Davis v The Queen
[1991] HCATrans 291
| IN THE HIGH COURT OF AUSTRALIA |
| Office of the Registry |
Perth No P37 of 1990 B e t w e e n -
ERIN DAVIS (nee KEARSLEY)
Applicant
and
THE QUEEN
Respondent
Application for special leave
to appeal
DEANE J
DAWSON J
TOOHEY J
GAUDRON J
MCHUGH J
TRANSCRIPT OF PROCEEDINGS
AT PERTH ON TUESDAY, 22 OCTOBER 1991, AT 12.17 PM
Copyright in the High Court of Australia
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| MR W.B. HARRIS: I appear for the applicant. | (instructed by |
William Berkeley Harris)
| MR G.F. SCOTT, QC: | And again, if the Court pleases, with my |
learned junior, MS T.D. SWEENEY, I represent the
Crown in this matter. (instructed by the Crown Solicitor for Western Australia)
| DEANE J: | Mr Harris? |
| MR HARRIS: | If it please the Court. Your Honour, this |
application, it is submitted, comes within the
guidelines for special leave in that it issuggested that the Court of Criminal Appeal fell
into error of law in its consideration of the
summing up, and it failed to recognize an
inaccuracy and insufficiency in the directions
given. The basis of the opinion of the application is that the trial judge must be astute to secure
for the accused a fair trial according to law.
| DEANE J: | Mr Harris, I just notice we have your summary of |
argument. If you could just sit down for a few
moments we will glance through it.
| MR HARRIS: | Thank you. |
| DEANE J: | Mr Harris, I think the most convenient course |
would be if you just proceeded to develop your
argument without worrying separately about showing
that it is a case for leave, and the Court will be
in a position to assess whether it is a case for
leave at the end of your argument.
MR HARRIS: Yes, Your Honour, thank you.
| DEANE J: | I am not saying that we will decide whether it is |
a case for leave at that stage, but it will be
implicit in what you say in the arguments as to why
leave should be granted.
| MR HARRIS: Your Honour, I think the shortest way I can put |
this to you is how it happened. At the close of
the Crown case a submission was made, in the terms
of an article that was presented by Brown in
supplying drugs in England and Australia, in the
copy you have before you, and it deals with the
concept of control and it was pointed out that, in
this particular case, although this woman, the
applicant, is driving, it is submitted the drugs were in the actual possession of her husband who
had pleaded guilty to the possession of the drugs,
and in all the circumstances there was a rational
hypothesis of innocence and, therefore, it was
submitted that there should be no case to answer.
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The learned trial judge looked at it, a
definition in the Criminal Code, and although
really there is nothing wrong with the definition
he never explained to the jury what the definition
meant in relation to the defence of the applicant.
In fact he told the jury that if they find, in a sense, because she is the driver of the car and, in a sense, that is control of the cannabis within it,
that is enough.
Of course, the basis of the submission was
that a taxi driver who drives a passenger would not
be in control of a watch on the passenger's wrist
or, indeed, he would not be in control or
possession of the passenger's briefcase, and if the
passenger had a 20 litre barrel then the taxi
driver would not be in control or possession of the
barrel because it is in the actual possession of
the passenger.
The normal cases - the cases that this Court has dealt with Saad, Kural and Teh, has all been
done - would have been dealing with manual
possession and then knowledge comes into it. In
each case the accused had a case or had imported
something. In this case, it was submitted that the
accused had never taken delivery and the knowledge,
for example, that a taxi driver might have that the
watch was stolen or the briefcase contained stolen
books or the barrel contained cannabis, really did
not apply until actual delivery had taken place,and if the explanation, given by the applicant,
that the journey she took was incidental to
returning to Bunbury so that she could be married,
then she was really in the position of a taxi
driver; she did not know what was going on; she
did not help the co-accused obtain the drug - - -
DAWSON J: Well, she did know what was going on, did she
not? There is not much question that she knew what
it was that went into the vehicle?
MR HARRIS: Before. She did not drive him to the spot for
the purpose of obtaining, she knew when it was in
the vehicle that it was cannabis.
DAWSON J: It was a diversion from the normal journey was it
not? It was a diversion that she took?
MR HARRIS: Yes, but in the circumstances and the area where
it is, it was just a very short diversion. The young lady had already driven two and a half thousand kilometres up from her country town to
pick up the boy friend for the purpose of taking
him back to get married and legitimizing the child.
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| DAWSON J: | You do not go to the end of the bitumen just for |
a social call do you?
| MR HARRIS: | No. | He just said, "Run me out before I go" on |
their journey, and you of course can draw an
inference from that, she must have known something
was going on. But you must remember that, in the
circumstance of this particular case, there was a
young woman exhausted who travelled a long way and
she had a young child with her.
DAWSON J: But all these are things which were no doubt put
to the jury, it was a question of fact, was it not?
| MR HARRIS: Yes, Your Honour. | But His Honour - |
| DAWSON J: | But you say His Honour went wrong in his charge, |
that is really what you say, is it not?
MR HARRIS: His Honour rejected that approach, told the jury
that, "Look, the situation is this: she owns the
vehicle, she is driving it, then in a sense she is
in control of the cannabis", and that is how he
left it to the jury without explaining the
situation fully and allowing that rational
hypothesis of innocence to be put to the jury.
| DAWSON J: | He did say, did he not, that it was a question |
whether she had custody and dominion with
knowledge, or dominion with knowledge of the
cannabis?
| MR HARRIS: | Yes. What His Honour said, one could perhaps |
not take fault with, but what His Honour did, we
submit, in the misdirection, was fail to follow
through and put fairly a defence that was open on
the evidence that, indeed, she was an innocentparty and if they accepted that then there was a
hypothesis of innocence. Now, that was not ever
really left to the jury in this case.
| TOOHEY J: | Mr Harris, could I - sorry, were you going to add |
something else?
| MR HARRIS: | No, Your Honour. |
TOOHEY J: Could you just clarify for us the statutory
position here. The provisions of the Code, bearing on responsibility, presumably, applied to this
offence, is that right?
MR HARRIS: Yes.
TOOHEY J: But I note that the Court of Criminal Appeal said
that the definition of possession in the Code had
no application to this particular statute?
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| MR HARRIS: That is right. |
| TOOHEY J: | Why is that? |
MR HARRIS: Because the Code says, "The following
definitions will apply in this Code." You have a copy of the - - -
TOOHEY J: Yes, I appreciate that. So, so far as possession
is concerned that was to be determined according to
ordinary principles of the law if they had been
laid down in cases?
| MR HARRIS: | Yes, Your Honour. |
| TOOHEY J: | And does the Code, itself, play any part, from |
your point of view, in the resolution of this
application?
MR HARRIS: Actually, I would submit, no.
| TOOHEY J: | So you do not rely upon any provisions of the |
Code going to responsibility, for instance, as
bearing upon the application for special leave?
| MR HARRIS: | No, Your Honour. | The Code is important because |
in so far as His Honour Mr Justice Wallace, after
pointing out the errors in the direction set out
what would be called a model direction, and I read
it, perhaps, too favourably that he could concede a
rational hypothesis of innocence. But then he
applied the proviso on the basis that she was
aiding, and although the other judges, His Honourthe Chief Justice and His Honour
Mr Justice Pidgeon, both said that was a wrong
approach or they indicated it was a wrong approach,
and, indeed, in similar circumstances in this Statethat approach has been rejected by the Court of
Criminal Appeal including Mr Justice Wallace, and
my case No 23, Buck, is an example, where the Crown
approached a case of possession on the basis that
the man had control, and the Chief Justice pointed out that that was a wrong approach and refused to
order a retrial to allow the Crown to decideanother approach as an aider.
| TOOHEY J: | I am not entirely clear what the complaint is |
here. Is it that the trial judge erred in law in directing the jury in the way in which he did, or
that he was correct in law but perhaps misapplied
the law to the facts in so far as he was directing
the jury as to the view they could take of the
evidence; what is the complaint?
MR HARRIS: That he did not give an adequate direction both
as to the law and the possible use of the relevant
facts upon any matter upon which the jury could, in
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the circumstances of the case on the material
before it, then find or base a verdict. That he
took the view that driving the car meant that you
were in control of the cannabis because he pointed
out, using that definition, that it did not matter
who was in actual possession of it or who owned it,
if you controlled it in any manner then you were
guilty. And having taken that approach which, I submit, is the wrong approach, then of course he
felt there was no longer any need to direct on
exclusive control, on circumstantial evidence, on complicity, because he saw it simply as driving a
motor vehicle in control of the cannabis.
DAWSON J: But that does not seem to me to be entirely
accurate. If you look at page 71, which is the
first page in which the relevant passages appear,
he was merely putting the Crown case there,
line 17:
In this case it is said that the accused had possession of the cannabis because she was both the owner and the driver of the car in
which the cannabis was situated and she knew
that in fact it was cannabis. You are asked
to infer from all the circumstances that it
was more than her simply being in a car with
cannabis there -
which is her defence -
she did have, in a sense at least, dominion or
control over that cannabis.
And then he says it is a matter for the jury. Now, that is simply putting the Crown case, is it not?
MR HARRIS: Yes, Your Honour.
| DAWSON J: | And then later on, at page 76, he puts her case: |
On her behalf Mr Harris has reminded you that she told the police officers in effect
that she did not want to have anything to do
with the cannabis. The trip was purely
incidental to her getting married. The trip 40 miles out or more to the end of the bitumen
on the Gibb River Road was just something she
got involved in. She did not want to be
there. She did not want to have anything to
do with the cannabis. He also put to you that she did not intend to commit a crime. She did not intend to possess cannabis.
And then he goes on to say that, in the circumstances, the intention perhaps to posses the cannabis is not really the question.
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MR HARRIS: Yes, Your Honour.
| DAWSON J: | What is it you complain about? |
| MR HARRIS: | Going back to the first - you refer to page 71? |
| DAWSON J: | Yes. |
| MR HARRIS: | You look at page 70, paragraph 60: |
The term "possession" includes having under
control in any manner whatever, whether for
the use or benefit of the person of whom the
term is used or of another person and although
another person has the actual possession or
custody of the thing or property.
That definition, when coupled with the direction
and without it being explained to the jury, that if
they found that Stephen Davis was in actual
possession of the drug, and if they accepted her
statement to the police that she had nothing to do
with the cannabis, then the fact that she was
driving the vehicle did not make her to be inpossession of the cannabis.
DAWSON J: But he said that:
You are asked to infer from all the
circumstances that it was more than her simply being in a car with cannabis there: she did have, in a sense at least, dominion or control over that cannabis.
MR HARRIS: But before that:
because she was both the owner and the driver
of the car.
| DAWSON J: | And that is the fact from which the Crown |
suggested the inference could be drawn in the circumstances.
| MR HARRIS: | Yes. |
GAUDRON J: Your answer is that that, in itself, was not
sufficient unless there was some determination as
to the role of the husband in all of this?
MR HARRIS: Yes, Your Honour, that is exactly the point.
McHUGH J: But you really needed a negative direction, did
you not, that it was not enough that she was the
owner of the vehicle and the driver of the vehicle
and that she was aware of something being in thecar? Is that not really what you needed?
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| MR HARRIS: Yes, that is what we needed. In a very |
difficult case such as this, make it quite clear to
the jury that if the situation was, then she was
not in possession, and His Honour concentrated on
when she would be, I would have thought.
DAWSON J: | But the difficulty with that is that it may be enough in these circumstances that she was the | |
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| like a wrist-watch on someone's wrist, this was a | ||
| substantial quantity of stuff for which she had driven out 40 miles - perhaps I should not put it that way - and the car had been driven 40 miles out in order that this stuff could be received from two | ||
| men, at least one of whom was known to the accused | ||
| here, the female accused, with whom she had had | ||
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| circumstances there was no evidence that she | ||
| objected to the stuff being put in the car; she | ||
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| circumstances it was open to the jury to infer from the fact that she was the driver and owner of the | ||
| car that she was in possession of it, jointly, | ||
| perhaps, with her then de facto husband. | ||
| MR HARRIS: | Yes, they could infer that, Your Honour, but |
surely in those circumstances that a Barca
direction would be necessary on circumstantial
evidence.
DAWSON J: Well, no, why? You mean that there may have been
a hypothesis consistent with innocence?
| MR HARRIS: | Yes. |
| DAWSON J: | It would be incorrect to give that direction |
here. Either the jury found that she was in
possession of the cannabis or they did not. If they did not then that is the end of the case, if they did that is the end of the case, there would be no place for the direction of that sort.
| MR HARRIS: But without that clear negative direction - - - |
DAWSON J: There is no room for hypothesizing here, there is
just one clear question.
MR HARRIS: But without the negative - the positive negative
direction, the jury could well have believed that
control of the car was control of the cannabis
within it.
DAWSON J: They might have been the circumstances but it was
a question for them and it was left by the trial
judge.
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| McHUGH J: | You do not dispute it was open to the jury to |
convict your client of possession?
| MR HARRIS: | Not at all. |
McHUGH J: But if a taxi driver allows me to get into his
taxi with my briefcase has the taxi driver got
possession of my briefcase, that is the question is
it not?
MR HARRIS: Yes, Your Honour.
| McHUGH J: | And you say that these directions of the trial |
judge allowed your client to be convicted on that
approach?
MR HARRIS: Yes, Your Honour.
DAWSON J: | One rather gets the impression - correct me if I am wrong - that her defence was not so much that |
| she was not in possession of the cannabis, that she | |
| did not want to have anything to do with the | |
| enterprise, that it was against her better judgment | |
| that all of this happened and that she had been | |
| prevailed upon. But that, in the circumstances, | |
| may not be sufficient. | |
| MR HARRIS: | It was never put to the jury, Your Honour, the question, "Did she intend to share in the exclusive |
| was of - - - |
DAWSON J: That is intent going to whether she possessed it
for supply, is it not, that is a different question
and there there was a statutory reversal of onus?
MR HARRIS: That only arises, of course, if they find that
she is in possession.
DAWSON J: Yes, that is right.
| MR HARRIS: | And if they find that she is in possession on |
the basis that a taxi driver is in possession of a
brief case then the direction of His Honour, at
page 70, again, is somewhat confusing for he says:
What evidence is there of the absence of
intent to sell or supply the drug? There
really is very little. As I understand it there is no direct evidence at all save for
the accused's statement to the police officersthat she had nothing to do with it.
That goes to the intent.
| DAWSON J: | Of course it does but the situation there was |
that is the last element, whether there was an
| Davis | 22/10/91 intent to supply - is that the word? - and because |
| the quantity of cannabis was so great, or | |
| sufficiently great, the onus was shifted on to the | |
| accused to prove that she did not intend to supply | |
| it and there was no evidence. That is a different | |
| question. | |
| MR HARRIS: | She has told the police that she had nothing to |
do with it.
DAWSON J: Yes.
| MR HARRIS: | The police never asked her whether she knew was |
there an intent to sell or supply or what her
husband intended to do with it, because, clearly,
the police officer accepted her explanation that
she had nothing to do with it and charged her on
the basis that she was driving a vehicle and,
therefore, if you are driving a vehicle you are in
control of the cannabis.
| DAWSON J: | I am not sure how you put that. | The question of |
possession is a separate question with what the
intent was with respect to disposal of the
cannabis, ultimately. We are not concerned with that last question, we are concerned with whether
there was possession.
MR HARRIS: Yes, Your Honour.
| DAWSON J: | The trial judge directed that she had to, |
knowingly, exercise some custody or control over
the cannabis and that the jury might infer, in the circumstances, from the fact that it was placed in
her car that she did have possession. The other circumstances being that the car was driven out to
this remote spot, there two men were met - one or
both of whom? - one at least of whom was known to
the - - -
| MR HARRIS: | Two. |
DAWSON J: Both of them were known to the accused. Indeed,
a document relating to one of them was discovered
in her handbag later on, that was in evidence.
MR HARRIS: Yes, Your Honour. There was a document a year
old when she lived up north, it was a document -
there was some petrol that was purchased, it was a
year old. It was not denied that she had shared accommodation with him in Coconut Wells some 12
months before.
DAWSON J: But it was a situation in which the men were not
known only to her de facto husband but known also
to her, a situation in which she really did not
deny that she knew what the substance was. Well,
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you might incur possession in those circumstances,
or be it joint possession.
| MR HARRIS: | I am not suggesting that the jury could not |
infer so. I am suggesting that, in all the
circumstances, His Honour did not put the defencecase and relate it to the facts adequately.
| DAWSON J: | He said that it was her case that: |
She did not want to be there.
She did not want to be involved in it.
She did not want to have anything to do with
the cannabis ..... she did not intend to commit
a crime. She did not intend to possess cannabis.
MR HARRIS: But he also said that, in a sense, if you find
that in a sense she is controlling the cannabis
then she is guilty of possession.
McHUGH J: There is nothing wrong with that is there, if she
was controlling it she would have been in
possession in the certain facts of this case, would
she not?
| MR HARRIS: | I really meant it on the basis of the way it |
came across in that driving a car is, in a sense,
control. So it really gets back to the definition of "control".
| DEANE J: | Do you not really have to found on that passage in |
the middle of page 76, where His Honour expressly
told the jury that there was no need for any intentto have possession in the circumstances of this
case?
MR HARRIS: Yes, Your Honour.
| DEANE J: | And in terms of the intent to supply or sell, is |
that not relevant to what possession means in this
statute; that is, that if possession in therelevant sense exists, it is presumed that the
person who has it intended herself to supply or
sell the product?
MR HARRIS: Yes, sir.
| DEANE J: | Now, that is really what your case is about, is it |
not?
| MR HARRIS: | Thank you very much, sir. |
DEANE J: Well, I was not saying, I was asking.
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| MR HARRIS: | Yes, that is what the case is about and before |
His Honour attacked intent - and I appreciate that
he did not mean the meaning that came across was
after he mentioned in the prior paragraph what the
defence case was. He said: Members of the jury, with respect to Mr Harris
I suggest to you that that approach is
unhelpful -
which, to a jury, could have interpreted it as
meaning the fact that if they accepted her
explanation, it was not good enough. She was in control of the vehicle and intent did not matter.
| DEANE J: | Now, is there any particular case you would like |
to take us to or anything that you want to add to
the written submissions that has not been coveredin the dialogue - - -
| MR HARRIS: | I should deal with DPP v Brooks - - - |
| DEANE J: | Very well. |
| MR HARRIS: | - - - because that influences His Honour the |
Chief Justice's decision. His Honour, in his judgment, refers to DPP v Brooks and says Privy
Council had no trouble in those circumstances of finding Brooks guilty of possession; he was driving the van.
| DEANE J: | You would have a copy of this in - - - |
| MR HARRIS: | The passage I wish to draw your attention to is at page 842 2 All ER, it is the second paragraph - |
| I have underlined it. His Lordship says that: |
Since R v Livingston was the foundation of the judgment from which the instant appeal is brought, it is however important to see what
it was that that case did decide. The defendant, Livingston, was a baggageman employed by bus owners who were common
carriers. He took into his custody from a consignor for carriage on the bus on which he
travelled as baggageman a sack which was found
to contain ganja -
which is cannabis. That, clearly, was a manual
possession case and that was the basis of the
judgment in DPP v Brooks. It was always accepted,
and it was never argued on appeal, that the van
driver had taken delivery of the van and the drugs
and the question was, in that case, "Could a
servant be in possession of his master's property?"
And it was answered, "If he had taken delivery, he
must have knowledge". So I was suggesting, in that
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case, that His Honour misdirected himself and it
really had no application to this situation.
Case No 11 is the case of Gerry Maio, Court of
Criminal Appeal of Victoria, and His Honour the
Chief Justice uses that case to argue thatexclusive possession is inapplicable but, again,
that case is a manual possession case, Maio having
taken possession of the case from two Chinese
couriers. He had physically taken - that was the question, "Had he physically taken?", and if he
had, so on and so forth. But it was decided on the basis that it was a manual possession case.
Finally, His Honour referred to the Canadian
case of Bourne and it is suggested in the judgment
- it might not have been - that he was influenced
by it because he quoted it in his decision and I am
sure that he did not realize that in Canada there
is such a thing as deemed possession. "Possession"
is defined in their Criminal Code:
Where one or two or more persons with the
knowledge or consent of the rest has anything
in his custody or possession it should be
deemed to be in the custody and possession of
each and all of them.
I think with the combination of those three cases
His Honour misdirected himself, otherwise I am sure
he would have quashed the conviction.
| DEANE J: | What about the point made by Justice Wallace and |
that is that if you accept as unavoidable knowledge
of the cannabis, that on your client's own account
it was a case of aiding and abetting?
MR HARRIS: Well, the argument there is clearly Davis had
possession of the cannabis before the applicant was
involved, that the actus reus of possession is the
obtaining of possession, that possession is a state
of affairs, that unless she drove him or aided him in some way to obtain possession she did not commit
any act which is required under section 7. So where an offence is being committed, anyone who
aids the commission of the offence - and she did
not aid because the offence was already committed.
When she started driving the car the state of
affairs was Davis was in possession; at the end of
the journey the state of affairs was still Daviswas in possession. There was not a case where she
took and delivered because before one can deliver,
one would have to be in possession. So, I would
submit that aiding - well, in those terms, and I
used the argument in my summary of Beckwith and I
think it was mentioned again in He Kaw Teh where
possession had been passive.
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| DEANE J: | Thank you. | Mr Scott, could you give an estimate |
of approximately how long your submissions would
be?
| MR SCOTT: | I think, Your Honour, 15 to 20 minutes, but may I |
hand up my summaries of argument. I have a folder prepared of the cases that I wish to refer to. It may assist Your Honour to shorten the matter. I have five folders there. They contain our submissions on the special leave points; our
submissions on the appeal; and two cases with
which, I am sure, Your Honours are familiar, He Kaw
Teh and a case that followed.
DEANE J: Thank you. In that case the Court will adjourn
now until a quarter past two.
AT 12.57 PM LUNCHEON ADJOURNMENT
UPON RESUMING AT 2.17 PM:
DEANE J: Yes, Mr Scott.
| MR SCOTT: | Thank you. | May it please the Court. | In our |
submission, there were two aspects of intent
involved in the indictment in this case. I say two aspects, if Your Honours please, because on the
face of He Kaw Teh the starting point may well be
to say the definition of "possession" for the
purposes of the relevant offence under our Misuse
of Drugs Act, the concept of intent is involved in
the definition of that word.There was separately - and it needs, in our submission, to be distinguished - the question of
the intent to sell or supply which, as I understand the argument being advanced by my learned friend,
does not arise for consideration in this case. The
intent upon which we need to focus is the aspect of
intent involved in possession as explained in the
He Kaw Teh case. And I say that with the qualification as was later explained in both Kural
and Saad which are in the cases that I supplied to
Your Honours. If one starts with the He Kaw Teh
proposition, and I am citing the judgment of HisHonour Mr Justice Dawson, which I provided Your
Honours with, which we extracted at page 599, the
paragraph which commences:
Possession may be an intricate concept
for some purposes, but the intricacies belong
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to the civil rather than the criminal law. As was observed in Director of Public of the civil law which separate proprietary
and possessory rights in chattels are generally irrelevant for the purposes of the
criminal law. There the concept is a basic
one involving the intentional exercise of
physical custody or control over something.
Knowledge is the basis of the necessaryintent. There may be a sense in which physical custody or control can be exercised over something in ignorance of its presence or
existence, but this has never been considered
sufficient to amount to possession in law.
And then, having cited the case of Irving v
Nishimura, below that citation -
Although intent must be based upon knowledge,
it is the degree of knowledge required which
poses the difficult question.
Your Honours, the next step in the line of reasoning, in our submission, was in Kural's case
and if I may take Your Honours, in that case, to
page 504 of the judgment of this Court where in the
judgment of the majority in that case the Court
held, at the start of the judgment:
the prosecution must prove that the accused
has acted with mens rea, that is to say, with
a guilty mind.
And then, further down the page -
How does one prove the existence of the
requisite intention? Sometimes there is
direct evidence in the form of an admission by
an accused that he intended his conduct to
involve the forbidden act. More often, the existence of the requisite intention is a
matter of inference from what the accused has
actually done. The intention may be inferred
from the doing of the proscribed act and the
circumstances in which it was done.
And then, at the foot of that same page -
But that is not to say that actual knowledge
or awareness is an essential element in the
guilty mind required for the commission of the
offence. It is only to say that knowledge or
awareness is relevant to the existence of the
necessary intent. Belief, falling short of
actual knowledge, that the article comprised
or contained narcotic drugs would obviously
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sustain an inference of intention ..... As a
practical matter, the inference of mens rea or
a guilty mind will ordinarily be irresistible
in cases involving the importation of narcotic
drugs if it is proved beyond reasonable doubt
that the accused actually imported the drugs
and that he was aware, at the time of the
alleged commission of the offence, the
likelihood of the existence of the substance
in question in what he was importing and of
the likelihood that it was a narcotic drug.
What we have said is designed to emphasize
that the existence of the requisite intention
is a question of fact and that in most cases
the outcome will depend on an inference to be
drawn from primary facts found by the tribunal
of fact. In this, as in other areas of the
law, it is important not to succumb to the
temptation of transforming matters of factinto propositions of law. In that regard, we
would emphasize that the foregoing comments
are not designed as a direction or instruction
to be read by trial judges to juries. They
are intended to give guidance to trial judges
in order to enable them to formulate such
directions as may be appropriate to the facts
and circumstances of particular cases.
In our respectful submission, what was necessary in this case was that the applicant should have the
relevant guilty knowledge that what she was
participating in was the illegal transportation of
the cannabis in question.
If that aspect of the case is pointed up, in
our respectful submission, it draws the very distinction that my learned friend would not
embrace in his argument to the Court and that is
that the taxi driver who picks up the man who has
with him the briefcase, on which is marked
"cannabis", and says to the taxi driver, "I have
with me a brief case full of cannabis", in our submission, does not commit the offence. And he does not commit the offence, we would say, because
he does not have the requisite guilty knowledge.
For all he knows, it may be an analyst, a
government analyst, taking the drugs to the
chemical laboratories or a police officer takingdrugs to the police station.
Once the passenger gets into his taxi and
says, "I have with me the satchel full of cannabis
and I would like you to take me a hotel where I
intend to be involved in a drug transaction", the
taxi driver then acquires the relevant guilty
knowledge and, in our submission, that would make
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him then guilty of the offence under our Misuse of
Drugs Act.
McHUGH J: Well, that means he must be in possession.
Supposing some passer-by, driving past, grabbed the
briefcase, can the taxi driver sue for conversion
or trespass?
| MR SCOTT: | In the situation that I prognosticated where he |
is assisting in taking the man to the drug
transaction?
MCHUGH J: Yes.
MR SCOTT: Yes, Your Honour, we would say
McHUGH J: Or generally. Supposing it is just a briefcase
full of books.
MR SCOTT: Well, not if he does not have the requisite
guilty knowledge, we would say.
McHUGH J: But what has guilty knowledge got to do with the
law of possession?
MR SCOTT: In our respectful submission, it arises out of
the element of intention in the way in which it was
explained in He Kaw Teh. You can have possession without having guilty knowledge, as we would say
would be the case of the taxi driver who took the
man to these drugs, the government analyst to his
laboratory; he would not have the guilty knowledge
necessary for him to be a party to the illegal transaction. He would simply be a taxi driver
taking somebody. But the moment that he assumes
dominion or control in the sense of knowing what
the illegal transaction is that is taking place and
taking the step in furtherance of the criminality
by doing an act necessary for that to take place,
then that knowledge, once he acquires it, is
sufficient in our submission for him to be in
possession within the sense of dominion or control of the law, suffice for him to commit the offence. So the man who steals the briefcase from the
taxi driver when he is going to the government
chemical laboratories, the taxi driver would not
have possession of it within the meaning of the
criminal law. The man who asked the taxi driver to take him to the drug transaction with the guilty
knowledge, we would say, for the purposes of the
criminal law, does have the necessary possession.
And that is how we distinguish between those two
fact situations that were prognosticated by my
learned friend. In our submission, that is an
important distinction for the purposes of thecriminal law in this area.
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DAWSON J: It cannot do that, can it? I mean, what say the
passenger says, "I've got something in my pocket;
it's a little packet of" - whatever it might be -
"heroin and I'm taking it to supply it to users",
well, now, surely the taxi driver in that situation
has not got control, custody, whatever knowledge he
might have?
MR SCOTT: It m~y depend, as the judgments that I was
referring to point up, upon the extent of his
knowledge and the extent of his participation in
the offence; in other words, the extent to which
he is with knowledge of what is going to take
place.
DAWSON J: Well, he says to the man, "I don't care what you
tell me. I'm only a taxi driver. I'll take you
where you want to go for the fare. I don't want to know anything about that."
MR SCOTT: Well, that then might well become a question of
fact for a jury.
DAWSON J: What is the question of fact?
| MR SCOTT: | The question of fact is whether he has |
sufficiently exercised dominion or control, as
indeed was the way in which His Honour put it to
the jury here, to constitute possession.
DAWSON J: Incidentally, does the word "dominion" add
anything to control?
| MR SCOTT: | It is an odd word, in our submission, and I - - - |
DAWSON J: It would mystify the jury, but still.
| MR SCOTT: | I gave the matter some thought and I cannot be of |
great assistance to Your Honour as to what it is
trying to distinguish from control except it seems
to purport with it a sense of joint proprietorship, but I do not mean that in the ownership sense of the word; if you like, the sitting above in the sense of not necessarily hands-on control in the sense of being a party who has some capacity to direct the ultimate disposition of it, perhaps using it in that sense. But I doubt that it adds
very much to the question of control.
| McHUGH J: | You keep injecting this concept of guilt into it |
but, I mean, surely if somebody gets into a taxi
and he says, "This suit I've got is a stolen suit.
I bought it very cheap in the hotel.", is the taxi
driver in possession of the suit?
| MR SCOTT: | No, Your Honour. | In our submission, that is not |
so because he would not be doing something
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necessarily in furtherance of that particular
offence; in the sense that the offence of
receiving or of stealing may well have taken place.If, on the other hand, the man is running out of
the shop with the stolen suit, and there is
somebody after him, and he says, "I've got the
stolen suit, run me away.", and the taxi driver
does, his degree of knowledge, we would say, would
be sufficient for him to become a party to the
criminal offence of the receiving.
DEANE J: This is a constructive sort of possession, is it?
| MR SCOTT: | Yes, it is a constructive sort of possession. |
DEANE J: If the man gets in the taxi and says, "I've
swallowed the drug, take me to the hotel so I can
get it back and supply it", you would say he is in
possession of the drug in the man's stomach?
| MR SCOTT: | Yes, we would. |
| GAUDRON J: | And it is joint possession, I take it? |
MR SCOTT: It would have to be.
GAUDRON J: But that does raise a problem, does it not? It
might come as something of a shock to the first
criminal to find that he has got a shared dominion
and control with this taxi driver whom he had
proposed merely to pay $10 for the fare?
MR SCOTT: Again, Your Honour, I come back to the same issue
which lies at the basis of it, and that is the
extent of the knowledge of the taxi driver in each
individual case. And we say it is no real difficulty in this case because the Crown's case is
and always was that the applicant in this case was
a party to the drugs transaction, not just an aider
but was a party in the criminal sense to the drugs
transaction that was taking place. The Crown always put its case on that footing.
But it is in that sense that we say that when
she went out to the scene she was there to
transport drugs; she then knew that the cannabis
was being placed in her car; she knew what it was
that was being placed in the car and then when she
took the step of transporting it, knowing that that
was the next step in relation to the use that was
to be made of the cannabis, whatever that may be,
that she did not need to have specific knowledge as
to how it was to be dealt with. That was, in our submission, sufficient for her to be guilty of the
offence with which we are dealing here.
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McHUGH J: That is the point. Obviously, if the jury
accepted those facts, that is a strong case for
inferring she was in possession of it. But
supposing that all that the jury found against her
was that she was the owner of the vehicle, she was
the driver of the vehicle and she did not object to
the drums being put in with knowledge.
MR SCOTT: | Your Honour, that really comes back to the proposition that I think you put to my learned | |
| friend and that is that His Honour - and I can take Your Honour to other passages where it is, where it | ||
| is referred to, where His Honour was very clear | ||
| with the jury that they needed to go the further | ||
| step and be satisfied that there was the exercise | ||
| of dominion or control over it in the possessory sense. Your Honour took my learned friend to a | ||
| couple of passages in the appeal book relating to | ||
| ||
| relevant passage commences at page 71 of | ||
| His Honour's summing up which is the first | ||
| time - - - | ||
| McHUGH J: | The two sentences that trouble me are at page 71, |
line 17:
In this case it is said that the accused had
possession because she was both the owner and
the driver ..... and she knew that in fact it
was cannabis. You are asked to infer from all the circumstances -
MR SCOTT: | Did she have, in a sense at least, dominion or control over that cannabis? |
McHUGH J: Yes, but the inference is to be drawn from those
three factors, is it not? That is the problem.
MR SCOTT: | Yes. Your Honour, the Crown would say, without taking Your Honours laboriously through it, that |
| there were many more factors in the evidence than | |
| |
| McHUGH J: | I know that and - - - |
| MR SCOTT: | - - - jury could come to this, but the important |
aspect, so far as the Crown is concerned, was the
emphasis that was being placed by His Honour on the
need for the jury to look to this question of
dominion or control over the cannabis as being one
of the aspects of the offence that they needed to
find against the applicant before they could returnthe verdict of guilty. And, as I say, Your Honour, it is referred to not only there, it is referred to
then again in lines 31 and 32 on that same page;
it is referred to as well at pages 75 and 76 of the
appeal book in the same terms as being the critical
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issue that the jury needed to look to. At page 75,
at line 58, His Honour expresses it this way:
Did she in a real sense have some power? Did she have some dominion? Did she have some
control over the cannabis?
Is His Honour expressing that to the jury as being one of the critical issues that they the jury
needed to resolve? He says, in leading up to
that -
It is a matter for you to consider and for you
to work out if you can whether in fact her
involvement with the cannabis was more than
just knowledge that what was there was
cannabis. Did she in a real sense have some
power? Did she have some dominion? Did she
have some control over the cannabis?
And, putting it at all times, Your Honour, in our respectful submission, on the basis that she was a party to the criminal offence, in no sense being an aider in the way in which His Honour was explaining
it to the jury.
His Honour picks that up again at page 76
where he puts the test, at lines 21 and 22. He says:
She did not want to be there. She did not want to have anything to do with the cannabis.
He also put to you that she did not intend to
commit a crime. She did not intend to possess
cannabis.
And then, at line 40, he goes on to say -
She had knowledge and it is not a question in
relation to possession whether she had any
intent. The question is, did she have the
The question of intent is relevant in relation cannabis in her control, power or custody? to the third element.
And, of course, that is the intent in the other
sense in which I have used it concerning this
offence; that is the intent to sell or supply and
not the intent in relation to the concept ofpossession.
The Crown puts its case here that way and we
would say that the intent in possession is the - or
the way in which it is put in He Kaw Teh and in
Kural and in Saad is the right way, in our
submission, for a judge in Western Australia to sum
up in relation to this offence. We say that,
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Your Honours, because, in our submission, the
definition of possession in the Criminal Code is
not relevant to the Misuse of Drugs Act and we say
that, Your Honours, because our Criminal Code picks
up certain aspects of the Code for the purposes of
the criminal law under section 36. I need not take Your Honours to it but the criminal responsibility
sections are picked up.
So, section 23, for example, is picked up by
section 36 but the definition sections are not.
And so, it remains that the definition of
"possession" within the Criminal Code would be of
no relevance to an offence under the Misuse of
Drugs Act, which means that the word "possession"
in the Misuse of Drugs Act would pick up its
meaning from the common law and that, in turn,
would mean that the He Kaw Teh, Kural, Saad line of
reasoning would apply to the case. So that the common law meaning of possession would be grafted
on to the Misuse of Drugs Act, in our submission,in the way in which our statutory law works.
That being the case, we would make the
submission that, as His Honour Mr Justice Pidgeon
found in this case, that the - in our submission,
His Honour did not err in law in the way in which
he put this case to the jury, and I appreciate that
His Honour Mr Justice Wallace and the Chief Justice
both upheld the appeal on the ground that there was
no miscarriage but for different reasons.
But, in our submission, His Honour did not err
in law in the way in which he put the matter to the
of intention was not a separate question to be addressed. It is subsumed in the question as to
jury because of the emphasis that he placed upon
the question of dominion and control on the facts
of this case, coupled with the requisite knowledge.whether the requisite knowledge, guilty knowledge,
is there coupled with dominion and control and in that way - and, indeed, that is the way in which
His Honour Mr Justice Pidgeon saw the case in the
reasons in the court below - we would say that
His Honour did not misdirect the jury in relation
to this case.
But even if it was seen by this Court that
there were a misdirection of the sort that was
complained of, His Honour Mr Justice Wallace, inhis reasoning, picking up the proviso, goes on to
say that there is no miscarriage in any event
because whichever way you look at the case being
put by the applicant, even looked at on the best
you possibly could from her point of view, she was
an aider to this criminal enterprise once she
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commenced to drive the car, knowing that there was
cannabis unlawfully in the back of this car that
she hired and knowing that her transportation of it
was in furtherance of the criminal enterprise by
her then fiance.
So, in that sense, and it is only in that
sense, His Honour Mr Justice Wallace is saying
there could then be no miscarriage of justice in
this case because even looked at from the best
point of view - - -
GAUDRON J: But of what offence was she then guilty, on that
view?
MR SCOTT: | She would then be guilty as an aider to the offence of possession with intent to sell or |
| supply. |
| GAUDRON J: | Why? | What if her husband later gave evidence |
and discharged the onus of proof so that it was
mere possession?
| MR SCOTT: | In other words, that it was just for his own use? |
GAUDRON J: Yes.
MR SCOTT: Well, if that were the case - - -
| GAUDRON J: | Or that he was taking it to destroy it, or |
something of that nature.
| MR SCOTT: | Your Honour, our answer to that is, of course, |
that in relation to that, the presumption applies
from the quantity - a quantity, to her knowledge,
which exceeded the statutory amount. So, of
course, there was then a shifting of the onus of
proof as to that, and that is our entire answer to
that, really, that in the absence -
GAUDRON J: But I do not follow how the onus of proof shifts
merely because she aids possession.
| MR SCOTT: | It is the other aspect of the offence, what |
His Honour calls the third element, and that is the
intent to sell or supply it to another. Proof of that arises because of the quantity. To her knowledge, the quantity in this case was sufficient
for her to be deemed to be in possession with
intent to sell or supply it to another. In the absence of any evidence that - - -
GAUDRON J: But does the deeming operate with respect to the
aiding? That is really the question. One can see how the deeming operates with respect to
possession, but if all that is aided is the
acquisition of possession there is another step
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involved in bringing those deeming provisions into
operation, is there not?
MR SCOTT: Well, in our submission, no.
| DAWSON J: | What do the deeming provisions say? |
MR SCOTT: | I am sorry, Your Honour. Section 7 is the offence provision. Perhaps we could photocopy this |
| and supply it to the Court. |
DAWSON J: Just read it out at the moment.
| MR SCOTT: | My learned friend says section 11 is the deeming |
provision. I will read you the section, if I may, Your Honour: For the purposes of -
relevantly, section 7 -
a person shall, unless the contrary is proved,
be deemed to have in his possession, or to
cultivate, prohibited plants of a particular
species or genus with intent to sell or supply those prohibited plants or any prohibited drug
obtainable therefrom to another if he has in
his possession, or cultivates, a number of
those prohibited plants which is not less than
the number specified in Schedule VI inrelation to that species or genus.
That is the relevant deeming provision.
GAUDRON J: Yes, but that relevantly relates to having
possession.
| MR SCOTT: | Yes. |
| GAUDRON J: | We are talking, on this hypothesis, about aiding |
someone to obtain possession.
MR SCOTT: Perhaps, if that is the case, I have not
expressed myself clearly, Your Honour, because what
we would say is that she was aiding him in the
furtherance of the criminality of this drug
transportation process. He may already have had possession before that.
GAUDRON J: Yes, but he may prove to the contrary, you see.
Under ll(a) or under 11, he may prove to the
contrary.
| MR SCOTT: | Indeed, and, Your Honour, one of the aspects of |
the case that was open to the defence in this case
was to have called the man who was her fiance to
say exactly that and discharge the onus - - -
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McHUGH J: That is a different charge. That is what I have
some trouble with. How can you say there was no miscarriage of justice because you say, "Well, she
could have been convicted of another offence if
they had charged her"? She has never been tried
for this offence.
| MR SCOTT: | No, indeed. | What His Honour Mr Justice Wallace |
was saying was that, although the case was never
left to the jury on that basis - and it was not,
and it was never the Crown's case - however you
view the way in which the defence case was being put, this applicant could be found guilty of the offence by virtue of being an aider on the way in
which the case was presented. That is what
His Honour was saying.
GAUDRON J: Well, where did he say "must have been"? It
does not matter. Where is the provision with
respect to aiding?
MR SCOTT: In the Criminal Code, Your Honour? It is in the
Criminal Code under section 7. Your Honours will
see that reads:
When an offence is committed, each of the
following persons is deemed to have taken part
in committing the offence and to be guilty of
the offence, and may be charged with actually
committing it, that is to say .....
(b) Every person who does or omits to do any act for the purpose of enabling or aiding
another person to commit the offence;
and:
(c) Every person who aids another person in
committing the offence.
GAUDRON J: Yes. Now, on this view, the applicant aided the
husband to obtain possession and to keep it in his possession.
MR SCOTT: Yes.
| GAUDRON J: | And I take it there is a defence of possession |
simpliciter?
MR SCOTT: Yes, there is, Your Honour, under section 7 of
the Misuse of Drugs Act.
GAUDRON J: But the offence of which the applicant was
convicted was deemed supply, was it not?
MR SCOTT: Indeed, Your Honour.
| Davis | 25 | 22/10/91 |
GAUDRON J: Well, I still do not see why the deeming
operates when it is by combination of section 7 of
the Code when it is open to the other person to
establish that he did not have it in possession for
sale or supply.
| MR SCOTT: | I suppose, Your Honour, I can put my submission |
no higher than to say - two aspects. Firstly, of
course, we are dealing with a point which was a no
miscarriage point, but dealing more specifically
with the point that Your Honour puts to me, our
submission is, of course, that that shifts the onus
of proof even on the aider. Once she has knowledgeof the quantity, as was the case here - she saw it
loaded into the car - and that it exceeds the
trafficable amount, then that is sufficient for the
deeming provision to come into operation to shift
the onus of proof if she wishes to say that so far
as she was concerned this was not to be
trafficable.
GAUDRON J: Yes. Now, could I ask you another question?
What authority says that aiding is brought into
operation with respect to the Misuse of Drugs Act?
| MR SCOTT: | Your Honour, it arises, in our submission, because of section 36 of the Criminal Code, and the |
| which - - - | |
GAUDRON J: | I mean, it has been held somewhere, has it, that this is not a code, an entire code in itself, that |
| the Misuse of Drugs Act can be added to by | |
| operation of the Code, because I know in some | |
| States similar legislation has, I think, been held to be a code in itself. | |
| MR SCOTT: | Your Honour, I am not aware - and, Your Honour, I |
will make it clear, I have not researched the point
for the purpose of these proceedings because that
issue has never been raised in that way in the grounds of appeal, so I am speaking without the
advantage of doing the research that I would do to
give Your Honours an authoritative reply to that.
But so far as I am aware, in our Court of Criminal
Appeal there has never been a suggestion that the
Misuse of Drugs Act was a complete codification
because it does not contain, for example, the
defences that are contained within the criminal
responsibility section of the Criminal Code, which
apply to all statutory offences in Western
Australia. So I am not aware of any judgment of this Court which would suggest that the Misuse of
Drugs Act is a complete codification and, indeed,
we would resist such a proposition because within
Western Australia the whole concept of our
statutory criminal law is based around the
| Davis | 26 | 22/10/91 |
proposition that it engrafts onto it by virtue of
sections 36 of the Code certain provisions of the
Code in relation to criminal responsibility.
TOOHEY J: But section 36 does not help you, does it,
because all that does is apply Chapter V to other
offences. The question was directed at the parties to an offence in section 7.
| MR SCOTT: | Yes, that was picked up - and again, Your Honour, |
I am speaking without research - but I think it was
picked up in the earlier WA case of Brennan v
Williams, and I can provide Your Honours with
authority for that, if you wish - I do not have it
with me - which said that parties to offences in
sections 7 and 8 were also provisions which applied
generally to the statute law of Western Australia.
Brennan v Williams springs to mind as the name of
the case, Your Honour, but it is a point that would
require some research.
| TOOHEY J: | And if that be the case, would it be by virtue of |
section 36 - - -
| MR SCOTT: | No. |
| TOOHEY J: | - - - or some other provision? |
| MR SCOTT: | Yes, because it is a criminal responsibility area |
and as to parties But I really raise that
argument, and perhaps it was a digression which was
unnecessary, because it arose over the no
miscarriage of justice point, and it arises only
because one of three judges saw the case in that
light. His Honour the Chief Justice did not see it
in that way at all, and that was not the basis upon
which he put his "no miscarriage of justice".
Mr Justice Pidgeon held that the summing up
was adequate. The Chief Justice in his reasons for but held that there was no miscarriage of justice judgment held that the summing up was wrong in law in any event, the Chief Justice's reasons for that being different from the judgment of His Honour Mr Justice Wallace in that the Chief Justice - his judgment is at page 104, and I take Your Honours to line 18: In my opinion the evidence against the
appellant in this case was sufficiently strong
to make it inevitable that the result of the
trial would have been the same had there been
no blemish at the trial and had the jury been
properly directed. The matter does not end
there, however, because there is a question
whether the error in the conduct of the trial
was fundamental.
| Davis | 27 | 22/10/91 |
And then referring to those authorities.
| GAUDRON J: | Does that mean, in effect, that there was no |
conclusion open other than that the applicant and
her would-be husband were engaged in a joint
enterprise?
| MR SCOTT: | Yes. | As His Honour the Chief Justice says, at |
page 105 of the appeal book, absent the:
question of duress or anything of that
nature -
we would say that is the conclusion to which one
comes.
In other words, if there is no suggestion that
she was compelled to take the steps which she did
in relation to the cannabis, in other words that it
was a voluntary act within the meaning of the
criminal law, absent that, we would say that is the
position. And that is, indeed, the reasoning that His Honour the Chief Justice uses at page 105 of
the appeal book on his conclusion as to why thereis no miscarriage of justice which is, of course, a
different reason to that used by His Honour Mr
Justice Wallace.If it please Your Honours, I have provided
copies of the submissions, both on the special
leave aspect and on the appeal itself, but they are
my submissions in relation to what appears to be
the critical issues arising in this case.
DEANE J: Thank you, Mr Scott. Yes, Mr Harris.
MR HARRIS: Sir, the case of Buck, with which I have
provided you, deals with the case of drugs in a
body - and that is my case number 23 - and the
court there disagreed with my learned friend.
Although section 7 of the Criminal Code deems
an aider to commit an offence, it does not deem an
aider to be in possession, and I would submit that,
as she is not deemed to be in possession, then
section 11 of the Misuse of Drugs Act would not
arise.
Finally, I did make available the case of
Searle, and that is my case number 12.
| GAUDRON J: | Can we go back, Mr Harris, to your other point |
about section 7 of the Code? You say it does not deem them to be in possession, it deems them to
commit an offence, but why would not the offence
deemed to have been committed be that with which
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your client was convicted, as suggested by
Mr Scott?
MR HARRIS: | I am submitting that it is too big a jump. Because you are deemed to have committed an offence |
GAUDRON J: Yes, but why do you not deem it to be that
offence?
MR HARRIS: | It would be deemed to have committed the offence of possession. |
GAUDRON J: Yes, possession with intent to supply.
MR HARRIS: Yes.
GAUDRON J: Well, why are you not deemed to have committed
the offence of supply by reason of the deeming
provisions in the Misuse of Drugs Act?
| MR HARRIS: | The submission is, because you are deemed to |
have committed the offence, it does not mean that
you are deemed to be in possession and until you
are in possession, then section 11 would not arise.
GAUDRON J: Yes, that is one way of looking at it. The
other way is to say the offence of which you are deemed to be guilty by section 70 is the offence
which you aided, namely, deemed supply or supply by
virtue of the deeming provisions of the Misuse of
Drugs Act.
MR HARRIS: There is a possibility of that, but I think you
have lost me there. Searle and Others, I was
referring to you:
mere knowledge of the presence of a forbidden article in the hands of a confederate was not
enough: joint possession had to be
established.
And then he gives the sort of direction that should
have been given, common enterprise, and really
those sort of directions were not given in that
case.
GAUDRON J: Well, if we go back to it, one answer might be,
to my question, that section 7 operates with
respect to an offence actually committed and not
one deemed to have been committed.
MR HARRIS: Exactly, because it says:
When an offence is committed.
GAUDRON J: Yes. Thank you.
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| MR HARRIS: | Thank you. | Your Honour has answered it. |
DEANE J: Thank you, Mr Harris. The Court will take a short
adjournment to consider the course we will take in
this matter.
AT 2.54 PM SHORT ADJOURNMENT
UPON RESUMING AT 3.01 PM:
| DEANE J: | The Court will consider its decision in this case. |
AT 3.02 PM THE MATTER WAS ADJOURNED SINE DIE
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Key Legal Topics
Areas of Law
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Criminal Law
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Evidence
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Appeal
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Charge
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Intention
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Sentencing
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