiff would have been likely to recover. What
he was talking about, and all he was talking about,

was how in a case where you cannot say with

confidence the plaintiff would have won or would have

lost, what his percentage chance of success was in

that earlier action.

The same is true of Chief Justice Bray in

TUTUNKOFF, if I can take Your Honours to what he said

in the passage which our learned friend cited at

pages 150 and 151. The reference to the case,

Your Honours, is (1975) 11 SASR 148, and in the passage

at the bottom of page 150 His Honour was answering a

contention for the plaintiff, as Your Honours will

see there:

Mr Fricker, for the plaintiff, contended

vigoroursly that I was only at liberty to assess the plaintiff's chances of success

in the lost action on the basis of the

evidence before me.

What he was saying is that in determining what the

plaintiff's chances of success in the lost action

were, either judge can look not only at the evidence
which is before me now, but at the evidence which
would have been before the, or might have been before

the original trial judge when he would have

determined the action, but has been lost, often

as of course is the case because of the solicitor's

negligence in failing to pursue the action.

(Continued on page 37)

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MR DAVIES (continuing):  So, in our respectful submission,

what these earlier cases say is not that in any

respect one attempts to assess damages at some

earlier point of time, what they say and no more

is that one has to determine the question of what

the prospects of success are in the hypothetical

action, notonly on the basis of the evidence that

remains available but, also, on the basis of evidence
which might have been available to the trial judge

but has subsequently been lost.

Now, Your Honours, I do not want to take you

to the passages in NICKOLAOU in which that emerges.

Can I simply say - I can give Your Honours the

passages. Unfortunately, they would be to the advantage of the appeal books in the other appeal.

without taking Your Honours to them. In the judgment Perhaps I could just give Your Honours the references
of the Chief Justice, 68,499 towards the bottom of
column 1 to 68,500, about half-way down column l;
68,496 at the bottom of column 2 to 68,497 about
the middle of column 2 and 68,500; Mr Justice Kaye
at 68,503, column 2, about the middle and 68,506,
column 1, towards the bottom; Mr Justice Murphy at
68,516 at the bottom of column 1.

Now, that question just did not arise in these

appeals as our learned friend ultimately concedes

before you and the only reason why I am addressing

Your Honours on that topic is because that really

led the Full Court into error in NICKOLAOU and,

in our respectful submission, must be one basis of

our learned friend's submissions here. fut the question

about liability, the prospects of success in the earlier

action, did not arise in either of these two cases

because of the determination by His Honour the trial

judge in the actions against the solicitor, that is,

Mr Justice Demack in this case in which he did

conduct, in effect, a trial within a trial, found

in one case that there was no contributory negligence

as well as deciding in each case that themwas

negligence of the defendant and can I simply give

Your Honours the passages in which he did that:

page 234, line 10; 235., line 40; 237, line 25 - that

is the first claim, that is the one against Transfield,

the Johnson claim,and the second one against Worldwide

Coating, the Creed claim, judgment at 236, line 1 to 237, line 35. So, it did not arise in this case. It
did arise in TUTUNKOFF as Chief Justice Bray recognized.

It was one of those cases where the judge in that case
could not say that the plaintiff either would have

succeeded or would have failed in the hypothetical

action and so he had to assess the chances of success

and he said, quite rightly, that the plaintiff should

not be disadvantaged because of the loss of evidence

on that question between the date of the hypothetical

trial and the date of the actual trial against the

solicitor.

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Two other cases in which that principle was

applied,and I do not want to take Your Honours to

decision of the Supreme Court of the Northern

them, are PRIOR V McNAB, (1975) 78 DLR (3d) 319, a a

Territory.

(Continued on page 39)

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MR DAVIES (continuing): Can I then come to the central

question, the date upon which the damages should

be assessed, and the general principle, in our

respectful submission, is that which is stated

in paragraph 4 of our outline, that is, that it

is the sum of damages which should as nearly as

possible be that sum which at the time of receiving

it places the plaintiff in the same position as

he would have been in if he had not sustained the
wrong. In this case we are talking about, of course,

the solicitor's wrong.

Can I give Your Honours some references to

authority on that question: first, LIVINGSTONE

V RAWYARDS COAL CO, (1985) AC 25, at 39.
Lord Blackburn said:

I do not think there is any difference of opinion as to its being a general rule that,

where any injury is to be compensated by

damages, in settling the sum of money to be
given for reparation of damages you should

as nearly as possible get at that sum of

money which will put the party who has been

injured, or who has suffered, in the same

position as he would have been in if he had

not sustained the wrong for which he is now

getting his compensation or reparation.

And we emphasize the "now". And the same principle was stated in slightly different words by a number of Your Honours in TODOROVIC V WALLER. Can I just

give Your Honours the page references without reading

the passages. The reference to TODOROVIC is
(1981) 150 CLR 402. The passages are in the joint

judgment of the former Chief Justice and

Your Honour Justice Wilson at page 412, the judgment

of Your Honour the present Chief Justice at

page 442 and the judgment of Your Honour

Justice Brennan at page 463.

Now we say that this can only be achieved

by assessing damages as at the date of the verdict

against the solicitor, at least in two respects,

and these two are really sufficient for our purposes,

although we would really take it further than that

and the two respects are that it be in the money

of the day of the verdict against the solicitor
and the second;that it is to have regard to events

which have occurred since the date on which the

cause of action arose and also since, if it matters,

the date upon which the hypothetical action

might have been determined which convert contingencies

into certainties.

With respect to the first of these, Your Honours,

the decision of this Court in O'BRIEN V McKEAN

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1s authority, 118 CLR 540 first, in the judgment

of Chief Justice Barwick ~t 545. In the second

sentence on that page His Honour said:

The successful plaintiff in an action for

such damages is to be compensated in the money

of the day, if I may be permitted what might

be thought to be a departure in expression from a strict nominalistic theory of money.

So much, I think, is well established in

English law -

and he gives an illustration. Then, in the

following paragraph he says:

In the case of such personal injuries,

though there may be something to be said

logically for making the assessment of damages

as at the date of the receipt of the injuries,

the date of the verdict is, in my opinion,

the proper date as at which to make the
assessment.

And then in the judgment of - I should mention perhaps in passing that Mr Justice McTiernan agreed

generally with the Chief Justice and with his
observations - specifically his observations with

respect to the change in value of money. That

appears towards· the bottom of page 552.

Justices Taylor and Menzies, at page 553,

at the top of the page, quoting from the judgment

of Mr Justice Smith said:

(Continued on page 41)

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MR DAVIES (continuing):

With this we respectfully agree and we

also agree with that learned judge that
the general principle is applicable to

the assessment of damages for personal

injury. What is to be awarded is a sum

which, at the time of the award -

then they go on and I will not read any further.

WILSON J: But, Mr Davies, if one did contemplate making

the award at the date of the notional trial,

would not a grant of interest accommodate the

changing value of money, as well as the fact that

the party has been held out of his damages?

MR DAVIES: There may of course be other factors involved

and perhaps this is not answering Your Honour,

but one factor which His Honour Justice Brennan

mentioned during the course of my learned friend's

argument, which is in fact a factor in this case,

is that damages were increased by the failure to
prosecute this action diligently and they continue

to increase.

WILSON J: Because of the psychological- - -

MR DAVIES:  Yes.
WILSON J:  But that is a separate head of damage, surely?

MR DAVIES: 

It is and probably that just highlights the point that the assessment of damages, really, in our

respectful submission, must be more than what - I do not mean more than an amount - but it must involve more than simply determining what would have been ordered in a hypothetical trial.

WILSON J: Yes, because the action against the solicitor is not

an action for personal injury simpliciter.
MR DAVIES:  No, quite, but - - -

WILSON J: That does not seem to answer the first proposition

to which you have been, I.directing your attention

that the damage or the damages suffered by the

failure of the action to come on when it should

form an element in the damages due against the

solicitors,assessed as they would have been at the

time of the notional trial?

MR DAVIES:  Can I simply say, Your Honour, that if it does

achieve the same result, one can achieve it with much

greater certainty,with much less speculation,by

doing it at the date of trial and we would really

ask rhetorically, why should the plaintiff recover

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less from his negligent solicitor than he would

have recovered against the original tortfeasor if

that earlier action had been heard on the day of his

action against the negligent solicitor?

WILSON J: But, really what you are saying there is, that why

should he recover less against the solicitor than

he would have against the original tortfeasor had

that action against the tortfeasor been advanced to the

date of the trial against the solicitor?

MR DAVIES:  Yes, I am saying that. But, in our respectful

submission, it may well be for other reasons, of course,

that mere interest would not compensate him. I mean

it is not just the fact that he is kept out of the

interest payments on his money. It may be that it is

very difficult to pick a rate of interest which does

in fact reflect the loss which he suffered by the

delay. The fact that the - - -
WILSON J:  In the depreciation of the currency?

MR DAVIES: Yes, and there may be other factors involved in

the fact that he has been kept out of that money since

the date upon which the action might have come on for

trial in the original proceeding and the date of the

actual hearing against the solicitor. And, if one

accepts the general principle which we advance, which

is that the object of damages is to place the plaintiff

at the date of the trial of his action against the
solicitor in the same position as if the tort had not
occurred, then that is a very good reason for assessing

damages in the money of the day of that verdict.

Your Honours, I was whilst on O'BRIEN V MCKEAN going to refer

finally to the judgment of Mr Justice Windeyer which

was to the same effect where, at the bottom of

page 554, His Honour said:

I was concerned with the reasons his Honour

had given for estimating a loss of earning capacity by reference to the rate of wages
payable at the time the incapacity occurred
rather than with the rate payable for the same
work at the time when damages fell to be
assessed, namely the date of the hearing. I
considered that it was in the light of all the
facts then existing that the damages flowing
from the tort should be measured.

And, Your Honours, one can see particularly how this

applies in a personal injuries action because what one is doing, of course, in personal injuries action in,say,things like loss of earnings, one can with some

degree of certainty, never wholly of course, but with

some degree of certainty fix what the loss of earnings

and say what the loss of earning capacity has been up

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to the date of trial, and then one guesses as to

what that is in the future. And one may in fact

in making that guess consciously or unconscioulsy take into account future inflation. But in a case

such as this a good deal of the guesswork is taken

out of it by the time the Toter ·action comes on

against the solicitor because then one can look

at the events up to that time and say not just there

are contingencies which have developed into

certainties with respect to injuries, but this is

in fact what the plaintiff's work history has been

up to this date, this is in fact how he has been

disabled up until the time of the action against

the solicitors.

(Continued on page 43)

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MR DAVIES (continuing):  So we say that at least to that

extent, Your Honours, that is to the extent to which

we refer in paragraph 5 of our outline, the

assessment must be made at the date of verdict

against the solicitor. I will not take Your Honours
to those further authorities. RUBY V MARSH in the

passage we refer to in that outline is also

authority for the proposition stated in

O'BRIEN V McKEAN and both WILLIS V THE COMMONWEALTH and

RUBY V MARSH are authorities for the second

proposition.

Whilst on that question, perhaps I should take

Your Honours to the point Justice Brennan made, and

which is relevant to this case. I can illustrate it,

I think, by taking Your Honours to the evidence fairly

briefly, that is that the plaintiff in this case
developed a psychological condition which was perpetuated and worsened by the delay. The

evidence really appears from two reports of

Dr Sutherland, the first of them which is at page 171

of the appeal book and that, Your Honours will see,

is a report as at 1970, and in the second paragraph

of that report at page 171 the doctor said:

With regard to his present condition,

I think he is still suffering from

post-traumatic nervous instability.

I have no evidence to suggest that this man's symptoms are consciously motivated

or that they may well be entirely

psychoneurotic and operative at the

subconscious level. On the other hand,

I think it would be naive to believe that

his symptoms will improve in material

degree until litigation is settled and

I do feel that there was som elaboration

of his symptoms and disability during my

consultation today.

Then the next report, Your Honours, is at page 184,

which is some seven years later in 1987. In the

second sentence he says:

As I emphasized in my earlier report of

1970, I think it would be in Mr Perez's

best interests if litigation could be

settled as speedily as possible, although

one has to admit that with the passage

of time, the psycho-neurotic reaction will

have become deeply seated and may not improve him becoming an invalid -

once litigation is settled. At any rate,

and so on. So it seemed to have become worse and

more deep-seated over that interim period.

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Your Honours, it was not contended in the notice of appeal to this Court, or indeed in

argument before the Full Court, that damages should

be assessed as at the date when the cause of action

arose. It was asserted that the damages should be
assessed as at the date when the hypothetical action

against the original tortfeasor would have been

heard. Now that, in our respectful submission, is

not just speculative but illogical. It is

illogical because one can thereby arrive at a date

which is before the cause of action against the

solicitor even arises, and in fact the facts in one

of these cases, an~ in NICKOLAOU, changed a little,

would illustrate the point we make.

In NICKOLAOU the plaintiff had no cause of

action against his solicitor until the limitation

period expired without the solicitor instituting

proceedings. That happened to be - - -
BRENNAN J:  Why do you say that, Mr Davies?
MR DAVIES:  Well he might have had a cause of action, but it

would have been a different one, Your Honour. That is

all. I do not say no cause of action - he did not

have this cause of action, the cause of action which

became relevant to the -was the cause of action.

He might have had a cause of action which would have

been - although, I suppose with inflation these days

it might be difficult to see whether he did have a

cause of action because just by mere delay, in the

sense that mere delay perhaps increases one's damages

because of inflation rather than the reverse, but

not this cause of action. That happened to be - the

date upon which the limitation period expired

happened to be in September 1979.

(Continued on page 45)

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MR DAVIES (continuing): And the date upon which the trial

judge held that had the solicitor instituted

proceedings promptly in 1977 the action would

have come on for trial was late 1979 or early

1980.       Now that was simply an accident of the court

lists in Victoria but if the Victorian court system

had been a little more prompt, and I am not being

critical, then it may have been in the middle of
1979 that the action could have been brought on

with reasonable diligence. That is, before the

cause of action against the solicitor arose. And

that, in our respectful submission, is nonsensical.

The present action against Johnson is

another example of that. The accident, Your Honours

have been told, occurred in 1968, the action was

still on foot until June 1983. No doubt an action

against Transfield could have been, if instituted with due diligence, over and finished well before

that date. So, in our respectful submission, it

is illogical. It is also highly speculative, mainly

for the reasons which are advanced by

Mr Justice Miles in VULIC V BILINSKY. It depends

on a number of factors, the extent and stability

of the plaintiff's injuries and, in the end, it

involves the court speculating when an action -

this particular action, not any action but this

particular action with all its differences from
other actions which may be in the court list, when

this action would, in the ordinary course of events,

if prosecuted diligently come on for trial.

BRENNAN J:  Mr Davies, if the value of a cause of action

changes over time as seems to be inherent in this

notion, our system does not necessarily give to

one party or the other the benefit of that increase

in value, does it?

MR DAVIES:  Of course, we would say, I suppose, that it does

not increase in real terms. If it is putting one

in a position, I suppose, to give one the purchasing

power to buy things which are lost in consequence

of the damages suffered, then what you are really
awarding by awarding it in the money of the day,

of a later day, is giving the person the same
purchasing power as he would have had at that earlier
point of time if the action had been prosecuted

promptly.

BRENNAN J: If that theory is right there should not be any

ground of controversy, should there?

MR DAVIES:  In what respect, Your Honour?
BRENNAN J: 
Between the parties in this case.  Does it make

any difference when the cause of action is valued,

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leaving aside the changes in rules of law such

as the discount rate that Mr Jackson referred to?

MR DAVIES:  I suppose if one is being theoretical and one

has the value of - theoretically, I suppose that

is right. The difficulty is, of course, that if

one did not exercise valuing it in an earlier point

of time one would be surprised at the interest

which would be necessary to bring it up to that

purchasing power as at the date of hearing of the

action against the solicitor. But it is, in our

respectful submission, if nothing more, a round
about way of getting to the result which damages

are supposed to get, that is, to put the plaintiff

at the time he gets his damages in the position

he would have been if the tort had not been

committed.

Your Honours, the correct principle, in our

resepctful submission, was stated by

Chief Justice Bray in TUTUNKOFF, by

Mr Justice Miles in VULIC V BILINSKY and in one

other case, Your Honours, which is unreported which

is on our list, by Mr Justice Beach in WENDLEMAN

V WORLAND and I do not want to take Your Honours

to it but can I ask Your Honours to look at that

judgment at pages 16 to 18 which is really, in

effect, in the same terms as VULIC V BILINSKY.

MASON CJ: Can you give us the reference to it, Mr Davies?

It is not in your - I see, it is an unreported

case.

MR DAVIES: It is an unreported case, Your Honour, and I

think we gave you - it is an unreported case decided

on 9 July 1985, pages 16 to 18 of the judgment

are the relevant passages, Your Honour and I do

not want to read them, they really say, in our

respectful submission, what Mr Justice Miles said

in VULIC V BILINSKY.

(Continued on page 47)
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MR DAVIES (continuing): Your Honours, there is one other

matter which I should mention with respect to

NICKOLAOU, in particular, the judgment of

Chief Justice Young. He relied upon a principle

stated by Lord Justice Denning in PHILLIPS V WARD,

(1956) 1 WLR 471 at 474 and, as I said, I cannot

give Your Honours the exact passage in

Chief Justice Young's judgment except by reference

to the Australian Torts -Reporter but this was really

given by Chief Justice Young as one of two answers

to the contentions which were put and which we are

putting. It is at page 68,500 of the Australian

Torts Reporter and it appears after a passage which he cites from the judgment of Mr Justice Miles in

VULIC V BILINSKY and it is really as to his reasons

for failing to accept VULIC V BILINSKY and it is

relevant to our submissions because we content that

VULIC V BILINSKY was correctly decided. His Honour

said:

With all respect I am unable to accept

this view. It is answered, I think, by the

approach adopted by the Court of Appeal in

KITCHEN's case to which Miles J does not seem

to have been referred.

And, can I pause there to say that we have really attempted to answer that by saying that KITCHEN's

case, really, says nothing about the point of time

at which damages are to be assessed. It is talking

of something quite different and it could not have

been talking about the point of time at which damages

are to be assessed because damages in that case were

a fixed amount but His Honour then goes on:

It is answered also by the general principle

of English law that damages must be assessed

as at the date when the damage occurs.

WARD, ~1956) 1 WLR 471 and. can I take Your Honours to And he referred to Lord Justice Denning in PHILLIPS V what Lord Justice Denning said in that case. At
page 474 in the first full paragraph starting about
a third of the way down the page, in about the eighth
line, His Lordship said:

The general principle of English law is

that damages must be assessed as at the

date when the damage occurs, which is

usually the same day as the cause of

action arises, but may be later .....

A fall thereafter in the value of money

does not in law affect the figure, for the simple reason that sterling is taken to be constant in value.

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Well, not only is that, Your Honours, inconsistent with what this Court said in O'BRIEN V McKEAN, but

it was later disapproved in the Court of Appeal in
a case called DODD PROPERTIES LTD V CANTERBURY CITY

COUNCIL, (1980) 1 WLR 433 and I will not take

Your Honours to the passages. I will just give

them to you: 449, letters F to G; 456D and 459G and may we add, Your Honours, that the other two cases to which Chief Justice Young refers, where he says:

See also COOK V SWINFEN and c.f.

PERRI V ZAITMAN -

do not support the conclusion which, in our

respectful submission, His Honour reached. So,

it appears,in our respectful submission,that all of the members of the Court in NICKOLAOU thought

that KITCHEN and TUTUNKOFF were authority for the

proposition that damages had to be assessed at the

earlier point of time.

(Continued on page 49)

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MR DAVIES (continuing): In our respectful submission, that

was really caused by them, in that case, contrary

to Their Honours in the earlier cases, concluding
that loss of a chance meant not loss of a chance
of succeeding in the earlier action but included,

as well, the requirement that damages should be

assessed at that earlier point of time. They are

our submissions.

MASON CJ:  Thank you, Mr Davies. Yes, Mr Jackson.
MR JACKSON:  Your Honours, if I might go first to our learned

friend's recent reference to KITCHEN V

ROYAL AIR FORGE ASSOCIATION, it is not a hundred

per cent clear from the report of that decision
whether the £3000 was the maximum always recoverable

under the FATAL ACCIDENTS ACT, that is, at the

time when the action might have been heard or at

the time when the proceedings came before the Court

of Appeal. One rather suspects from the way in

which it is put in the judgments in the Court of

Appeal that the position was that the figure had

changed by the time the matter came before the

Court of Appeal.

Lord Evershed at page 575 of (1958) 1 WLR,

says, two-thirds of the way down the page - speaking

of the judgment below:

He, therefore, concluded that she should be

entitled to recover £2,000, which was a figure

he arrived at as being equivalent to two-thirds

arithmetically of the full amount which

(admittedly) was the maximum recoverable under

the FATAL ACCIDENTS ACTS.

At page 577 in the paragraph two-thirds of the

way down the page, Lord Justice Parker says:

The judge assessed the damages at £2,000

as against £3,000 the amount agreed to be

the maximum recoverable if she had succeeded

in the action.

And, finally, at page 580 in the last paragraph

in the report, Lord Justice Sellers says:

On behalf of the plaintiff, it has not

been sought to establish that she was certain

of victory and should have recovered £3,000,

which was agreed as the appropriate sum in

a successful claim under the FATAL ACCIDENTS ACTS.

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Your Honours, may we endeavour to check what the

exact position was in relation to the enactments

and if we are able to cast any more light on it

to let Your Honours, and perhaps our friends

have a note about it in the next day or so.

MASON CJ:  Yes.
MR JACKSON:  Your Honours, the second matter is this: there

is no particular theoretical difficulty, in our

submission, in taking the view that one may look at events after the original action to determine whether the plaintiff should have succeeded but

at what would the plaintiff have succeeded? The

answer is, in our submission, that the plaintiff

would have succeeded in obtaining then a judgment

in a sum calculated at that time.

Your Honours, the next point in our learned

friend's submissions with which I wish to deal

is this: reliance was placed upon

LIVINGSTONE V RAWYARDS COAL CO, 5 App Cas, and

in particular in the speech of Lord Blackburn at

page 39 and it is a passage that, in effect, recurs

in TODOROVIC V WALLER, but what His Lordship said

was - this is the fifth line on the page:

I do not think there is any difference of opinion as to its being a general rule that,

where any injury is to be compensated by

damages, in settling the sum of money to be
given for reparation of damages you should

as nearly as possible get at that sum of money

which will put the party who has been injured,

or who has suffered, in the same position

as he would have been in -

and then he goes on to say -

if he had not sustained the wrong for which

he is now getting his compensation or reparation.

And the addition of those words "for which he is

now getting his compensation or reparation" is

the indication, in our submission, that what one

is looking at is that you put him in the same position

as he would have been in, namely, that he would

have had a judgment given at an earlier time,

plus interest on it.

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MR JACKSON (continuing):  Your Honours. the next matter with

which I wish to deal is this: if one, as our

learned friends have urged, is assessing the damages

as at the time of the action against the solicitor,

what does one do in the case of the impecunious

defendant, the instance which Your Honour

Justice Dawson put to me earlier? Why,in such a case,

does one take into account the fact that the action

against that defendant would not have been productive

of a beneficial result financially.

Th.ere seems no especial reason to take that

into account unless the approach that one is taking

is to value what was the prospect of success of the

proceedings in the first instance and that cannot be

done without looking at the amount of money which

might have been achieved from it. Your Honours, those
are our submissions.

MASON CJ: Thank you, Mr Jackson. Yes, Mr Redlich?

MR REDLICH:  May it please the Court, may we say something

firstly to the Court about the facts in this appeal
which are of particular relevance to the grounds

that have already been argued in the first appeal.

MASON CJ: Are you going to favour us with an outline of

submissions?

MR REDLICH: Certainly, sir.

MASON CJ:  Thank you.

MR REDLICH: Before taking the Court to the outline of submission,

we just say these things about the facts of our

appeal which have some significance. The accident

which gave rise to the appellant's claims was on

4 September 1976. He retained the respondent's services
on 6 May 1977. On 19 April 1978, the respondent

issued WRONGS ACT proceedings on behalf of the

appellant and the appellant's daughter in relation

to the death of the appellant's wife in the car
accident. On 8 October 1979 the WRONGS ACT proceedings

were settled.

(Continued on page 52)

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MR REDLICH (continuing):  The cause of action, therefore,

against the respondent for failing to issue personal

injury proceedings on the appellant's behalf expired,

it appears, on 4 September 1979. That is by virtue

of section 5(6) of the Victorian LIMITATION OF

ACTIONS ACT and would, in our submission, appear

to be the case that that is the date on which the

cause of action therefore accrued against the

respondent. And that question was recently

considered by Mr Justice Murray in DOUNDOUNLAKIS V

ANTONY SDRINIS & CO (1987), Australian Tort our learned friend, Mr Davies, made reference to the

fact that one could well conceive of a situation

in which the action might accrue at a date later
than the date upon which the personal injury
action might have been heard if the solicitor had
not let the action die. Well, in this case en the findings

of the learned trial judge, the action would have

come on in late 1979- As I have just indicated to

the Court, the cause of action accrued on 4 Sept.ember 1979.

So that without stretching the facts to any

appreciable degree this indeed might have been

such a case.

As to the proceedings against the respondent:

in this case the appellant establish at the trial of

the action that the respondent was negligent. The
trial judge assessed the appellant's damage at

$18,318 including interest of $2850 which ran from

the date of the issue of the writ. The trial

judge received evidence of the appellant's

injuries up to the date of the trial judge's assessment

of the damages to be paid by the wrongful solicitor

and the appeals to the Full Court went against the adequacy of the assessment and on the respondent's

behalf he appealed that the trial judge should have


assessed the claim for damages as at the date the

action would have come on for hearing.

(Continued on page 53)
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MR REDLICH (continuing):  We should observe that during the

course of the trial no objection had been raised by

the respondent to the admission of evidence of the
appellant's injuries up to the date of the trial of
the solicitor's negligence and it was not, in fact,
until the respondent's final submission in the course -
at the end of the trial that it was suggested to the
learned trial judge that the assessment should take

place at some earlier point of time. I will take the

Court shortly to a passage in the judgment of the
Chief Justice, Chief Justice Young, in which reference

is made to the date on which this action would have been

heard for trial had the solicitor not let the action
die. Indeed, it is not disputed before this Court.

There was no evidence led at the trial in relation to

that issue. The date of late 1979 or early 1980 was

suggested by counsel for the respondent in the course

of final submission and that, unfortunately, found

its way into the learned trial judge's sunnnary of the

facts although there was no evidence in relation to it

and although it was contested before the learned trial
judge. The matter was raised before the Full Court

and the court was informed of the matter that I have

simply informed the Court of now, namely, that there

was no evidence in relation to that date. If it has

any significance we simply draw that to the Court's

attention, that there was no evidentiary basis upon

which the learned trial judge should have found as he

did at page 32 of the appeal book that the action

would probably have come on at the end of 1979 or early

1980.

Now, what we submit, if it please the Court, is

that - I am sorry, I have omitted one further pertinent

fact. It was agreed by the parties before the trial

judge that the respective negligence of the appellant

and the other driver was to be apportioned 25 per cent/

75 per cent. That agreement - on that basis, the learned

trial judge ultimately apportioned the damage which he

assessed in those amounts. So that at the trial and on

appeal it had been agreed that the appellant, had

proceedings been issued against the original tortfeasor,

would have succeeded in those proceedings establishing

the negligence of the original tortfeasor and that
there would have been an apportionment in the order of

75/25 ..

(Continued on page 54)

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MR REDLICH (continuing): That being the setting in which

the trial judge had to consider this question,

the trial judge was then dealing with a case in

which it was clear to him that the appellant would

have succeeded against the original tortfeasor

and we simply submit that that being the case,

as Lord Evershed clearly and unequivocally said

in KITCHENjs case, did not involve any question

of an assessment of a lost chance because it was
onl½ as His Lordship indicated, in those

circumstances where it was not plain that the

appellant would succeed in the original action

that one had to indulge in the exercise of

assessing the value of a lost chance.

DAWSON J:  He said that but why?
MR REDLICH:  I am sorry, Your Honour.
DAWSON J:  Why do you say that is so?

MR REDLICH: Why should that be so? DAWSON J: Yes, I know it was said.

MR REDLICH:  In effect, the whole of my submission,

Your Honour, will be directed to answering that

question. I will be grateful if Your Honour

indicates that I have not satisfactorily answered

at a later stage in the submission. Perhaps by

way of summary we would say it is so because the

appellant will not, otherwise, adequately be

compensated because the court is concerned in

assessing the lost amount of money which the

appellant would have recovered in the original

proceedings. The court is concerned with

establishing what is a fact, namely, what were

the injuries which the appellant sustained at the

hands of the original tortfeasor and what is the

value of those injuries. The court is not concerned,
we would submit, in a speculative exercise but
is, in fact, concerned with evaluating what the

injuries were that the appellant suffered and what

compensation he was likely to receive for those

injuries.and what we submit occurred in this appeal

and occurred before the Full Court is that that

phrase "the amount of money which the appellant might have receoved in the earlier proceedings" is not intended, in our submission, to mean any
more than what was the value of the injuries which

the appellant was entitled to seek and obtain

compensation for.

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MR REDLICH (continuing):  In our case the negligent solicitor
did not institute proceedings. The principal

injury suffered by the appellant was a psychiatric

injury. There was no medical examination by either

doctors engaged by the appellant or by the respondent.

Indeed, the question of the nature of his injuries

was not undertaken as a medical question until

proceedings against the respondent had been conrrnenced.

What is involved in the proposition contended for by

the other side is none the less, but despite the

absence of any medical consideration of the question,

a plaintiff should be confined to those damages which

he was likely to have led medical evidence about had

the original action been conrrnenced against the

tortfeasor.

The only reason, of course, the appellant was

without any evidence in relation to the period when

the original action might have been conrrnenced and

considered and determined is because of the
dereliction of duty of the solicitor. What the

respondent says is notwithstanding that the appellant

was not in a position - if we look back to a

hypothetical earlier trial date,- that the appellant

was not in a position to adduce evidence at that

time about an injury which is the result of the

original tort, he should none the· less be deprived

of the value of that particular aspect of his

injuries. The only reason - - -
DAWSON J: 

No one is suggesting that he should not be able

to recover as an additional element in the loss
resulting from the solicitor's negligence the
psychological disability which flowed from the delay.

That is something separate, is not it?
MR DAVIES:  Your Honour, perhaps I have not expressed myself
clearly. I am not now speaking about aggravation to

his condition resulting from the delay. Here the

reason that the parties are before the Court is

because the psychiatric condition did not manifest

appellant originally approached the respondent to itself clearly until some point of time after the
act on his behalf and the respondent would no doubt
contend had the action come on on 4 September 1979
there would have been no medical evidence and no
evidence of continuing financial loss to be
considered by the court.

(Continued on page 56)

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MR REDLICH (continued): Yet if the case had come on 12 months

or 18 months later, there would have been a significant
body of evidence to that effect, thus the date becomes

critical. What we are submitting is that one of the

principal reasons why there would have been no

consequences at a notional trial date, is because of
the negligence, or the lack of action by the solicitor.

evidence in relation to that injury and its did not turn their mind to the question of identifying the injuries which the appellant had sustained; the

consequences of those injuries. Yet there is no
question they were injuries that the appellant
sustained; they were injuries which the appellant
was entitled to receive compensation for. Had
the solicitor not been dilatory; had the solicitor
instituted proceedings; had the appellant been
submitted to medical examinations, then it is pure
speculation to ask, well, what evidence would have
then been led on the notional trial date of the
action against the original tortfeasor?

So that we wish to make the point at the outset

we are not merely concerned here with the fact that
giving the appellant a sum of money which is fixed

at some past date does not give him a sum in terms

of present purchasing power. We are not merely

concerned with that; we are concerned with the fact

that the appellant has, by virtue of the solicitor's

negligence, been deprived of being able to claim the value of
all of the injuries which he sustained in the accident.

If I may, I will seek to amplify that in relation to

some more specific submissions.

The setting in which we submit this appeal is to

be considered, then, is that the court was not

concerned with the question of success against the

original tortfeasor. That was established by virtue
of the agreement between the parties, and therefore

there was no question of a calculation of a lost

chance. Our learned friend, Mr Da"2::kes, has taken

the Court to the passages of the judgments of the

three members of the Full Court. We will not repeat
that exercise. We simply submit this: we adopt

what our learned friend, Mr Davies, has said. that

there is nothing in the judgment of Lord Evershed

which supports the proposition that the lost chance

or the lost right which His Lordship spoke of is to be

extended to the question of determining the amount of

damage which the appellant would have recovered.

In each of the judgments of the members of the

Full Court, we would respectfully submit, that it is

on that basis that the question of assessment of

damages is to be determined by the same method, namely,

by valuing the lost chance.

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MR REDLICH (continuing):  But it is that approach which

each of the members of the court adopted which

led them into the error of concluding that it

is the notional trial date which is the critical

date on which damage is to be assessed.

May I put that another way: there may be arguments why a notional trial date is the

appropriate date to assess damages but if there

are such arguments they do not flow from the
method of valuing the prospects of success referred

to by His Lordship, Lord Justice Evershed.

The cases of VULIC V BILINSKI, Mr Justice Miles'

decision, the decision of Mr Justice Beach in

WENDLEMAN V WORLAND, the decision of Mr Justice Ried

in PRIOR V McNAB and the decision of Chief Justice Bray

in TUTUNKOFF V THIELE all support the proposition

that the correct date for assessment is not

a notional trial date but the date on which

the matter is being considered by the trial
judge in respect to the solicitor's negligence.

In DAVIES V TAYLOR, (1974) AC 207, Lord Cross, speaking of the judgment of Lord Evershed in

KITCHEN V ROYAL AIR FORCE ASSOCIATIO~ at page 223,

described the loss as one which relates to the

prospect of the action being successful. We

submit that His Honour's summation of the judgment

of Lord Evershed is, indeed, apposite and where

it is plain that the plaintiff must have succeeded

on liability in the lost action no valuation

of a lost chance is involved.

There are three decisions that we should

refer the Court to which have not been the subject

of previous citation.

MASON CJ: Perhaps you can do that after lunch, Mr Redlich.

We will resume at 2.15.

AT 12.44 PM LUNCHEON ADJOURNMENT
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UPON RESUMING AT 2.16 PM: 
MASON CJ: Yes, Mr Redlich. 
MR REDLICH:  May it please the Court, I was about to take the
Court to some authority. May I just make these

observations about two of the cases referred to by
the appellant in the first two appeals. In relation

to TUTUNKOFF V THIELE, it is submitted that the passage

referred to at page 150 of that report was a passage in

which Chief Justice Bray was dealing not with a question

of quantum but with a question of liability and, indeed,

His Honour's remarks, in our submission, should be taken

in that context. Secondly, and perhaps more significantly,

it is clear from the evidence that His Honour received

that His Honour was undertaking a present day assessment

of the injuries sustained and not one in which he was
projecting himself back in time to ascertain the value

of the injuries on a hypothetical state of evidence,

that is, what evidence would have been available at the

time.

MASON CJ: That is conceded, is it not? I did not think that

that was in dispute as to what His Honour actually did.

MR REDLICH: Well, with respect, Your Honour, I did not follow

my learned friend, Mr Jackson, to be making that

concession because if His Honour was making a present

day assessment, then it was, clearly, not consistent

with the principle upon which he relied in TUTUNKOFF

V THIELE, albeit, that there was only a

year or 18 months' difference between time in which

His Honour thought the action would have come on for

hearing and the date of his own assessment.

The second case referred to was DOLMAN AND

OTHERS V PENROSE and we would submit similarly in

relation to the judgment of Mr Justice Bollen that

the passage at page 491 is one dealing with the question

of liability rather than any question of the quantification

of damage.

There are three cases that we should draw to the Court's attention which have not been previously

cited, which appear to support the propositions to

the contrary of our argument. Those three cases are

McGRATH V KIELY, (1965) IR 497, particularly at

page 514.

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MR REDLICH (continuing): All we would say in passing about

that case, it was a case referred to by some of the members of the Full Court in their judgment

in NICKOLAOU that was a case in which the court

had to consider the consequence of an omission

in the particulars of injury of a fractured clavicle.

The surgeon had omitted to include the same in

his reports and the solicitor, in turn, had failed

to include that as a head of injury in the

proceedings which were issued.

The plaintiff contended in an action against

the solicitor and the surgeon that because that

injury had not been relied upon in the proceedings

against the tortfeasor the plaintiff had failed

to beat the payment into court that had been made.

If that injury had been included the result would

have been different. And so the exercise for the

court in McGRATH V KIELY was to assess what the

additional compensation would have been for that

head of injury, the fractured clavicle, and ascertain

whether or not it would have resulted in the plaintiff

beating the payment into court. It concluded that

it would not have and simp)y awarded the plaintiff

against the solicitor and the surgeon the value
of the fractured clavicle.

So what might, at first blush, seem to have been a case suggesting that the correct date for

assessing damage is the notional trial date, is

really, in our submission, quite distinguishable.

The second case we would refer to in MAYLON

V LAWRANCE MESSERS & CO, referred to again by

members of the Full Court in NICKOLAOU,

(1968) 2 Lloyd's Rep 539. That was a decision

of Mr Justice Brabin, Queen's Beanch Division,

and what His Honour was there concerned with, in

our submission, was not the valuation of what the

plaintiff would have got for injuries arising from

a motor car accident in England but to ascertain

what a German court would have awarded the plaintiff

because the collision occurred in Germany and

His Honour there received expert testimony as to

how a German court would have proceeded to assess

the injuries of the plaintiff and what quantum

of damage would be awarded.

So we would submit that those cases do not

really stand in the way of the propositions that

we advance.

(Continued on page 60)

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MR REDLICH (continuing):  The third case is SHIGAEVA V SCHAFER,

(1985) 5 NSWLR 502. It is an action against a

solicitor. There is merely one line in the report,

at page 519 at the very conclusion of the report,

in which the trial judge appears to have concluded

that the correct date for assessing damages is the hypothetical, or notional, trial date. No argument is reported or reasons for the decision

that His Honour arrived at in that case.

While dealing with a case that had not

previously been referred to the Court, could I

also pass to the Court a decision of SMITH V WELLS,

(1984) 47 Nfld & PEIR 326.

MASON CJ:  You certainly seem to have scoured the globe for

these decisions.

MR REDLICH: 

I regret, Your Honour, that we are not able

to give Your Honour assistance in the American
area.

MASON CJ: That regret is not shared, I think, by the members

of the Court.

MR REDLICH:  I am pleased to hear that. At page 330 to 331

Deputy Chief Justice O'Regan assesses the damage

in that case in the way for which we contend, namely,

he conducts a present day assessment. His Honour

considers the implications of KITCHEN and proceeds

conduct a present day assessment. His Honour in

doing so relies amongst other things on the decision

of PRIOR V McNAB which has already been referred

to the Court.

The appellant~s entitlement, in our submission,

is -the same whether or not the cause of action

was founded in contract or tort and we rely upon
O'BRIEN v McKEAN, TODOROVIC V WALLER and

WENHAM V WALLER, (1972) 127 CLR 454,in support

of that proposition. (Continued on page 61)
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MR REDLICH (continuing):  The question, in our submission,

is essentially one of why select the notional or

hypothetical trial date as the date upon which to

ascertain what monetary sum or damages the appellant

has lost as a result of the solicitor's negligence,

and we submit the correct starting point in analysing

whether that indeed is the appropriate date is to

go back to what we submit are well-established basic

principles and that is that the general, though not

universal rule, is that the damages, whether for tort
or for breach of contract, are to be assessed as at

the date of breach, and that that principle will give

way when it is concluded by the Court that to assess

on that date will not result in adequate compensation

for the appellant and our learned friend, Mr Davies,

has referred the Court to DODD PROPERTIES V CANTERBURY

CITY COUNCIL, ( 1980) 1 WLR 433 in which there is a

detailed exposition of the way in which, or the

circumstances in which that general rule as to the

proper date for assessment should give way, having

regard to general principles of compensation.

We invite the Court to look particularly at the

judgment of Lord Justice Megaw at page 934 of DODD's

case, and similar expressions of opinion can be found

in JOHNSON V AGNEW, (1979) 2 WLR 487, particularly at

page 499. Finally,dealing with the proposition that

the general rule as to the date of assessment being

at the date of breach giving way where appropriate

compensation will not be achieved by assessing on that

date, we would refer the Court to the discussion to be
found in COUNTY PERSONNEL V ALAN R. PULVER,(1987)

1 All ER 289, at 297 to 298. That was a solicitor's

negligence case and the court considered in some

detail the question of what is the appropriate date

upon which to assess damages.

The passage that I have referred to pages 297 to

298, in our submission, applies with full fOrce here

and that ultimately the date to be selected is the one

which, in our submission, will properly reflect the

overriding compensatory rule. (Continued on page 62)
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MR REDLICH (continuing):  I am also reminded that there is the

dicta of Mr Justice Walsh in WENHAM VELLA, (1972)

127 CLR 454,at page 466.

BRENNAN J: Does not all that assume something? In other

words, .to say that to assess it at one date does not

give adequate compensation is to mask the

question, what is to be compensated for?

MR REDLICH: Hopefully not to mask it, Your Honour, but indeed

ultimately one must resolve what it is that is

being compensated and we do not shirk from the proposition which fell from Your Honour's lips

that what the appellant is entitled to be

compensated for is the amount of money that he

would have received in relation to the action which

has been lost. The reason, we would submit, why

the appropriate date, however, is not the notional

trial date depends on a number of factors and

hopefully in the next few minutes I will explain why,
in our submission, that date - the notional trial
date will not present the appropriate time for

assessing so as to properly ascertain what is the

monetary amount which the plaintiff would have

recovered.

The Full Court does not suggest,in our submission,

that the proper date for assessing damage is
the date of breach, namely when the cause of action

arose. The Full Court without authority, in our

submission, simply assumes that the correct date

should be the notional trial date. And, we would

submit that for the reasons articulated by the

Court of Appeal in PEREZ V JOHNSON, the judgment of Mr Justice Ryan, that is not the appropriate

date. Now the reasons for doing so have to some

extent been advanced by Mr Justice Davies. Reference

has been made to the general principle of

compensation in LIVINGTSTON V RAWYARDS and we would

simply in passing refer to two additional cases on

that general compensatory rule. They are
ADMIRALTY COMMISSIONERS V S.S. SUSQUEHANNA, (1926)

AC 655 at 661, and a second admiralty case of the
ADMIRALTY COMMISSIONERS V S.S. VALERIA, (1922)

2 AC 242 at 248.

(Continued on page 63)

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DAWSON J:  Mr Redlich, is it convenient here to ask you just
how high you put your case? Do you say that in this

case even if the injuries Dr which the plaintiff now

claims compensation were not known and could not have been

known in a speculative fashion at the time at which

the action would have come on for trial, nevertheless,

you assess the damages as at the later date.

MR REDLICH:  No, we would not put it that highly, Your Honour.

If it can be established that through no reasonable

steps taken by the respondent could a a particular

injury or consequential loss have been properly

identified, then that is an issue which could be

raised, whether it went to the fundamental question

of whether the solicitor had been negligent or

whether it simply operated as a basis for excluding

from the plaintiff a.head of damage. No, we would not
suggest it was as high as that.
DAWSON J :  I suggest to put it in the terms of this case is that alL

that could have been proved at the time of the trial

had the solicitor not been negligent was that this

man had a cut on his head which required stitching.

You would not suggest that, nevertheless, the full

amount of his damages which, subsequently became

known were recoverable, would you?

MR REDLICH: Well, not if the conclusion were that all reasonable

steps taken by the solicitor in pursuant of his duty

would not have resulted in that particular injury or

its consequences having been identified but the point

I was making rather clumsily before lunch was that in

this case and in many cases, we would suspect the

majority of cases, the reason that the negligent

solicitor can say when he is being sued, "But you are

claiming an additional amount to that which you would

have got had you proceeded against the original

tortfeasor" is because no consideration was given to

that injury or its consequences.

DAWSON J:

But the point of asking that question is that you

do concede there are some circumstances in which you

cannot simply at the time that you try the action

against the solicitor, try the damages as at that

stage.

MR REDLICH:  Indeed

DAWSON J: That you have to go back to the earlier time.

MR REDLICH:  Whether or not it would be precluded as an item of

damage because the solicitor could establish in relation

to such a claim that he was not negligent. By illustration,

if the solicitor could show that the only injury which a

plaintiff was now seeking to recover against him for was

one which no reasonable diligence on his part and proper

investigation would have disclosed, then he has a complete

answer to any suggestion that he has been negligent.

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DAWSON J:  But in those first circumstances the damage is

tried as at the earlier date.

MR REDLICH:  No, in those circumstances, Your Honour, the

issue would be resolved on the question of

liability, that the solicitor has not been

negligent at all but see, here, Your Honour,

His Honour found at page 29 of the appeal book

that:

However, although the full implications which

are now alleged to follow on from that

initial nervous state might not have been

reasonably foreseeable back in 1977, the plain

fact is that there was sufficient reason then

for at least making the enquiries, and -

DAWSON J:  Yes, I appreciate that but what I am positing

to you is a case in which it could not have been

known. It is not a question of liability, the

solicitor has been negligent, he should have covered

for something, namely, the cut on his head. But

in the fullness of time something else transpires

which would not have been known and therefore when

you say that in those circumstances the issue of

damages is to be tried as at the time the original

trial would have come on you are making an exception

to your principle.

MR REDLICH:  Your Honour, if I may, with respect, we would

not submit that it is to be tried at the time the

original action would have come on - - -

DAWSON J: Well, the damages are to be assessed as at that

date and it may be the time of the trial or it
may be the time of recovery, whatever it is, but

at the earlier time.

MR REDLICH:  Yes, and we would submit the other exceptions

which have been mentioned in argument fall into

the same category, the suggestion that the original

tortfeasor may not have the financial capacity
to meet the judgment. And that is not a question

that involves an assessment at the time the

original action would have been completed. Nobody

would know, we would submit, what the means were

of the tortfeasor in satisfying a judgment at the

time the action was completed. It might be many

months or years before it becomes apparent that

the appellant is not going to get full satisfaction

for the judgment that has been obtained. But none

the less we would not shirk from the proposition

that if ultimately the negligent solicitor can

show, in his action, that the appellant would not

have got the fruits of that judgment then that

is clearly a matter for the court to take into

account.

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MR REDLICH (continuing):  But that does not bear on the

question, in our submission, of what is the correct

date upon which to value the injuries or, putting

it another way, the date on which to determine

what amount of money the plaintiff ought to have

received for those injuries. Similarly, the

suggestion made that there may be statutory

considerations which place a ceiling on the amount

of money which the appellant could recover. They

would not, in our submission, bear upon what is

the correct date for assessment but, again, would

be an ultimate factor in limiting the amount which

the trial judge in the solicitor's negligence action

would award.

DAWSON J:  You seem almost to be saying that to assess the

damages as at the date of the trial of the action

against the solicitor will provide the correct

measure of damages - the correct measure of

compensation - unless there are circumstances to

which you can point that will show that that is

not so, such as a change in the statute law; such
as the fact that the injuries for which he is claiming

compensation were not known and could not have

been known at the time - well, that might be alright.

MR REDLICH: Yes. Well, that is, with respect, what we do

submit: that there may be overriding considerations

which, ultimately, either totally or to some extent

preclude the appellant from recovering the full

amount of damages that -

DAWSON J:  You could say you could do it another way: by

assessing the damages as at the earlier time and

trying to make up for the loss of time by interest

or in some other way. There is no need to do that,

you say. You say that - - -
MR REDLICH:  Well, for the reason we are about to advance

that is, in our respectful submission, a far more

complicated way to try and assess damage and the

reasons are these: firstly, we submit, to recapitulate

on what has already been put, that the amount which

a plaintiff would have got against the original

tortfeasor would be a lump sum discounted and based

on the then purchasing power of money so that,

as in this case, if the respondent were correct

the appellant would get a lump sum which would

have been the amount given in 1979.

(Continued on page 66)

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MR REDLICH (continuing):  The interest component that has

been suggested might be added would,at

deal with the fact that money has lost its value

between that date and the date of the action

against the solicitor, so that the interest

component might deal with the question of the

reduction in value of money. In Victoria, however,
the court has no power under the provisions of
the SUPREME COURT ACT to award interest for a
date prior to the date of the issue of the writ.

Section 79A of the SUPREME COURT ACT

which was the relevant provision at the time of these

proceedings, now sectian 60 of the SUPREME COURT ACT 1986 does

BRENNAN J: 

But it would not be awarded as interest, -would it, it would just oe - 'Wi:-.at you have lost is the $10,0vu they should have

gpt 5 years ago? Wh.c.t is the amo:ui:1t of your p!."~se:n.-e- loss.
MR REDLICH:  It would have to be at..vardec:. as a head of damage,

Your :~nour ~ vle would accept that.

BRENNAN J: But not as interest.

MR REDLICH: No. The factors which have got to be allowed for, not

merely the loss in value of the money, in any
case where the personal injury is a continuing

injury, that is,where it has not been -resolved at the notional trial date, we would submit, in every

case without exception, the plaintiff will suffer

from the fact that he or she has been kept out

of the compensation to which he or she was entitled

for whc1.tever period elapses between that notional

trial date and the date on which the trial judge hearing the solicitor's negligence action awards the amount against a solicitor, because that lump

sum, assuming that it is a continuing injury -the

lump sum which would have been awarded on the

notional trial date covers such questions as loss of
amenities of life, pain and suffering and it is
difficult, if not impossible, to conceive of a
situation in which there is damage sustained because
of the fact that the appellant is kept out of that

money for that period between the original trial

date, if one can identify it, and the date of

proceedings against the solicitor.

So, it would not merely be a matter of awarding

an amount equivalent to interest to account for

the loss of value of the money, there would in

every case of continuing injury have to be damage

for the effect of not receiving the compensation

to which the plaintiff was entitled for that

period of time. And obviousl½ depending on how

serious the injuries were, the more serious the

damage flowing from the fact that the plaintiff

was kept out of his money for that time. And the

only way, we would submit, that one can assess the

damage flowing from being kept out of money for that

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period of time is to look at the events which

have occurred between the notional trial date and

the time of the action against the negligent

solicitor. So that if we are dealing with continuing

injuries, and this is, we would submit the only

area where a problem is likely to arise, if the
injury is resolved there is no problem about giving
damages of at any earlier point of time, if they

are continuing injuries, then the court as a

matter of course will have to look at evidence up

to the date of the action against the negligent

solicitor because it will have to make an assessment

of how the plaintiff has been affected by being
kept out of compensation to which he or she was

entitled in relation to loss of enjoyment of life,

pain and suffering. And one can readily imagine,

of course, many cases in which the plaintiff needed

that money for surgery, for care - nursing care,

hospital treatment, and, of course, for that period
of time has not been able to have it. That is not

a question of aggravation of an existing injury

which would be a separate head of damage but,in our

submission, is part of the damage which inevitably

flows in every case where there is a continuing

injury and would have to be the subject of

consideration.

(Continued on page 68)

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DAWSON J:  I just want to get quite clear what you are saying.

You are saying prima facie assessing the damages now

is the best evidence of the value of the chance which

has been lost, but it is only prima facie because

there may be circumstances to which you can point

which mean that you have to depart from that principle;
such as a change in statute, such as an illness which

was not able to even be speculated about at the earlier date. Now, if you say that, I can understand that and

that answers a lot of the things that would be put

against you. Is that what you are saying?

MR REDLICH:  Yes, but Your Honour, I am now advancing another

reason why the appropriate date for the assessment is

the date of determination of the negligence suit

against the solicitor and not the earlier date,

because wherever it is a continuing injury the Court

will have to consider the effect of non-payment of

the compensation throughout that period.

DAWSON J:  Yes. You say that is the best valuation you can

make of the loss of the - - -

MR REDLICH:  That is so - is the current, a present day

assessment.

DAWSON J:  Yes.
MR REDLICH:  Yes.
DAWSON J:  Better than interest could provide, better than

anything else.

MR REDLICH:  We also submit, if it please the Court, that -
BRENNAN J:  In theory there ought not to be any difference.
MR REDLICH:  Indeed, Your Honou~ we would agree with that

wholeheartedly, Your Honour. Theoretically the

damage remains the same. Whenever the case is heard,

indeed, the Victorian Full Court said as much in the

case of WRIGHT V WEST AUSTRALIAN TRUSTEE EXECUTOR AND

AGENCY CO. LIMITED, (1987) VR 771, at page 781. In
what was effectively a joint judgment it was said at

page 781:

The damages awarded should not be altered by any consideration dependent simply upon the

time at which the action is commenced or the

time at which the trial takes place.

Notionally the damages remain precisely the

same whenever the case is tried, save and

except that events -

subsequent to the wrongful act may change -

probabilities into known facts.

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The court there was dealing with a different issue,

but none the less that view, in our submission, is
apposite here, that what ought not to be lost sight
of is that we are valuing the - the damages ought
not to be different in theory. Of course, they are
for a multitude of reasons, including the fact that

money loses its value.

BRENNAN J:  But it ought not to be different even for that

reason, but the real problem, it seems to me, is that
if you assess them at the earlier date - I am speaking
now of future economic loss - then you are bound to
adopt the 3 per cent and it may prove in the result

that 3 per cent is inappropriate, if you assess it at

the later date. Now, there is therefore a logical

difference by adopting notionally the 3 per cent

at the earlier date, pro or con.

MR REDLICH:  Indeed.
BRENNAN J:  But that apart, I do not see that in theory there
should be any.difference at all. Take the case of
the medical expense. If at the earlier date you can

foresee that there is going to be an operation in two years time, you give the present value of the amount that will have to be paid out in two years time.

If you assess it in three years after that then you

give the amount that was paid out a year before plus interest on that sum. There should not be

any difference in theory.

(Continued on page 70)

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MR REDLICH:  In that sense, no, Your Honour but in so far as

the tribtmal of fact of the notional trial date is

awarding a lump sum which is to cover loss of

enjoyment of life, the fact that once that lump

sum is paid, the plaintiff is then able to organize

his or her life so as to maximize or rather to

minimize the amount of discomfort flowing from

injuries, then as we have submitted a moment ago,

there must inevitably be a continuing damage because

the plaintiff if being kept out of that lump sum.

The tribunal of fact in giving a lump sum at the

notional trial date would discount the amount that

they gave because it is a present lump sum. So

that the amount given to the plaintiff on the
date of notional trial would have to be less than
the amount that it would have given the plaintiff
five years later for precisely the same injuries.

That, with respect, is to state no more than the

obvious but there are, in our submission, clear

differences in the amount that would have to be

awarded at those two respective dates by virtue of

the lapse in time and that is to say nothing of the

issues that would arise were the plaintiff to contend,

as was the case here and as was the case apparently

in the first appeal, there was some a3gravation or
exacerbation of the condition by virtue of being

kept out of his or her money.

Another way, we would submit, of analysing the

matter is to ask where should the burden lie if there are difficulties associated with assessing the amount of money that the plaintiff would have received at an

earlier point of time, where should the burden fall?

Is it better that the plaintiff or that the defendant

bear the consequences of any variation in the

compensation that is given if it is to be assessed

at the later point of time? It is not merely, in our

submission, that there is a difficulty in identifying

the date upon which the action would have been heard.

That, we would respectfully submit, is a very difficult

exercise and, as His Honour Mr Justice Dawson pointed

out earlier today, a matter of days may turn out to be

critical in terms of the e.':fect that it has on the

compensation which the plaintiff receives and we would

submit that it is fanciful to suggest that a number of

years after an action would have come on for hearing

that a judge can be asked to predict with any certainty

when a case would have come on for hearing but that is

not the only thing he is asked to predict. If the

respondent's argument is to prevail, he must not merely

predict the date. He must predict the injuries which

the injured plaintiff would have claimed at that time

and he must predict the evidence upon which the

plaintiff would have relied to support those injuries.

Now, in this case, no steps were taken to make a claim for personal injuries. No doctors were consulted. It

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was some years before the plaintiff was in any

position to identify the injuries or the evidence

upon which he would rely to make his claim out,

and yet the respondent would have it that one is

none the less to assess the damage by reference to

that notional trial date, the judge is somehow to

make an assessment of what evidence would have been

available to the plaintiff at that notional trial
date to establish the injuries that he sustained

and the consequences thereof. In this case, it would

have been if not impossible exceedingly difficult for

the plaintiff to have established that and largely for

one reason because of the negligence of the respondent.

It was because the respondent did not undertake the

investigations and the inquiries that he was required

to that the plaintiff was not in a position, if the
notional date is the correct date, the plaintiff would
not have been in the position to satisfy a judge now
assessing what amount he would have received on the

notional trial date that he would have been able to

make out this head of damage.

The Court, we would submit, ought not to be

placed in the position of having to make such difficult
assessments and, if there is any difference or variation

in the amount awarded between the notional trial date

and a present day assessment - if there is a difference

and if that difference is brought about wholly or in

large measure because of the negligence of the solicitor

then, in my submission, it is consonant with principle
to say that it is the respondent, the negligent

solicitor, who should carry the burden of that

difference.

(Continued on page 72)

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MR REDLICH (continuing):  And putting that another way,

it was suggested earlier, we are dealing with a

cause of action which has increased in value.

We would submit, theoretically, that the action

does not change in value but to the extent that there might be a change in value, if that change

has been brought about wholly or partly because
of the negligence of the solicitor, in our

submission, the proper place for that burden to

rest is at the feet of the solicitor and not at

the feet of the plaintiff who is unable, at the

later point of time, to satisfy the court as to

what injuries and evidence he would have been able

to place before the court.

Indeed, my learned iunior reminds me, 1n

M.r justice Beach's case of WENDLEMAN V WORI.AND, His Honour

was dealing with the reverse situation.

His Honour pointed out that by making a present

day assessment it had become clear that an injury

which the plaintiff might have earlier been able

to contend was attributable to the original

tortfeasor's conduct was not attributable to that

cause and therefore the plaintiff would receive

less.

In our submission, that is the court looking

at the facts with the assistance of all known events

since the original injuries were sustained, is

in a much better position, in our submission, to

award a fair amount of compensation, is much more

likely to be able to do justice between the parties

than in the converse situation.

We would, in passing, in dealing with this

question of the impossibility of identifying a

date on which the notional trial would have been
heard, refer the Court to a passage in the judgment

of Lord Wheatley in the case of ROBERTSON V

BANNIGAN, (1965) SLT 66. His Honour there talked,

amongst other things, about heaping imponderables

upon imponderables if one were to try and go back in time to identify when a case would have been
heard.

So what we contend, in summary, is that if

one were to award a lump sum, that is the lump

sum which it is assessed would have been given

at a notional trial date, one is, of course, not

providing a lump sum which makes allowance for the loss of value of money, •J•one is awarding a lump sum which has been discounted at the notional

trial date because it is then a present payment.

It is a lump sum which does not make any provision

for the continuing suffering of the plaintiff between

the notional trial date and the date of the action

against the solicitor and it places the appellant

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in a position on the action against the solicitor

for negligence where he is forced to try and

establish what injuries he would have identified

and the evidence upon which he would have relied

in circumstances where he has not followed that
previous course of conduct because of the negligence

of the respondent.

If I may turn to what is the second ground

of appeal, in the event that the Court is of the

view that the assessment is to be conducted at

the present time, the time of hearing the action

against the solicitor's negligence, the third ground

of appeal contends that the method used by the

trial judge in this case of assessing the

appellant's damage was erroneous. Obviously, if

the court comes to the view that the correct date

for assessing the damage was a notional trial date,

then the matter would have to be remitted for a

retrial on the assessment of damage and this third

ground of appeal does not arise for consideration.

(Continued on page 74)

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MR REDLICH (continuing):  But if the Court, in effect,

upholds the view taken by the judge at first instance,

His Honour felt constrained by the unreported decision

of Mr Justice Beach in WENDLEMAN V WORLAND to assess
the damages as at present. If the Court allows
our appeal on the first two grounds and finds that
the correct date of assessment is the present then
the Court would need to consider the third ground
of appeal which deals with the method of assessment

followed by the trial judge.

The Full Court did not - Chief Justice Young

and Mr Justice Murphy did not consider the question
of whether the trial judge had used the correct

method of assessing damage, they having concluded

that His Honour was wrong in making a present day

assessment. So that the matter has not been canvassed
by the Full Court. We would simply say these things

about the method of assessment used. If I could

take the Court to the appeal book. What His Honour

the learned trial judge did, at page 42 - - -

MASON CJ: This is rather unsatisfactory, is it not? We

do not have the benefit of the consideration of

this by the Full Court.

MR REDLICH:  That is so, Your Honour.

MASON CJ: If you were to succeed it might be the proper

order would be to send it back to the Full Court.

MR REDLICH:  That is certainly a course that is open.

Mr Justice Kaye appears to have expressly approved

the course followed but the other members of the

court did not consider the question. I will be
brief, Your Honour.
MASON CJ:  Yes, very well.
BRENNAN J:  Which is the ground of appeal that you are speaking
of, that which appears on page 55?

MR REDLICH: 

It is ground Con page 135, Your Honour - D, I am sorry, Your Honour. Now, it is obvious that

the ground is in error in stating that the
Full Court upheld the method - - -
MASON CJ:  Yes.
MR REDLICH:  That two members of the court did not consider
that question. What His Honour the trial judge

did at page 42 was to divide the appellant's loss

into various periods and His Honour held that for

the period from March 1977 to March 1986 His Honour

concluded that he thought that there was a one

in four chance of success of the plaintiff's claim.

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And having concluded a one in four chance of success

he then took the full amount which the plaintiff

was claiming for that period and thus divided it
by four to arrive at the figure set out in the

first paragraph. And similarly for the period

from March 1986 onwards. His Honour estimated

that the chance of success by the plaintiff was

one in twenty being a one in twenty chance of the

plaintiff getting the whole amount that he was

claiming for the future.

Now, what we simply submit is that if the

law required a present day assessment of the appellant's

damages then what His Honour was required to do
was to make his own assessment of the injuries

and their worth and that on no view could a calculation in terms of a percentage chance

of achieving 100 per cent of what the plaintiff
claimed be a correct method of assessing damage~
that is the issue was not what prospect did the
plaintiff have of getting 100 per cent of his
claim and that particular submission is set

out at point 16 of the outline of submission.

(Continued on page 76)

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MR REDLICH (continuing):  The trial judge's method of

assessment was expressly approved by Mr Justice Kaye

at page 102 of the appeal book and His Honour in

making that assessment, notwithstanding that

His Honour felt bound to make a present day

assessment, took into account at page 36 of the

appeal book the view that he thought a jury was

likely to take of psychi~tric evidence. His Honour

noted that over the years he had:

noticed a distinct hesitation and a
degree of conservatism in non-lawyers, whether as lay members of tribunals as

such or as members of juries, in their

approach to claims involving psychiatric

matters.

It is not clear how His Honour employed that

conservatism or hesitation in his ultimate assessment

of damage but,in our submission, if the correct

rule of law be that a present day assessment is

required, then the characteristics of what a jury

might have done and any particular idiosyncracies

of a jury are, in our submission, irrelevant to

His Honour's task. And, finally, we submit that

in broad terms the learned trial judge misdirected

himself by asking what the percentage chance was of

the plaintiff succeeding in respect of particular heads of damage. In our submission, the injuries

suffered and their consequences had to be determined

on the balance of probabilities, not by reference

to chances. And, the House of Lords has recently

considered this question in HOTSON V EAST .BERKSHIRE AREA

HEALTH AUTHORITY, (1987) P WLR 232. In

our submission, if it is a present day assessment

His Honour was required to deal with the question on the balance of probabilities and not by

reference to the issue of a lost chance. May it
please the Court.

MASON CJ: Thank you, Mr Redlich. Yes, Mr Buchanan?

MR BUCHANAN:  May I hand to the Court copies of our outline

of submissions.

MASON CJ:  Thank you.
MR BUCHANAN:  If the Court pleases, an important part of the

submissions that have been put forward on behalf

of the appellant is that the question of quantum

in a solicitor's negligence case, where that

negligence leads to the loss of a right of action,

is divided into two parts. The first part is

the question of determining how likely it is that

the plaintiff will succeed or would have succeeded
in his lost action and the second part is assigning

a value to that prospect once it has been determined

what it was. And, while we do not mind that, the
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appellant also says that in the end different rules

and different principles govern the two parts. The

first part is truly valuing a chance in the way
in which the Courts in KITCHEN and other like cases

did, that is making an estimate of what would have

happened on some prior date, but the second part

is not valuing a chance at all, it is determined

by the same rules that would apply if the

negligent solicitor were standing in the shoes of

the original tortfeasor or wrongdoer.

In our submission, the same principles do

apply to both parts of this question of quantum and

they must do so because otherwise the Court is

not valuing the lost chance of the plaintiff and

is not compensating him precisely for what it is that

he has lost.

(Continued on page 78)

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MR BUCHANAN (continuing):  We would say that, to steal a

phrase of my friend's and adapt it, it is a general

and universal rule that in assessing damages,whether

they be damages for breach of contract or tort, what

the Court is concerned with and does is to ensure that

the person who has been wronged is placed as nearly as
possible in the same position as if he had not been

wronged by the defendant whom he is suing and we, for

our part, also refer to what is often said to be the

origin of the principle, from the speech of Lord Blackburn

in the case of LIVINGSTONE V RAWYARDS COAL CO. It is

conveniently set out, if the Court please, in the case

of COUNTY PERSONNEL V PULVER & CO, (1987) 1 WLR 916,

a case cited by my learned friend but, I am afraid

our reference is to the Weekly Law Reports, not the

All England Law Reports. It is at page 925 that

Lord Justice Bingham, about a third of the way down

the page, stated what he described as the overriding

rule of Lord Blackburn. It:

Has been repeated on countless occasions

since: the measure of damages is

"that sum of money which will put the party who

has been injured, or who has suffered, in the

same position as he would have been in if he

had not sustained the wrong for which he is now

getting his compensation or reparation."

And he added to that what Lord Justice Megaw said in

DODD PROPERTIES and we would say that is a useful test

in the present case:

"In any case of doubt, it is desirable that the

judge, having decided provisionally as to the

amount of damages, should, before finally

deciding, consider whether the amount conforms

with the requirement of Lord Blackburn's

fundamental principle. If it appears not to

conform, the judge should examine the question

within one of the exceptions of which Lord again to see whether the particular case falls
Blackburn gave examples, or whether he is
obliged by some binding authority to arrive
at a result which is inconsistent with the
fundamental principle."

Well, we would say that the test which His Lordship there

proposes is apt here and the amount awarded by the trial

judge and the way in which he went about assessing that

amount was not and could not be the amount which the

plaintiff lost as a consequence of the solicitor's

negligence. It was, at least a component of it, must
have been and necessarily was bec~use he is assessing

it as at the day of the trial before him, something

which the plaintiff would not have got but for the

solicitor's negligence.

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In our submission, the breach of contract or

duty in the present case was failing to issue the
proceedings against the incorporated nominal

defendant claiming damages for the plaintiff's

personal injuries and, if that breach had not

occurred, the appellant would probably have had

the benefit of a trial of his action at a time

found by His Honour and he is to be restored, we

would say, to that position, and not to any other

position.

Now, we would illustrate it and we would hope

not in too simplistic a way by the example of two

persons who, for example, are identical twins who

are injured in the same accident in identical

circumstances by the same defendant. One has a

competent, careful solicitor; the other does not.

And the first has his action brought on in due

time and he recovers damages in a particular amount

according to the rules that would apply by the

tribunal then in assessing his damages. His twin,

unless one is going to take the notional trial and

one is going to attempt to fix what would have been

on a prior occasion, is going to recover,

necessarily will recove:c. a different amount.

(Continued on page 80)

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MR BUCHANAN (continuing):  We would say that it can be seen

from that that the second plaintiff has simply not

been restored to the position he would have been

in if no wrong had been done, he has. been placed in

a different position.

BRENNAN J:  Is that so, Mr Buchanan? After all, the first

plaintiff got his money years ago.

MR BUCHANAN:  Yes, Your Honour.
BRENNAN J:  The second one did not.
MR BUCHANAN:  Yes. We would say that it is often the case,

certainly in conunercial actions, that a plaintiff does

not receive the compensation to which he is entitled

at the time when he ought to, and that is a conunon

situation in the law and one with which it grapples,

but the way in which it grapples with it is by the

award of interest, but no more. For example, a person

who has an orthodox conunercial cause where he is

claiming damages for defective goods that he purchased

pursuant to a contract of sale of goods might take

his action, for one reason or another, five years

and eleven months from the date upon which his cause

of action accrued, that is when he first received the
defective goods, and the court will award him
interest and the fact that it will not inquire
and cannot inquire as to why it is that for the
period between the breach and the damage and the
institution of proceedings he lay quiescent.

Now, in the present case we would say, bearing in mind steadily that one is talking about a solicitor

who is negligent in the way in which he goes about

his duty, not a person who himself causes personal

injury, that that being so the plaintiff, like the

person who gets the defective goods, is in the
position of a man who can sue inunediately his

cause of action arises; that is, in the present case
he could certainly have sued at the moment his action
became statute barred. Now, we would say that the

reasons why he did not sue then and only sued some

years later is a matter about which this Court must

speculate, and indeed any court might speculate, but

we would say it is not really a matter that forms

properly the subject-matter of investigation by the

Court.

It is possible, of course, that that is an

additional ground of complaint of either the solicitors
who are the respondents to this appeal, or perhaps

some other firm of solicitors. They should have done

earlier what they did not do until quite late, but

we would say that there is no difference, and there

ought not to be a difference, in principle, in the

way this case is treated and this plaintiff is treated

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from any other plaintiff who also complains about a breach of duty of solicitors, either of contract or

~te same duty giving rise to a duty in tort. In our

submission, the way in which the law deals with that

is by the award of interest. It does not deal with it

by assuming that the gap, that is that the waiting

before proceedings are instituted to right the wrong,

is something for which the original tortfeasor should

compensate the plaintiff.

BRENNAN J:  I am not sure that follow that. Take, for example,

the case of a plaintiff who has a whiplash injury to

the back. If he had the money he would buy a
water-bed. He has not got the money so he does not

buy a water-be<l until his case comes to court. Now, does

he get damages in the meantime for the pains he has

suffered by not being able to lie on a water-bed, or does not

he, or do you give him notionally the cost of a water-bed

when his injury is sustained, plus interest?

MR BUCHANAN:  We would have thought, Your Honour, that in the

end it comes down to a question of what items of loss

ought reasonably to have been within contemplation

of the solicitor who caused the wrong, and if the

correct result is that he ought to have foreseen that

if he negligently allowed, or carelessly allowed
an action to be barred which prevented the plaintiff

recovering money when he should, that thereby the

plaintiff would be put to additional harm,

additional to that that simply flows from not having

his money now, such as increased pain and discomfort
because he has no financial way of relieving it.

We would have thought that perhaps that might be a

proper head of recovery, but that would be a matter

to be determined in those terms and is not to be

answered simply by assessing all the plaintiff's

damages as at the date of the trial of the

solicitor's negligence.

(Continued on page 81)

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MR BUCHANAN (continuing):  Could we refer the Court to

what we think might be the only one we can cite

that no one else has, of PERRI V ZAITMAN,

(1984) VR 314. We rely upon it because we would

say that the distortion that is caused by treating

the negligent solicitor as if he were the original

wrongdoer is illustrated by what might have

happened in this present case and it also takes

up the question that Your Honour Mr Justice Dawson

asked this morning.

This is a case where the plaintiffs were

assaulted by two persons who were subsequently

sentenced to terms of imprisonment who had no money.

The plaintiffs retained solicitors to sue the

wrongdoers and the solicitors negligently allowed those proceedings to become statute bar, they did not take the proceedings within time, and the question

for His Honour was, "What was the sum which ought

properly to be awarded in the action against the

solicitors, having regard to the fact that the

wrongdoers were well nigh insolvent?" And the

argument that was put with which he had to deal

by counsel on behalf of the plaintiff is set out

at page 317, at line 9:

Mr Hart submitted that it was not open to

a defendant to urge that damages awarded

against him should be limited by his ability

to pay and that the present case involves

a similar proposition. I do not think that
this is a parallel comparison. The defendants'

solicitors do not, in these actions, plead

a limited ability to pay any judgment. What

they wish to rely on is a matter which they

say is directly relevant to the actual value

of the plaintiffs' loss.

And then if I could go down to line 25:

The jury will be asked to evaluate the pecuniary loss suffered by the plaintiffs by reason of the fact that they could not
proceed with their actions.

And then again, at line 30:

It -

that is, the question of whether the judgment was

recoverable in the sense of would it lead in the

end to satisfaction -

goes to the very heart of the value of the

lost chance.

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And we would say that in the present case the

consequence of equating the solicitors here with
the original wrongdoer, or his representative

the incorporated nominal defendant, would have

to lead to the recovery of an amount which was

not the value of the thing lost but something else.

In our submission, if a court which is trying

a question of the negligence of a solicitor in

the circumstances like the present, that is, where
it leads to the loss of a cause of action, if it
admits evidence of events after the date when the
trial of that cause of action should have been

held but was not because of the negligence of the

solicitor, we would say that it is no longer, that

is the court hearing the action, is no longer

awarded the plaintiff what he has lost but is doing

one of two things, it is either giving him something

which he would never have received but for the

negligence of the solicitor, in the case of a

change of circumstances which is more favourable

to the plaintiff, or in the case of a change of

circumstancesdetrimental to the plaintiff, it is

depriving him of something he otherwise would have
received and merely because - that comes about

because of the solicitor's negligence.

We would say that the matters that were raised

by His Honour Mr Justice Miles in VULIC V BILINSKY

do not warrant a departure from what is basic

principle and, really, we would say the only

principle that leads to the proper result.

(Continued on page 84)

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MR BUCHANAN (continuing): His Honour said, in the first place, that it was impossible to estimate what

another tribunal would have done at another time

an4 to echo other courts, we would say, yes it

is perhaps difficult but it is not impossible and the fact that the exercise cannot, of its nature,

be precise, we would say does not necessarily destroy

its validity. It is still the best means, imperfect

as it is, of arriving at what is closest to the

correct result. And, without taking the Court

to the case in detail, could we refer to the case

of TALBOT V GENERAL TELEVISION CORPORATION,

(1980) VR 224, as an example of a court grappling

with the estimation of a chance and its value.

In that case it was the chance that was lost

by not being able to sell to a television company a

proeramme that the plaintiff had devised, and it

sits in the same category as the task of the court

in CHAPLIN V HICKS to determine what the chance

was of being excluded from a beauty contest when,

I think, th~ plaintiff had reached the last 50.

His Honour also said that it was impossible to

fix the date of trial. We would say that that

is a question of fact which is capable of decision

on evidence which is readily available and that

would be evidence of general practice in like cases
and, we would say,that it· is evidence of what happens

in like cases run by the average, reasonably competent

and careful solicitor.

Now, we would submit that in that regard it

again is a matter for any retrial of this action
as to whether or not these solicitors, that is

the respondents to the appeal, were, in addition

to allowing the action to become statute barred,
also perhaps negligent in not assembling and

gathering, at least by the time that a notional

trial might have come on, the evidence that the

plaintiff now says he would require in order to

properly conduct an action that tries his claim for injuries. We would say that is not a matter

that is relevant or material to the question of

what is the appropriate date as at which to assess

this plaintiff's injuries. It might well be an

appropriate matter for the judge when the matter

is retried if it is contended before him that there

was, in fact, an additional area of negligence

over and above merely inaction in the sense of

allowing the statute to run, and there might be

loss that can be demonstrated as flowing from that

but that can be coped with and dealt with within

the context of an exercise which is valuing, and

truly valuing the lost chance.

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It is not a reason, in itself, for departing

from that exercise and trying the action as if

it were an action against the original wrong-doer.

Your Honours, it was put that if the appeal were

to - apart from the question of a date for trial

a complaint is made of the method by which, and

the amount in respect of which, the trial judge

fixed particular items of loss and we would not

think it necessary to detain this Court with argument

on that point because if the exercise that the

Court is engaged upon is, in fact - and should

be engaged upon, that is the court hearing the
solicitor's negligence - hearing all the evidence
as if it were trying the original action for personal
injuries then, subject to those matters - or subject
to what precisely were the failings of the solicitors,
we would have thought it probably follows that

the judge does not embark on the exercise he did:

that is, he does not try to evaluate what were

the prospects, or would have been the prospects

in 1979 or 1980, of this particular plaintiff proving

particular items of his loss.

If the Court pleases.

(Continued on page 86)

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MASON CJ:  Thank you, Mr Buchanan. Mr Redlich?

MR REDLICH: 

May it please the Court, our learned friend in answer to the illustration in relation to the

waterbed did not, in our submission, address what
is or underlies  the essence of compensation for
personal injury and that is at least theoretically that
the provision of a sum of money is to restore
the plaintiff as far as money can to the plaintiff's
former self and that is an expression which has
been used from time to time in the cases and if
that be so, if that is the object of a monetary
payment by way of compensation to as far as money
can put the plaintiff back, make him whole, then
obviously in all cases of continuing injury there
is continuing damage sustained until the plaintiff
receives that sum of money.

The case of PERRI V ZAITMAN, we submit, supports

the proposition we advanced earlier that whilst
there is an evidentiary onus on the negligent
solicitor to show that the amount of money which
the plaintiff would otherwise have got, or
the value of his injuries has got to be reduced
or discarded because of the inability of the
original tortfeasor to satisfy the fruits of the

judgment. As to the suggestion of the respondent
that it is easy enough to select a notional trial
date, we submit why has it been that a trial date
is selected as the most likely date on which the
plaintiff would have come into his money. It is a
notorious fact that the vast majority of personal
injury cases are settled.  They do not go to trial
and to verdict, so why is it that the notional

trial date should be selected as the date upon which the plaintiff has to have his damages assessed. And

if we are correct in saying that in the vast
majority of cases the plaintiff will come into his
money as a result of asettlement whether before trial
or during the course of it - the full verdict, then
does that no, in our respectful submission,
highlight the impossibility of a task facing a
present trial judge to try and ascertain when this
case would have settled as distinct from gone for
trial.

(Continued on page 87)

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MR REDLICH (continuing): There is only one other matter

we would seek to raise. It does not strictly arise

out of our learned friend's reply and that is

His Honour Mr Justice Murphy in his judgment

rejected the notion that there could be any

amount of damages given to make up the difference

between the amount which would have been awarded

at the notional trial date and the assessment of

the solicitor's negligence and that appears at

page 124 of the appeal book. The other two members

of the Court, it does not appear, addressed that

particular question.

MASON CJ: Yes, thank you, Mr Redlich. Mr Buchanan, do you

want to respond to that last point in any way?

MR BUCHANAN:  No, Your Honour, other than to say that it

really was a passing remark and I think it was

based on what His Honour read in the judgment

of Chief Justice Bray in TUTUNKOFF where His Honour

doubted the basis upon which a court could throw
something in or give something extra for that loss.

In respect of that, I would only rely on the matters that I put to the Court in answer to

Mr Justice Brennan's question.

MASON CJ: Yes.

MR BRITTON:  May it please the Court, my learned leader

this morning undertook to supply some additional

pages of the judgment. Your Honours, on looking

into the matter, it appears that you already have

the full number of pages that we intended to refer to so I simply wanted to mention that to the Court before we adjourn.

MASON CJ:  Thank you, Mr Britton. The Court will consider its

decision in these two appeals

AT 3.37 PM THE MATTER WAS ADJOURNED SINE DIE
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