Apostolides v The Queen

Case

[1990] HCATrans 48

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IN THE HIGH COURT OF AUSTRALIA

Office of the Registry

Melbourne No M38 of 1989

B e t w e e n -

NICHOLAS JOHN APOSTOLIDES

Applicant

and

THE QUEEN

Respondent

Application for special
leave to appeal

MASON CJ DAWSON J

TOOHEY J

GAUDRON J

Apostol ides

McHUGH J

TRANSCRIPT OF PROCEEDINGS

AT HOBART ON WEDNESDAY, 14 MARCH 1990, AT 11.59 AM

Copyright in the High Court of Australia

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MR D. GRACE: If the Court pleases, I appear on behalf of

the applicant. (instructed by Grace & MacGregor)

MR L. FLANAGAN, QC: May it please the Court, I appear

with my learned friend, MR G. SILBERT, on behalf

of the respondent. (instructed by the Solicitor

to the Director of Public Prosecutions)

MASON CJ:  Yes, Mr Grace.
MR GRACE: 
Thank you, Your Honour.  Your Honours should

have before each of you an outline of submissions

on behalf of the applicant together with a folder

of materials containing the authorities and

legislation that will be referred to in the course

of the application.

MASON CJ:  Yes, we have that.
MR GRACE:  The history of the matter is that - - -
MASON CJ:  You can take it that we are familiar with the

history of the matter and that we have read the

judgments in the Court of Criminal Appeal.

MR GRACE: If the Court pleases.

McHUGH J:  Could you just tell me, what happened to the

sentence on count 5, the 12 man ths' sentence?

It does not seem to have been dealt with in the

wrap up by the Court of Criminal Appeal. If

you go to page 184:

count 5, twelve months' imprisonment -

and then -

sentences on counts 1, 2 and 7 be served

cumulatively upon each other and cumulatively

upon the sentence imposed on count 3 making

an aggregate head sentence of three years

and nine months -

well, what happened to count 5, is that - - -?

MR GRACE:  There is a provision in the PENALTY AND SENTENCES

ACT 1985 of Victoria, section 15, which deems

to be consurrent every sentence of imprisonment

imposed unless there is an order for cumulation

made. That is why there was no order for concurrency
made in respect of count 5.

Your Honours, this application raises for

consideration the following issues: firstly,

the meaning of the word "occupied" within

section 5 of the DRUGS, POISONS AND CONTROLLED

SUBSTANCES ACT. And if I could turn to that
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specific section and read it to the Court. It
reads as follows:

Without restricting the meaning of

the word "possession", any substance shall
be deemed for the purposes of this Act to
be in the possession of a person so long

as it is upon any land or premises occupied

by him or is used, enjoyed or controlled
by him in any place whatsoever, unless the

person satisfies the court to the contrary.

The effect of that section is to reverse the

burden of proof, once occupation or use, enjoyment

or control is established and provides, in those

circumstances, for a conviction to be allowed

to stand in the absence of mens rea, the absence

of knowledge of possession or existence of the

substance.

The second aspect which is set out in the

outline that it is requested this Court give

consideration .to is this: the necessity or otherwise

for a trial judge to define and explain to a

jury the meaning of the word "occupied" in

circumstances where, one, the allegation that the

application occupied the premises or part of

the premises was disputed; two, it was a crucial

issue in the trial because if proved beyond

reasonable doubt it brought into operation the

deeming provision contained in section 5; and,

three, without guidance and direction members

of the jury may have applied different meanings

to the word "occupied".

Amplification of those three matters may be found by reference to specific pages in the

transcript. Firstly, at page 21 of the application

book, approximately two-thirds of the way down

the page, the policeman Dole is being cross-examined

by counsel for the applicant and these questions

and answers were given:

Yes, all right. Now, you say that initially

in the conversation there was reference

to where are you living, and what he said,

among other things, was "My address is

19 Parker Street, Footscray"; is that right?

You can refer to your notes?---What he said was, "Here at the moment - - -

Would you just answer my question?---Yes.

He said, among other things, "My address

is 19 Parker Street, Footscray," Correct?

---Yes, that's correct.

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Put it down now. You can listen to what

I'm asking you. All right. Now, you say

he also said, "Here at the moment"?---Yes.

At the same time as giving some other

address; is that right?---Yes, that's correct.

And then, the second question on page 22:

Surely, as an experienced detective on a

drug raid, he was something left right up

in the air, "Where are you living?" "Here,

at the moment, but my address is 19 Parker

Street, Footscray." Now, didn't that perhaps

prompt you to say, well, where do you live,

if you're giving another address?---No,

not at the time.

Not at the time?---No.

Well, did you go to 19 Parker Street,

Footscray?---No, I didn't.

And you've told the truth when you tell

the gentlemen and ladies of the jury that

he said, .qu:i:te spontaneously, "Here at the

moment. My address is 19 Parker Street",

Parker Street, Footscray; correct?---Yes,

that's correct.

Well, did it perhaps occur to you to say,

well, what do you mean, "Here at the moment",

coming here for a cup of tea, or here for

a week, or here for a day or here for a
month? Did it occur to you to perhaps ask

him what he meant?---No, not really, I just

took it in the context of his answer to

my question, where I said to him, "And where

are you living?" and he said, "Here at

the moment. My address is 19 Parker Street,

Footscray."
at the moment wasn't 19 Parker Street,
Footscray, was it?---No, it wasn't.
No, it was North Road, Newport?---Yes, that's
correct.
Well, I ask you, Detective, as an experienced
detective, why didn't you ask for an
explanation of the inconsistency?---Well,
I didn't - it didn't seem pertinent at the
time.

Well, that's inconsistent, isn't it? Here

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No, thank you. Well, did you think it

pertinent to ask what he meant by "here

at the moment", or did you not th ink it

pertinent?---Well, I have gone into it further

in my conversation after I've cautioned

him.

And then, later down that page; His Honour asked the question - that is on page 23:

Yes. What did you want to say, Mr Dole?---

Well, I've said to him, "Which room are

you staying in at the moment?" and he said, "The one down the back." and then I've asked

him further, "Are there any drugs in that

room?" and he said, "Just a bit of marijuana
which is for my own personal use. I have

a smoke now and then." So I look at that

as questioning him further as to his answer,

"Here at the moment."

Mr Brustman then asks:

I see. And do you say that anything you

have just read out indicates whether he's

staying there for a minute, an hour, a week-

end, or a month, or not?---Well, it indicated

to me that he was staying there. That he

was living there.

Living there?---Yes.

It's all of a sudden become "living there",

has it?---That's the opinion that I formed.

At page 53 of the application book, the policeman

McClure is cross-examined as to the persons who

~·.ere living at the premises or rather who were

present at the house at the time of the police

raid and half-way down the page he is asked this:
Just before I go back to that. There were

four people in that house; is that right?---

There were.

One was Mr Despott; is that right?---That

is correct.

One was Mr Robinson?---That is correct. One was Mr Harrison?---That is correct. One was Mr Apostolides?---That is correct.

Was Mr Harrison questioned?---Not by myself,

no.

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By anyone else?---I believe he was spoken

to, yes.

He was found in the same room as all the

others; is that right?---That is correct.

You say with all these paraphernalia of

drugs?---That is correct.

I take it his name and his address and details

of him were taken?---I believe they were.

And then, questions were asked on page 54 as

to the questioning made by McClure of the

co-accused Despott and Despott, as the Court

will be directed to later, gave evidence on behalf

of the prosecution against the applicant. And in the course of Despott's record of interview

he gave these answers in respect of questions

asked of him. The last line of page 53 of the

application book:

Did you formally ask Mr Despott this: "Are

the premises rented?" "Yes". "Whose name

was the house rented in?" "Mine"?---Yes.

Did you ask him this:  "Who lives with you"?---
I did, yes. 

Was his answer: "Laurie Robinson and my

girlfriend, but she is in hospital with

cancer"?---That was the reply.

Did you ask him: "Who else was at your

house earlier when police attended7'and

did he say "Nick and Mitch"?---That is correct.

Did you ask him, "Is it correct that Mitch

was sent home by the police?" "Yes"?---

Yes, that is correct.
Did you then ask him:  "What is Nick's last
name?" and did he say, "I don't know"?---
That is the reply he gave.
That is what he said; right?---That is the
reply he gave, yes.
"How long have you known Nick for?" "Four
weeks"; is that r ight---That' s correct.
Did you say, "How often do you see Nick?"
"Not very often"?---That's correct.

Now, Despott recanted on those answers in the

course of his evidence later in the trial. He
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said that what he told the police was not true; that

he had lied to the police. And I will draw the

Court's attention to those passages shortly.

At page 60 of the application book there

is cross-examination of the policewoman Eastaugh.

At page 61 there are questions asked of the man

called Mitchel Francis Harrison. He W:?.S the

man who was present in the lounge room at the

time of the police raid. He was the man who

had been observed coming into the premises a
few minutes prior to the police raid in company

with Apostolides, the applicant, and he was asked

questions by Eastaugh at the scene. And, in

cross-examination, the fifth question on page 61

of the application book:

But you certainly asked him and you got

an address of the fourth person there?---Yes.

You asked him, "Why are you here"?---I am

visiting.

Or something like that?---That is correct.

When you came into this house there was

the paraphernalia of drugs in the lounge

room; is that right?---Yes, there was.

It is fair to say that all four persons, including this Harrison, whose address and

name you got, were in that room?---They

were, yes.

Do you recall what Harrison was doing, or

don't you remember?---Harrison arrived there

about three or four minutes before we entered

the pr~mises. We saw him arrive.

Did you see fit to question him any further

about why he was coming there?---We had

a short discussion on it and then he was - - -?

Told to go?---That is correct.

At page 62 there are questions about who identified whose room as whose and at the sixth line:

Mr Robinson apparently was using - - -?---

He lived in the lounge room.

MR BRUSTMAN: Just before this witness goes,

Your Honour, I understand my client wants

to ask something.

And then there is a break whilst the instructing

solicitor approaches the dock. His Honour then
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steps in and asks, in my submission, some very
telling questions. His Honour says this:

Y6u say Mr,Despott said he was in the centre

room?---That's correct, sir.

Mr Robinson apparently occupied the lounge

room?---Yes, he did.

Where did Mr Apostolides say he was?---In the rear bedroom.

These quest ions were asked in the presence of

the jury. I will just repeat that:

Mr Robinson apparently occupied the lounge

room?

The learned trial judge is using the word "occupied" to describe Mr Robinson's presence in the lounge

room.

At page 163 of the application book there

is a schedule of location of drugs which schedule

was prepared for the purposes 0f the arguments

before the Court of Criminal Appeal which indicates

the location of the drugs at the premises, the

amounts and whereabouts in each particular room.

Count 1, it will be remembered, was subject to

a plea of guilty on the part of the applicant, ,

as was count 2. Count 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 and 8 related

to trafficking and possession respectively a

the heroin, methylamphetamine and tetrahydrocannabinol.

The heroin and methylamphetamine were found

in various locations in the lounge room. There was also heroin found in traces in the kitchen.

The lounge room was the place where police found

all four persons upon entry into the house.

It was a place where Robinson slept. It was

a place where Despott was in a half-dazed condition

as a result of heroin abuse, lying on the couch

at the time that police arrived. A syringe was

found in the bathroom, indicating a recent use

of heroin which Despott later admitted as being

his use and heroin was found sitting on the floor

in front of him.

He pleaded guilg to possession of heroin

and was subsequently sentenced by the court and

that occurred two weeks prior to Apostolides's
trial.

At page 68 of the application book, Despott having been called by the Crown, begins his evidence

and he explains at pages 68 to 70 the circumstances

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by which he came to be living at that particular

address. At the bottom of page 68:

You were looking for accommodation with your girlfriend; is that so?---Yes.

At about October of '86, did you know

Mr Apostolides?---I knew of him, yes.

At page 69:

Did you have any conversations with him

concerning accommodation?---Yes, I did.

And then, another question down:

I am interested in conversations that you

had with Mr Apostolides?---Right. Well,

we went to have a look at a flat in Williamstown

and Nick and Laurie and these two friends

of my girlfriend's were already living in

the flat.

You indicated a person by the name of Laurie.

Do you know that man's surname?---Robinson.

They were living in a flat; is that so?---Right.

Yes.

Did you have any conversation about seeking

accommodation with Mr Apostolides?---Yes,

when were were at the flat.

Was there any agreement between yourself

and him as to what was _going to happen

about your accommodation?---Yes, there was.

What agreement was that?---That as Laurie

was going to need somewhere to live as well,

we agreed that if I got a house, my girlfriend

and I got a place to stay, that Nick would

pay the bond and the first month's rent,

and then after that the rent would be worked

out between Laurie and I. And as Nick had

business with cars between New South Wales

and Victoria, whenever he was in Melbourne,

he would be staying at our place.

In the months leading up to the time of

this conversation; did you have a problem

with the drug heroin?---I certainly did.

Did you make that fact known to Mr Apostolides?

---Yes, I did.

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You eventually leased premises at No 57

North Road, Newport, is that so?---Yes.

That lease was for a period of six months;

is that so?---Yes.

Later down the page, about half-way down the page, the question was asked:

How long before that raid had you moved

in? That occurred on a Thursday?---On

the Monday before.

When you moved in, did you move in with

your girlfriend?---Yes, I did.

At the time that you moved in, who else
had moved in, if anybody?---Well, Laurie

had all his things there. Laurie Robinson

had already moved in and most of his belongings

and a few things that I believe belonged

to Nick, were already in the house.

And then later down the page:

Who was that occupied by? -

talking about the bedroom, the second room -

---My girlfriend and I.

Who occupied that bedroom? -

that is the other bedroom -

---At that time, Nick was in that bedroom.

Where was Mr Robinson sleeping?---On a mattress

in the front room in the lounge room. Now, at page 73, near the completion of his

examination in-chief of Despott, the second question

on that page:

During the period between the Monday and

the Thursday at the address in Newport,

how often was Mr Apostolides there?---

Practically, a fair bit of the time, actually.

Was he sleeping there?---Yes, except for

one night.

Now, it must be remembered that between the time

of the persons moving into those premises, on
the Monday, and the police raid on the evening

of the Thursday, there were only three possible

nights where persons could have slept at those

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premises. The claim by Despott was that Apostolides

had slept there two out of the three nights.

Apostolides claimed that he had slept there only

one night.

At the bottom of page 73, after Apostolides

had dispensed with the services of his counsel,

he cross-examined himself and he asked this question:

You were present at 57 North Road when the

police raided the premises?---Yes, I was.

I was there too?---Yes, you were.

Along with Mitchell, Harrison and Laurence

Robinson?---That's right.

When you were conveyed back to the police

station, you were asked questions?---Yes.

You gave answers to them questions?---Yes.

Were you asked this question: "Whose name

is the house rented in?" and your answer

was, "Mine"?---Most likely, yes.

"Who lives with you?" Your answer was
"Laurence Robinson and my girlfriend, but
she's in hospital with
cancer". Did you
answer that?---Yes.

Were you asked, "Who else was at your house

earlier when police attended?" and your

answer was, "Nick and Mitch"?---That's right.

So he is put in the category of people living

at the premises, this is when he is first asked

questions by the police as:

"Laurence Robinson and my girlfriend, but

she's in hospital with cancer".

"Who else was at your house" ..... "Nick and

Mitch" -

Mitch has been let go by the police, as they think

he is not living there, therefore he ought no'::

to be charged. And Nick is put in the same category
as Mitch.

Then you were asked, "Is it true that Mitch

was sent home by the police?" and your answer

was, "Yes"?---Yes.

and your answer is: 11 I don't know"? - - -Most You were asked, "What is Nick's last name?"
likely, yes.
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Were you asked, "How long have you known

Nick for?" and your answer was, "Four weeks"?

---Yes, it was.

Were you asked, "How often do you see Nick?" and your answer was, "Not very often"?---Yes.

Were you telling the truth then, Mr Despott?

---No, I wasn't.

You were lying then?---At that time, yes.

Now you are telling the truth?---Yes.

You expect this jury to believe that you

are telling the truth now, but you were

lying previously to the police?---Well,

when you consider how much heroin I was

using at the time, I was a pretty rattled

person as compared to now.

And then over the page, at page 75, there are

questions asked about lies and how many lies

he has told in his life. At the bottom of page 76,
the question is asked: 

You occupied these premises with my money;

is that what you are telling the court?---Yes.

Why did you put the house in your name?---

Because I was the one that took the lease

out.

At page 86, at the bottom of the page, these

questions were asked:

You are confirming that it is your place?

---Right.

The house at 57 North Road, Newport, belongs

to you?---Yes.

You are renting it?---Yes.

It is in your name. What's in it is yours, too, Mr Despott; isn't it?---No.

Not everything?---No.
Except for the bodies. My body, Robinson's body
and Mitchel Harrison's body?---Your clothing,
Laurie's clothing.

My clothes?---The stuff you had in your bag, whatever Laurie had.

Adidas bag?---Yes.
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What was in the Adidas bag?---I'm not too

sure.

You just mentioned a minute ago there was

clothes?---No, I am talking about the clothes

that were in the house.

My clothes?---Yes, you had clothes in the

house.

Where were they, Mr Despott?---In the back

room.
So you moved into the house on the Monday?---Yes.

On the Thursday evening the police came through?---Yes.

At page 90 there are questions about Robinson
and his position when the police arrived. Half-

way down the page:

They dropped the charges against Robinson;

didn't they?---Yes, they did.

There was evidence before this court that

Mr Robinson was clutching the Adidas bag

in a sleeping position when the police made

entry to the premises; do you recall

Mr Robinson clutching the Adidas bag?---

No, I don't.

There was evidence in this court that a

syringe and a State bank book in Robinson's

name was found in the back room; do you

know anything about a syringe and a bank

book?---No, I don't.

Was Mr Robinson using drugs?---Not that

I know of.

He was sharing the house with you; wasn't

he?---Yes.

At page 91, two-thirds of the way down the page,

this is a telling spot and I wish to emphasize

this aspect of the cross-examination:

ACCUSED:  So you agree the house is in your

name?---Yes, I do.

It is your house?

HIS HONOUR:  Mr Apostolides, you have gone

over that twice already .....

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ACCUSED:  You were in charge of that premises,

Mr Despott: weren't you?---Yes, I was.

And everything in it?---Everything I knew

of, yes.

Did you know there was heroin in there?---

Yes, I did.

Now, that was the evidence that had anything

to do with the issue of occupation. The trial
judge, in his charge to the jury - - -

MASON CJ: Just before you come to that, could I ask you

this question:  when was the lease entered into?
MR GRACE:  There was a lease produced to - - -
MASON CJ:  Yes, but it is not in the application book.
MR GRACE:  In fact, I think there was a lease tendered.
MASON CJ:  Yes, exhibit U, bu~ ~_t: has not b-==~n

reproduced.

MR GRACE:  Well, at page 70 of the application book there

are questions of Despott in examination in-chief.

At the top of the page:

That lease was for a period of six months;

is that so?---Yes.

From 10th October of 1986 until 10th April,

1987?---Yes, that could be right.

And then there is a document handed to the witness and he agrees that it is his signature and the

lease is - - -

MASON CJ: Y~s, ½ut it does not necessarily indicate when th'= - th'=

transcript does not indicate when the lease was

actually executed.

MR GRACE:  No. I am unable to assist the Court in that

respect except to say that it is clear that the premises were first occupied on 20 October 1986

by any of the persons involved in this case.

At page 112 of the application book, the -

perhaps before I get to that, Your Honours, at
page 93 there is discussion which proceed~d

actually from page 92 and there are some pages

omitted but the discussion was in relation to count 8 on the presentment which was a charge of trafficking in tetrahydrocannabinol. The

learned trial judge had discussions with the

learned Crown Prosecutor and, as a result of

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those discussions, the learned trial judge
determined that he would direct the jury to bring

in a verdict of not guilty in respect of count 8;

that is trafficking in tetrahydrocannabinol.

At the conclusion of that discussion,

His Honour asks this, half-way down page 93 of

the application book:

- - - if I take that away - is there anything

else you want to say in relation to how

the Crown puts it in relation to the various

drugs?

MR RYAN:  No, sir.
HIS HONOUR:  The possession and trafficking,

would you concede there are alternatives?

MR RYAN:  No doubt about that, sir, certainly,

so that on Your Honour's indication at the

moment that the Crown's left - with regards

to the THC - with the possession of the

THC, and when we come to alternates in terms

of possession, the Crown would be relying upon the deeming provision in section 5,

that the Crown maintains that Mr Apoltolides

was an occupant of the address, and that

he's deemed to be in possession of the item,

but in any event, he says that the items

that were found - the police evidence is
that the items that were found in that rear

bedroom were identified by him as his, as

I understand the state of the evidence at the moment, so that in any event, there's an admission as to his possession of it

without even going to section 5, but quite

clearly on the evidence, there is evidence

to show that Mr Apostolides is an occupier

of that residence.
HIS HONOUR:  Yes.
MR RYAN:  So that he would then be deemed

to be in possession of the THC.

HIS HONOUR:  Yes.
MR RYAN:  I had intended to go to the jury

on this basis, for the purposes of each

of the material, that the Crown really isn't

looking for the jury to be directing their

minds to the possession because what we

say is that it is quite clearly trafficking

in all the circumstances of it, but in relation

to the THC there is a difficulty, because

it does sit out to one side.

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And then, over the page, on page 95, Mr Ryan

continuing:

I had not particularly wanted to delve into

the provisions of s. 5 of the Act, but with

what Your Honour has indicated and what

I had anticipated was that I was going to

the jury on the basis, he has admitted to
it in any event, but even if he had not
the provision of s. 5 is there to deem him

to be in possession.

Mow, he is talking about the THC there and it

will be seen later that - in fact, he did not

at any time admit that the THC was in his possession

with his knowledge.

In the judgment of the Full Court, His Honour

Mr Justice Crockett clearly indicated, at page 170

of the application book, tha::

The question of occupancy was of some

importance, as the Crown had put its case

of possession of the drugs of dependence

by reliance upon s. 5 of the Act.

So it was clear that the Crown relied upon the

deeming provision to prove possession. Those

were the counts that the jury ultimately convicted
the applicant upon, finding him not guilty of
the trafficking charges that were before it and
the learned trial judge, as will be seen, did
not direct the jury at any stage whatsoever as
to the meaning of the word "occupied", as to

the requirement that they must be satisfied beyond

reasonable doubt as to the existence of

occupation or that he occupied the premises before

the deeming provision could come into operation.

TOOHEY·J:  Mr Grace, when Justice Crockett says on page 170
that:

the Crown had put its case of possession .....

by reliance upon s. 5 -

do you say that the Crown relied solely upon

section 5?

MR GRACE:  Yes.
TOOHEY J:  But not upon some general notion of possession?
MR GRACE:  I say they relied solely on section 5. There

was no evidence of knowledge.

TOOHEY J:  Of?
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MR GRACE:  Knowledge on the part of the applicant. There

was no evidence of mens rea; there was no evidence

that he had the actual physical possession of

any of these items found on the premises.

TOOHEY J: Section 5 offers a deeming provision; it does

not attempt to define "possession" except by

the deeming provision which then_op2rat~s:

unless the person satisfies the court to

the contrary.

Presumably you satisfy the court to the contrary

by showing that although a substance was found:

upon land or premises occupied by -

the accused -

or is used, enjoyed or controlled by him - and nevertheless the substance was not in that

person's possession, whatever that term might

mean. In other words, the Act operates in two
ways: one, by its deeming provision; otherwise,

by leaving the meaning of "possession" completely

at large in the sense that it is undefined.

MR GRACE:  Yes, that is the case, Your Honour.
TOOHEY J:  In any event, the way you are putting your argument

is that we need not be concerned with the meaning

of "possession" except in relation to the deeming

provision.

MR GRACE:  Yes, and it must be remembered too, Your Honours,

that the word "occupied" is not one of the elements

that has to be proved to prove possession. Once

the word "occupied" or the fact of occupation

is proved beyond reasonable doubt then possession

is deemed, with or without knowledge or with

or without any mens rea on the part of the occupier.

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TOOHEY J:  Well, unless the person charged satisfies the

court, nevertheless, that he was not in possession

of that substance.

MR GRACE:  At page 105 of the application book the learned

trial judge, in the second paragraph, about seven

or eight lines down from the top of the page, he

discusses the standard of proof beyond reasonable

doubt in that paragraph. He says this:

What it means is that the Crown on all the

evidence must establish to your satisfaction

the guilt of the accused beyond reasonable

doubt in respect of all the elements that go

to makeup the charges laid against him.

I will define those elements for you later on.

Well, he does define them later on at page 112 but

it is submitted that he does so in a most unsatisfactory

manner and makes no mention of any definition of the
word "occupied". At page 112 he says this:

Before we turn to possession, I direct you what the Crown rrrust prove in relation to this

count. First of all, it must prove that the

offence occurred at the place and time alleged,

namely, Newport on 23rd day of October 1986.

It is entirely a matter for you as is any

question of fact but it seems to me there is

no contest that, if this offence was committed,

it was committed at Newport and on that date.

That is what the Crown rrrust prove.

Next, the Crown must prove that the offender

was the accused man. That he had in his

possession (I will leave possession for a moment)

a drug of dependence and I direct you that heroin

is a drug of dependence as is cannabis and

hashish or TCH and that the Crown has established

as it is entitled to do under the legislation,
this element of the charge. It has done that,
by producing the Certificate of Analysis from an
analyst and a botanist. It does that by virtue
of the legislation.

Therefore, if you are satisfied that at

Newport on 23rd October 1986 Mr. Apostolides had in his possession a drug of dependence, in

respect to count 3, that is heroin, then the

Crown has established those elements to your

satisfaction beyond reasonable doubt.

That leaves for determination the word

'possession'. Of course, what I say in relation

to possession in respect of count 3 also applies

to count 5, that is possession of Methylamphetamine,

and count 7, possession of TCH or hashish.

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Possession has two elements, Mr Foreman.

First of all, it means a capacity to exercise control over the thing which is said to be possessed, in this context, of course, either heroin or amphetamine or hashish. That control may be exercised either alone or jointly with

another or with others. There must be present an

intention that the man intends to enjoy and exercise such capacity of control over that

particular drug, that is, capacity to exercise

control, either alone or jointly, and an intention

to exercise control.

By the DRUGS POISONS AND CONTROLLED SUBSTN,TCES

ACT, s.5 of it, the definition of possession has

been extended by the Parliament.

And he reads the section to the jury and goes on:

In other words, to escape the operation of s.5

of the DRUGS POISONS AND CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES ACT,

the accused must satisfy you that he was not in
possession of a drug of dependence on the balance

of probabilities.

Now, just stopping there, the learned trial judge has

made no mention of standard of proof necessary to

prove that the applicant occupied the premises.

It is not mentioned once there that the Crown must

prove, beyond reasonable doubt, before the deeming

provision comes into operation, that the applicant

occupied the premises. And then His Honour goes on to
say this: 

In default of his so doing -

that is, satisfying the reverse onus upon him

s.5 speaks with undiminished authority. He is therefore deemed to be in possession of heroin

in respect to count 3. This is the only matter

in this trial in which the accused carries any
onus of proof which, as I said, is on the balance
of probabilities, otherwise the burden of proof

is on the Crown throughout the trial to establish

the guilt of the accused beyond reasonable doubt

of all the elements of the offences charged.

Do you think that is clear, Mr.Foreman, as I have

expressed it to you?

Answer:

Yes.

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His Honour:

I see it is time when we are about to adjourn.

I will reserve it briefly to be revived in

your memories tomorrow. It is really not a

difficult concept as you analyse it.

The next day, His Honour repeats the terms of
section 5, at page 114, and at the end of the second

paragraph, he says:

In other words, he must satisfy you that he was

not in possession of a drug of dependence, and
he must satisfy you on the balance of

probabilities.

He has called no evidence at all about that

matter, so the presumption of section 5 operates.

Now, just stopping there, he is telling the jury, in

terms, that they must convict on a count of possession

without having first told them that they must be

satisfied beyond reasonable doubt as to the fact of

occupation.

DAWSON J:  But he has told them that they must be satisfied

beyond reasonable doubt on the question of possession.

That would carry back to the question of occupation,

would it not?

MR GRACE: Well, with respect, without - - -

DAWSON J: Maybe that is the question?

MR GRACE:  Yes, that is the question. And His Honour goes on:

Once you are satisfied that any substance, namely the heroin or amphetamines or hashish, was upon any land or premises occuped by

Mr Apostolides, or that any heroin, amphetamine or hashish was used or controlled or
enjoyed by him as a matter of fact, then that
section deemed him to be in possession of them.
Is that clear, Mr. Foreman?

So it is a question of whether you are

satisfied on the evidence that he was in occupation

of the land or premises at this street in Newport,
or alternatively, whether he used or controlled
or enjoyed any of those substances. Those matters

are questions of fact for determination by you.

Now, one of the complaints that was raised in the

Court of Criminal Appeal, and, indeed, is one of the grounds for appeal before the Court should special leave

be granted, is that the learned trial judge failed to

adequately direct the jury, if at all, that they had

to be satisfied beyond reasonable doubt as to occupation.

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MASON CJ:  But very early on in his directions did not the

trial judge make it plain to the jury that whenever

he used the expression "whether you are satisfied",

that that carried with it the criminal onus?

l1R GRACE:  Yes, he did. But when he was referring on page 115

to the word "satisfied", he had just previously indicated

to the jury the question of satisfaction on
a balance of probabilities at page 114, and the

complaint was that the jury may have gained the

impression that all they had to be satisfied on the evidence, in respect of occupation, was that on the balance of probabilities, he was an occunier.

There is no mention of the words "beyond reasonable doubt" on pages 114 and 115 and it must be remembered

that this was a new day, the judge was refreshing the minds

of the jury as the concept of possession and there

is no mention of the words "beyond reasonable doubt 11 •

Now, at page 127 of the application book, the

trial judge begins to outline to the jury the basis

of the prosecution and defence cases as put to the

jury and he reiterates what, obviously, the learned

Crown Prosecutor had said to the jury at pages 127

and 128. And then at page 129 he says this:

Because once you are satisfied this accused is

in occupation of the house then having regard

to what was found and where it was found and the

evidence of Despott, who only speaks of course

of heroin, but his evidence involves the accused in having a dominant say in which went on in the

house; accept that, and you will have no

hesitation in concluding that this man was in

possession of these drugs of dependence.

And at page 130 he gives the defence case outlined

to the jury some consideration and he comments that in relation to Apostolides, half-way down the page:

He says he has made no admissions at all in

this case, either of living at the house or

being concerned with any drug dealing, except

the matters he pleaded guilty to.

And then over the page, at page 131, second paragraph:

He said that there is no evidence of any

intent on his part, no evidence of any knowledge

of drugs.

At page 137 of the application book, two-thirds of the

way down the page, the jury retires to consider its

verdict. His Honour asks for any exceptions from

the learned Crown Prosecutor. Mr Ryan says:
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No, sir. Only what arises as a result of the

Foreman's question, the cormnent I would seek to

make is this:  from my experience a botanist

is not capable of identifying one lot of

cannabis as being source from another lot.

His Honour:  No, I think that is right.

Mr Ryan: That was the only comment I would make.

The only matter by way of an exception is whether or not occupation ought to be defined for the

purposes of the jury. It need not necessarily

be done, bearing in mind the facts that are

alleged by the Crown.

His Honour:  No. Did you have an application,

Mr Apostolides?

Accused: Yes, I have an exception, Your Honour.

Your Honour, I object to the application of section 5 of the 1981 DRUGS POISONS CONTROL

SUBSTANCES ACT and that it has been applied to

my circumstances of being in the premises and

being deemed in possession of the

Diacetylmorphine. Your Honour, Despott has

acknowledged trafficking in heroin; the material

Exhibits were his, in his premises and not mine. His plea of guilty to trafficking arises out of

that very possession. Your Honour, I was merely

a visitor to the premises, who had stayed there on

other occasions. The material that I've

acknowledged, the marijuana in the bag, my

connection to the heroin trafficking enterprise

is only circumstantial, and that I was visiting

Despott to sell him marijuana. Your Honour,

I was not in possession of the heroin.

At page 142, His Honour directs the jury in

relation to the meaning of the words "trafficking" and

"possession" and this is following a jury question.

At page 142, at the top of the page, the jury asks

for clarification and an explanation of the definition

of "trafficking" and,secondly, "possession".

His Honour gives a direction of trafficking in which

he is quite wrong and which he later has to correct

again. At page 143, the foreman asks the question,

half-way down the page -perhaps a third of the way

down the page, the foreman asks:

Just one question to mind. That is particularly

myself. Maybe you have answered one it will
explain the other perhaps. Does it actually mean

as far as trafficking, if a person is there?

His Honour: Sorry.

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Foreman: If a person is actually within the

premises, does it mean that he is also liable

as a trafficker?

His Honour: If the evidence satisfies the jury

that that person in those premises possesses that

drug, yes.

Foreman: Possesses, right.

And then he goes down to discuss possession and

His Honour says this:

Let us turn to possession. Here the Crown must prove in relation to it possession by

Mr Apostolides of a drug of dependence.

Normally, possession as you would understand

has two elements to it. First of all a capacity

to exercise control over the thing said to be

possessed; in this context, the heroin, the

amphetamine, the Hashish. That control may be

exercised either alone or jointly with another

person or persons. At the same time there must

be present an intention in the mind of the
particular person to exercise that capacity

to control the drugs.

That is the broad concept of possession

at the common law. Here, the Parliament by

this legislation under which Mr. Apostolides is

charged has extended that definition. And the

Parliament has said this: That possession

extends to any substance upon any land or
premises occupied by the accused or any

substance used controlled or enjoyed by the

accused in fact. That shall be deemed to be in

his possession unless he satisfies the court,

which in these proceedings means, you, the

jury, to the contrary. And he must satisfy you
dependence on the balance of probabilities. that he was not in possession of a drug of In other words, it is more probable than not that
what he says is true.
Foreman: All right.
His Honour:  Does that assist you, Mr. Foreman?
Foreman: Yes, it does.

And then some further questions were asked.

At page 145, after the jury have retired again,

His Honour asks the learned Crown Prosecutor as to

anything to be raised from what he tol.d the

jury and the learned Crown Prosecutor tells him that

what he told the jury in relation to trafficking is quite wrong and he should direct on the point as to
whether mere presence would indicate guilt of trafficking.

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At page 147, His Honour says this, half-way

down the page:

I have given a redefinition of trafficking

and I asked was that what had been required

and then Mr. Foreman asked the question, which

I misunderstood. I thought it related to

possession but on hearing the tape played back

it was to the effect that if the jury found

that a person was in a house, could that

amount to trafficking itself and I answered yes.

I answered that because I misunderstood the

question. It is no.

Foreman: It is not.

His Honour: No. Let me tell you what trafficking
is again. As distinct from possession and

mere presence in the house.

Foreman: Right.

And then he goes on to define trafficking. But if I

could go back, perhaps, to page 144 once more when

His Honour redefined possession. At no stage, at

that time, did he give any direction to the jury
as to the meaning of the word "occupied" or as to the

standard of proof they would have to be satisfied

as to the fact of the applicant occupying the premises

before they could bring the deeming provision into

operation. And that was the substance of the

learned trial judge's charge to the jury on that

concept. I have noticed the time, Your Honours,

is this a convenient time. I am happy to go on
if the Court wishes.
MASON CJ:  We might continue for a short time, Mr Grace .
MR GRACE:  At page 170 of the application book, the Court of

Criminal Appeal, and particularly His Honour

Mr Justice Crockett, considered this question of occupation,

.and half-way down the page, in a passage I have already

read to the Court:

The question of occupancy was of some

importance, as the Crown had put its case of

possession of the drugs of dependence by reliance

upon section 5 of the Act.

The section is then stated:

In this case it was said that so far as the

drugs found in his room were concerned, the room

being occupied by the applicant, those drugs

were thus deemed to be in his possession.

So far as the drugs found in the lounge room

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were concerned, it was said as that

room was occupied by the applicant jointly

with the other persons resident in the

premises, then those drugs were deemed to
be in his joint possession.

It is perfectly true that the Judge did not, in the course of his charge, explain to the jury what was involved in the use of the

word "occupied" or give any examples to the

jury of what might or might not constitute

occupancy, nor did he lay down for their

guidance any test which might be used by them

to determine.whether or not as a matter of fact
the applicant was in occupation of one or.

other or both of the rooms of the house to which

I have referred.

In my opinion, there was no necessity, in the

circumstances of the case, forthe Judge to have

given any such directions. It may be allowed there

may be cases in which some direction or

amplification of the meaning of the term is

called for. However, this, in my view, is not
one of those cases. The applicant, as I have
indicated, stood mute. He confined himself, as

had his counsel before him, to seeking to make

out what defence he could by way of cross-examination

of the Crown witnesses. From that cross-examination

it appears that the issue which was being raised

was whether or not the applicant was at the

material time a resident in the subject premises

or was merely a visitor. He was suggesting in the

course of his cross-examination that he was no

more than a visitor, but these suggestions were

rejected by the witnesses to whom they were put.

The applicant, of course, was particularly

suggesting by his cross-examination that he was

not a resident.

The manner in which the case was conducted

shows, therefore, that the dispute, if it were

a dispute, was concerned with the question as to whether the applicant was a visitor or resident,

that is to say was or was not an occupier.

And in my respectful submission, that analysis by

His Honour Mr Justice Crockett is quite incorrect.

McHUGH J:  What do you mean by that? Do mean his analysis

of the contest of the trial or his analysis of the

legal effect of the visitor resident dichotomy?

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MR GRACE:  Both, Your Honour, with respect. The question at

the trial, the dispute at the trial, was whether
the applicant occupied the premises or not. That
was the dispute fairly and squarely raised on the

material to which I have referred the Court to.

To classify the dispute as being whether he was

a visitor or a resident, in my respectful submission,

blushes over the whole gravamen of the argument.-

of the dispute. One may be an occupier, even if

a mere visitor, depending on the circumstances.

One may be an occupier, if a resident. One may not

be an occupier, even if a resident. There are

different situations that call for different

interpretations. The jury was given no - - -

McHUGH J: There was a critical question here about the

lounge room and one view was that your client was an

occupier of the rear bedroom, not a question as to

whether he could be said to be an occupier of the

lounge room.

MR GRACE:  Yes.
MASON CJ:  What do you say that the expression "occupied by" him

means in section 5?

MR GRACE:  I say that the expression means that the accused

must have some measure of control over the mischief

to which the section is designed to prevent.

That is, the mischief is, bringing on to one's

premises drugs of dependence, or knowledge of the
bringing on to one's premises of those drugs, and

having no ability and exercising no ability

to control. The question is one of control and

degree of control, as will be seen in the cases that

I will analyse, perhaps, after lunch, will

indicate that the common thread that links all the
cases that will be cited in support of the argument -

the common thread is that to be an occupier

one has to have a degree of control over the

mischief to be prevented from being brought on to

the premises.

TOOHEY J:  If that is right, and it may or may not be, then

the deeming provision has a fairly narrow operation.

It really does not much more than restate what

the law as to possession itself may say.

MR GRACE: Well, depending on the fact circumstances,

Your Honour, it may have a very wide operation.

To give one particular example that comes to mind,

imagine a boarding house where there may be 12 rooms,

where there are boarders who pay rent. There is a

corrnnon lounge room that all of them use for the

purpose of watching television. In that common

lounge room is found, as a result of a police raid,

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when all are present in the room watching television,

a quantity of drugs. The question is whether the

legislature intended that persons in that situation

to be placed in a position of having to satisfy
the court on a reverse onus that they were not in

possession.

In my submission, in that particular example,

the legislation was minded to cover situations

where the keeper of the premises, the person in

charge of the premises, the person in control of the

premises, was the person who was to be culpable

under the deeming provision. And that, in my

submission, is clear from an analysis of the early

legislation which this section derives from and the

first such Act in Australia,as far as my researches

indicate, was the OPIUM PROHIBITION ACT. Your Honours

have a copy of that, and that was passed in

1905. The parliamentary debates that surround

the passing of that Act indicate that there was

a great problem in the community, particularly within

the Chinese community, of opium dens existing and

the legislature was wanting to cut out the incidence

of opium addiction in the community, and opium

possession at that time was quite legal until the

passing of the Victorian Act of 1905. The legislature

wanted to cut that out so they attempted, by passing

this deeming provision which is contained in

section 8 of that Act, to place on the keeper of
the premises, the person in control of the premises,
the obligation of excluding from the premises the
mischief that the legislation intended to prevent.

And in my submission, that provision which has followed

through in almost identical form to today, is also

meant to cover the same situation today.

MASON CJ: Very well, we will adjourn now, Mr Grace, and we

will resume at 2.15 pm.

AT 12.53 PM LUNCHEON ADJOURNMENT
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UPON RESUMING AT 2. 16 PM:

MASON CJ: Yes, M~ Grace.

MR GRACE: If the Court pleases, the deeming provision in

section 5 has been in existence in similar form

since the passing of the OPIUM SMOKING PROHIBITION

ACT, 1905 (Victoria). However, there has

been no adequate judicial consideration of the

meaning of the word "occupied" as contained

within the section.

Contained within the folder of materials

that Your Honours have are copies of the successive

sections that appeared in the various Acts of

the Victorian Parliament since 1905 commencing

with section 8 of the OPIUM ACT which, if one

reads, is in identical form in the POISONS ACT,

1915, section 33, section 32 of the POISONS,
ACT 1928, section 33 of the POISONS ACT 1958,
section 28 of the POISONS ACT 1962, and the

only difference between those sections and the

present section 5 is that once the onus is cast

upon the accused person he is now required to

satisfy the court to the contrary; that is,

that he is not in possession whereas before

he had to satisfy the court that he had no
knowledge thereof so that there may be

situations where, although someone has knowledge,

he may not be in possession because he has not
the power, ability or means to in any way control

the drug.

The predecessor to the present section 5

being section 28 of the POISONS ACT 1962, (Victoria),

has been described as "Draconian legislation" when

existing on its own and also in combination with

sections proscribing trafficking in dru3s and an

i}lustration of that particular point is borne

out by reference to se~tion 73(2) of the DRUGS

ACT and that subsection reads as follows:

Where a person has in his possession,
without being authorized by or licensed
under this Act or the regulations to do
so, a drug of dependence in a quantity
that is not less than the traffickable
quantity applicable to that drug of
dependence, the possession of that

drug of dependence in that quantity is prima facie evidence of trafficking by

that person in that drug of dependence.

So that, although it is not the case in the case

of the applicant, because he did not have a

traffickable quantity, the combined effect of

section 5, the deeming provision, and section 73(2)

is to produce with either section standing alone

or in combination a Draconian piece of legislation

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and it has been described as such in a number of

oases decided by the Full Court of the Victorian

Supreme Court.

In the case of REG V ELEM, (1982) VR 295

at page 299, at line 11, the Full Court in a

joint judgment said this:

The combination of ss. 28 and 32 -

and 32 was .a forerunner to section 73(2) -

can thus be seen to be Draconian

legislation. They have been introduced

into the POISONS ACT in order to attempt
to deal with a particularly dangerous type

of offence and one which it is no doubt

felt demands Draconian treatment. It behoves

the courts, however, to be astute to see

that provisions of this kind are strictly

construed and fairly applied. It is contrary

to the traditional concepts of our criminal

law that a person should upon his trial

be required to answer a charge proved by
deeming provisions such as are found in

s. 28, but it is undoubtedly within the power of Parliament to reverse the onus of proof in criminal proceedings. That

is the effect of s. 28. But the deeming

provisions should be allowed no greater

operation or effect than Parliament has

expressed. The form of s. 32(5) differs from that of s. 28, but it has a similar

effect. Although it is properly described

as an evidentiary provision, it has the

effect of attaching a particular quality

to an accused's possession of a specified

drug or of requiring him to show by evidence

that his possession was not for the stated

purpose.

That statement in REG V ELEM was approved in

REG V HOLMAN, (1982) VR 471 and there His Honour

Mr Justice Lush indicated at page 474, line 30

his ~pproval of ELEM's case.

Previous decisions of the courts in relation to the words "occupied", "occupation", "occupies"

and "occupier" have meanings dependent upon the

statute under consideration and the context in

which the word is used. Some decided cases

conflict in their approach to the prob1em.

For instance, residency does not necessarily

mean one is an "occupier"; a visitor may be

an "occupier"; an "occupier" does not necessarily

have to be a resident or user of premises; transitory

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use of premises does not necessarily mean one is an

"occupier" and, if one uses as a starting point

the second edition of the Oxford English Dictionary, one can see that the words "occupation", "occupied",

"occupier", "occupying" have many different and

varied meanings.

The rating cases approach the question from a particular point of view and it is significant

to mention the SHIRE OF POOWONG AND JEETHO V

GILLEN, (1907) VLR 37, a decision of a single

judge of the Victorian Supreme Court and a

decision of the High Court in ROYAL NEWCASTLE

HOSPITAL V COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF NEWCASTLE, (1956)

CLR 495 and that case went on appeal also to the

Privy Council.

In the SHIRE OF POOWONG case, the defendant

had been living with his wife and family for six

years in a house built on Crown land. He had laid water on the land and had cultivated and

fenced it. He had not paid rent nor had it been
demanded of him. The Shire of Poowong and Jeetho

levied rates upon the land. Gillen objected to

the payment of rates because he said he was

occuping the land unlawfully. His Honour

Mr Justice Hood at page 40 of the judgment,

approximately half-way down the page, referred

to a judgment of His Honour Mr Justice Lush in

REG V ST PANCRAS ASSESSMENT COMMITTEE, (1877)

2 QB 581 at page 588 and quoted as follows:

"Occupation includes possession as its primary
element, but it also includes something

more. Legal possession does not of itself
constitute an occupation. The owner of

a vacant house is in possession, and may

maintain trespass against anyone who invades

it, but as long as he leaves it vacant

he is not rateable for it as an occupier.

If, however, he furnishes it, and keeps
it ready for habitation whenever he pleases
to go to it, he is an occupier, though
he may not reside in it one day in a year.

On the other hand, a person who, without having any title, takes actual possession of a house or piece of land, whether by leave of the owner or against his will,

is the occupier of it." It is, of course,
a question of fact in each case. If a
man is merely there for a night or two,
as in the case of a tramp sleeping in an
outhouse - he is not in occupation. But
if he is living on the land for a continuous
period of time the magistrates may properly
draw the conclusion that he is in occupation
of it.
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In COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF NEWCASTLE V ROYAL

NEWCASTLE HOSPITAL, the High Court decision,

there was bushland attached to the hospital

which was owned by the hospital. There was

an exemption in the rating Act which provided

that any land owned by a hospital or a charitable

institution would be exempt from rates. The

Council of the City of Newcastle sought to levy

rates on the bushland owned by the hospital

saying that it was not occupied by the hospital

and, therefore, ought not to be allowed to claim

the exemption. At page 500 of the judgment

in the last line, His Honour Mr Justice Williams

had this to say:

As was pointed out by Isaacs J. in KNOWLES

V NEWCASTLE CORPORATION 'occupation' is

not synonymous with mere legal possession.

It includes possession, but it also includes

something more~. His Honour referred to

the well-known passage in the judgment

of Lush J. in REG V ST PANCRAS ASSESSMENT

COMMITTEE -

which is the quote that I referred to earlier and

went on to say this:

But it must be remember that L6sh J~ was

there dealing with the meaning of rateable

occupation in England where, to be rateable,

the occupation must be beneficial, and

his Lordship was discussing what constitutes

the beneficial occupation of a house and
there is a great difference between what

constitutes the occupation of a house and

the occupation of vacant land.

When the case went on appeal to the Privy Council

Lord Denning who delivered the judgment of

Their Lordships - it is a case reported at (1959)

100 CLR 1 - at page 4, the second paragraph

half-way down the page, His Honour said this:

In these circumstances it is unnecessary for their Lordships to consider whether the

two hundred and ninety-one acres were "occupied"

by the hospital: but in view of the argument

submitted to them, their Lordships would

say a few words on it. The hospital was

undoubtedly in legal possession of the

two hundred and ninety-one·acres; for the

simole reason that, where no one else

occupation. Occupation is matter of fact

is in possession, possession follows title.

and only exists where there is sufficient

measure of control to prevent strangers

from interfering -

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I will just repeat that:

Occupation is matter of .fact and only exists

where there is sufficient measure of control

·to prevent strangers frbm interfering -

Now, that passage was referred to in the judgment

of Their Honours Justices Marks and Fullagar
in the case of the applicant but, with respect

it is submitted that Their Honours did not apply

that statement of principle of Lord Denning

to the facts of the case. At page 181, the

quotation that I have just read to the Court

contributed to Lord Denning is set out and

His Honour Mr Justice Fullagar says this,

half-way down the page:

That, I think, more accurately expresses

the notion of occupation in the section,

being a matter of factual control.

Now, it is. to.he noted that His Honour made

no reference to the argument placed before the

Court of Criminal Appeal as to the argument

that the question of occupation must be related

to the degree of control of the applicant in

relation to the premises. His Honour did not
address that issue at all.

Similarly, His Honour Mr Justice Marks

at page 182, said this - fifth line:

If the matter is one of fact, as I

believe the law states it is, then there

will be a number of considerations. However,

a person in premises without any-rights

in law could nevertheless be in "occupation"

within the meaning of a statutory provision

such as the one here under consideration.

It seems to me that once the law states
that "occupation" is a question of fact,
it is not correct to introduce a need to
prove certain legal rights, although proof
of the existence of such rights might have
very real cogency of proof of "occupation".

In my respectful submission, His Honour

Mr Justice Marks misconceived the issue. It

is not a question of rights b~t on~ of control.

So that a squatter in unlawful occupation of

a house, nevertheless may be an occupier and may

be in occupation of that particular house for

the purposes of section 5 if he exercises control

as to who comes into the house, as to what comes

into the house and has the ability to exclude
persons or substances coming into the particular

house; and the same in the SHIRE OF POOWONG case.

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It is not a question of legal rights because

Mr Gillen had no legal rights; he was in

unlawful occupation. It was a question of

control that he had over the premises. In

my submission that was the relevant telling

factor.

In the case of FOX V WARDE, (1978) VR 362,

the court there considered section 12(1)(a) of
the VAGRANCY ACT 1966 (Victoria). That section

reads as follows:

"Any person who (a) being the tenant,

lessee, or occupier, or person in charge

of any premises uses such premises or

any part thereof, or knowingly permits such

pEemises, or part thereof to be used as a

brothel, or for the purposes of habitual
prostitution, wh~ther of one woman or

more, or for soliciting, or accosting persons

therein, or thereon for the purposes of

prostitution shall be guilty of an offence."

There, a prostitute was charged with being an

occupier of a room within premises and that she

used that room for the purposes of habitual

prostitution. This was a decision of a single

judge of the Victorian Supreme Court, His Honour

Mr Justice Mcinerney. At page 366, line 25,

His Honour said this about th~ word "occupy" after

referring to a Privy Council decision and he

quoted from that decision:

''The word 'occupy' is a word of uncertain

meaning. Sometimes it denotes legal

possession in the technical sense, as when

occupation,is made the test of rateability;

and it is in the sense that it is said

in the rating cases that the occupation

of premises by a servant, if such occupation

is subservient and necessary to the service,
is the occupation of his master: RV SPURRELL,
(1865) LR 1 QB 72. At other times 'occupation'
denotes nothing more than physical presence
in a place for a substantial period of
time, as where a person is said to occupy
a seat or pew, or where a person who allows
his horses or cattle to be in a field or
to pass along a highway, is said to be
the occupier of the field or highway for
the purpose of s. 68 of the RAILWAY.-CLAUSES
ACT 1845 ..... Its precise meaning in any
particular statute or document must depend
on the purpose for which, and the context
in which, it is used."

Then, he discusses certain submissions made

by counsel and, at page 367, line 5, His Honour

says this:

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That is not to say that in proving

that the defendant is an occupier it is

not relevant to rely on the very user of

the premises by the defendant. Indeed,

user would ordinarily be one of the matters

from which a court would be asked to draw

the inference that the person concerned

was the occupier of those premises. It

is not, in my view, necessary to show the
"occupation", to use a neutral word, of

the premises by the defendant is permanent.

There can be few, if any, occupations which

are permanent in that sense. On the other

hand, a mere transitory use of premises,
as in the instances put by Mr Uren, is

not sufficient, in my view, to constitute

occupation. Use on one occasion only would

not normally, I suppose, be sufficient

in itself to demonstrate that the person

so using the premises is an occupier.

It is not, in my view, necessary to show that the occupation is a lawful occupation.

The occupation of premises by squatters on the scale that has occurred in London

in recent years has, on any view of it,

been on a number of occasions an unlawful

occupation of those premises. The

unlawfulness does not prevent the squatters
from being regarded as the occupiers of

premises, if the inference can otherwise

be drawn that they are occupiers.

Again, it is not essential that the occupation be exclusive of others. It

is clear that there may be cases - such

cases are to be found in the books - where

the occupation has been an occupation along
with other people. Repeated use of the

premises and localization of the premises

used may go a long way towards showing

that the defendant is the occupier of those
premises.

His Honour then goes to consider the concept

of "occupier" used in a related provision of

the Act and he refers to SYLVESTER's case and

I will be referring to SYLVESTER's case shortly.

At line 49, His Honour said this:

In the present case the only evidence

showing any capacity in the applicant to

exclude other people from the room of

which she is alleged to have been the occupier

is her answer when asked whether she had

the power to exclude others during the

massage, that she was required to. "Do

you lock the door of the massage room when

you are massaging a customer?" "Yes,

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v.e ~ to." I do not read that answer as

indicating that she had the kind of control

of the premises requisite to establish

that she was an occupier within the meaning

of s. 12(1)(a).

So, it is that word "control" that finds its

way into the judgment and, in my submission,

that is the principle that guides courts in

the interpretation of who is an occupier.

In SYLVESTER V HODDER, (1976) VR 733,

which was a case also on the same VAGRANCY ACT,

Hodder was charged with being:

An occupier of a house, to wit, a room

at 94 Grattan Street -

Carlton -

which was frequented by thieves or persons

with no visible lawful means of support.

He was the lodger in one of those rooms at the

premises which he used as a dwelling. At page 734,

of the judgment of His Honour Mr Justice Sholl,

the last paragraph on that page, His Honour said

this:

With regard first to the meaning of

the word "occupier" in sec. 69(3) -

which now corresponds with section 6 of the VAGRANCY

ACT -

there is a decision of the Full Court which

binds me, and in which it was long ago

quite clearly laid down that the word is

not used in the sense of "tenant" or "lessee",

but in the sense merely of "keeper". In

RV SAYERS (1867), 4 WW & A'B (L) 46, a

Full Court, comprising Stawell CJ, Barry J.

and Eyre Williams J., had before it a case

stated by General Sessions on an appeal

from the decisions of a police magistrate,

who had convicted each of the defendants

(husband and wife) separately of being "the occupier of a house frequented by reputed thieves or persons having no visible

lawful means of support". The defendants

occupied a house proved to have been frequented

by prostitutes, and the male defendant

was the holder of a beer licence for the

premises. It was argued for the wife that

she could not have been an "occupier" at

the same time as her husband. At p. 47
the Court said: 
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As to the objection that the wife was not

an "occupier" with her husband, this statute .....

did not use the word in the same sense

as the English and local law relating to

municipalities; but rather in the same

sense as the word "keeper" in the English

police statutes. The wife might not be

a legal "occupant", but she might certainly

by interfering with the management assist

as a "keeper" of such a house; and as a

keeper of such a house, she would under

the English law be clearly liable.

Her conviction ..... was affirmed -

as was Hodder's.

The firearms cases adopt a similar attitude

to the legislation. YEATES V HOARE, (1981) VR 1034,

a decision of His Honour Mr Justice Kaye, is an

example of the operation of the deeming provision

in section 40 of the Victorian FIREARMS ACT.

Now, if one looks at section 40 of the

Victorian FIREARMS ACT, one will see an obvious

similarity to the deeming provision in section 5

of the DRUGS, POISONS AND CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES ACT.

Now, if I could read section 40(1) of the FIREARMS

ACT to the Court:

Any person who occupies any land or premises or that part of any premises on or in which

any firearm pistol machine gun or prohibited

weapon is found shall for the purposes

of this Act be deemed to be in possession

of that firearm pistol machine gun or prohibited

weapon unless the contrary is proved.

Now, that in terms is similar in import, in

impact, to section 5 of the DRUGS ACT and although

His Honour Mr Justice Kaye did not consider

any of the previous decisions particularly in

point on the meaning of the word "occupier", he

found in the circumstances of that case the

defendant was clearly an occupier of the premises

and that case clearly gives an example of where

the deeming provision has been used to prove

possession of firearms but, most significantly,

for the case of the applicant here today~ and I say significantly because this next decision

I will refer to was specifically qualified by

Their Honours Justices Marks and Fullagar in

their judgment in the applicant's case. It

is a decision of HALL V FOSTER, which is an

unreported decision of the Victorian Supreme

Court, of His Honour Mr Justice Hampel on

1 August 1984. Now, the facts in HALL V FOSTER
bear some elucidation. The applicant in that
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case was a member of a motorcycle club. That

motorcycle club occupied premises in Orrong Road,

Toorak. The applicant rented a room at those

premises and, in that room, when the police

raided, they found leaning against a record

player and clearly in view of any person who

looked around the room, a firearm. The

applicant maintained that the firearm was

not his and he had no knowledge of its presence.

The applicant had been absent for some days

prior to the police raid only returning shortly

before the raid. Also, evidence that the firearm
belonged to another member of the club who had

placed it in the room that day and intended to

remove it that evening was called.

The magistrate concluded that he was an

occupier of the room and deemed to be in possession.

The court considered the authorities of REG V TAO,

FOX V WARDE and YEATES V HOARE and, given that

fact situation, at page Sa, His Honour said this:

In TAO's case, a Cambridge undergraduate

who lived in a hostel owned by his college was

convicted of permitting his room to be used for

the smoking of cannabis. The relevant

English legislation made it an offence

for the occupier of premises knowingly to permit or suffer certain activities to take place on the premises. Roskill LJ.

delivered the judgment of the Court of

Criminal Appeal and said:·

'"the occupier' was to be regarded as

someone who, on the facts of the particular

case, could fairly be said to be 'in occupation'

of the premises in question, so as to have

the requisite degree of control over those

premises to exclude from them those who

might intend to carry on those forbidden

activities."

In determining the nature of the legal right to use the premises enjoyed by the

appellant, His Lordship considered that

it was an exclusive contractual licence.

His Lordship concluded:

"It was, in our view, clearly a licence

which gave him not merely a right to use

but a sufficient exclusivity of possession,

so that he could fairly be said to be 'the

occupier' of that room."

His Honour then went on to discuss FOX V WARDE,

SYLVESTER V HODDER AND REG V SAYERS and, at

page 9a, last paragraph, His Honour said this:

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In my opinion, these passages indicate

that although occupation need not be exclusive
of others, there must be some right in

the applicant to prevent unauthorised entry

by persons who are not co-occupiers.

His Honour, in deciding the case before him, considered that the applicant did not have "the kind of control of the premises requisite to establish that she was an occupier within the meaning of

s. 12 ( 1) (a)" of the VAGRANCY ACT -

and he is referring there to FOX V WARDE.

Although the provision His Honour was

considering was different from that with

which I am presently concerned, in my

opinion, the same considerations are

relevant.

And His Honour refers to a decision in YEATES V

HOARE, and concludes, on page 10a, one-third of

the way down the page:

In my opinion, these three cases

indicate that to be an occupier of premises
or part of premises within the meaning
of s. 40(1), a person must have a sufficient

degree of control over those premises or

part of them either alone or in combination

with other co-occupiers so as to have the

right or power to exclude others from entering

or bringing unauthorised articles into

the premises or part thereof. In the present

case there is no evidence that the applicant

had such rights.

In my view, the Magistrate gave the

word "occupier" too wide a meaning.

The order to review was made absolute and the

conviction was quashed.

(Continued on page 3 9)

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MR GRACE (continuing):  Now, it may be said that the facts

in HALL V FOSTER are very similar to the facts in

the applicant's case that Your Honours are dealing

with today. There, there is obviously more than one
person present. There, other people had access to

the room, whether it be the lounge room or the bedroom

at the rear. The applicant disclaimed any

knowledge of existence of the THC, the hashish,

the heroin, the amphetamine. There was no

evidence put before the court that he had any rights

of control, that is, the ability to exclude others

or substances being brought on to the premises.

McHUGH J:  But, you could infer that, could you not?

Supposing some stranger had attempted to come into the

lounge room. Why would he not have been able to
exclude him?
MR GRACE:  He may well have been able to do so, Your Honour,

but, with respect, the jury was never given the opportunity to consider that question and as to

whether an inference could be drawn from that fact
would certainly be a matter for argument before the

jury. But, by reason of His Honour's misdirection,

in my submission, or failure to direct, the jury were

never given the opportunity to even consider whether

an inference could be drawn to make this person

an occupier by reason of the measure of control in

the case of the applicant.

McHUGH J:  We would accept that the jury were told they had

to find that he was the occupier.

MR GRACE:  Yes, but they were given no direction, with

respect, as to what was connoted by- that word?

What was the connotation of the word "occupied",

I ask rhetorically?

McHUGH J:  Is that a special leave point?
MR GRACE:  Well, in my submission, it is.
McHUGH J:  Why?

MR GRACE: 

Because this is Draconian legislation. There has been no judicial consideration of this particular word,

as it is used in the DRUGS ACT in Victori~ and what
judicial consideration there has been has been

inadequate, in my submission. There is similar provisions in existence in Tasmania and Western

Australia.  The authorities on the subject are scant.
There are differences of opinion, as is evidenced by
the judgment of the Court of Criminal Appeal in this
case, as to what is the appropriate test to determine
"occupation". His Honour Mr Justice Crockett
made no mention of HALL V FOSTER.
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specifically overrule it. Every day in Victoria

Their Honours Justices Marks and Fullager said not

persons are being charged under section 5,

deeming provisions, with possession of drugs.

Houses are being raided and people are being charged.

There has been no judicial direction, whatsoever,

in Victoria, as to the meaning of the word "occupied"

and when matters come to trial, what directions

the jury should be given as to the meaning of that

word.

McHUGH J:  What about CLARKE.ANDJOHNSTONE?
MR GRACE:  CLARKEANDJOHNSTONE is an example of a case where

the trial judge did give a direction to the jury of
the meaning of the word "occupied".

CLARKEANDJOHNSTONE, in my submission, supports my

contentions totally. There, the issue was not even

as grave as it is in the applicant's case. There,

Jbhnstone - and this was a plantation case, as

Your Honours would recall - was a part owner of the

land. Johnstone arranged for the purchase; he was

involved in the management of the land on which there

was cultivated a large quantity of ~arihuana~plants

and yet the matter of occupation,which one using the

principles enunciated by the Court of Criminal Appeal

in the applicant's case, would have said it is

clearly a matter of fact as to whether Johnstone is

an occupier or not. Nevertheless, the trial judge

did direct the jury specifically on that question and

I can direct the Court to the particular passages

in question. The decision is reported at

( 1986) VR 643 and at page 650 the Court considered a

misdirection point on appeal:

His Honour the learned trial Judge

misdirected the jury as to the meaning

of the word 'occupation'.

At line 49, the Full Court said this:

In dealing with "occupation" the learned

trial Judge told the jury: "Now whether or

nor any of the accused was in occupation

of Running Creek is a question of fact for
you. Occupation in that context means more
than having the right to occupy. It requires
that the accused whose case you are

considering did actually occupy the land.

It would be sufficient if the accused

maintained a physical presence by

constantly being present. He or she could

occupy the farm by being there themselves,

or by their agents. Thus a person may occupy

land or premises even though he or she visits

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those premises only rarely, if he or she

has someone else constantly at the premises

for him:or her. Thus a man may occupy a

factory by having his employees there five

days a week. He could well be the occupier

although he only went there rarely or not

at all ... If you were satisfied beyond

reasonable doubt that the accused whose case

you are considering did in fact occupy the

farm in the sense that he or she was actually

in occupation herself or by her agent, then

this section would come into operation and

if it did it would then be for that accused to

satisfy you that he or she did not know

that the cannabis was there.

DAWSON J:  See, that only goes to show that each case depends

on its own facts, does it not? In this case, you

would say, "Well, now look, you have got to decide,

first of all, whether this was a shared house

and if it was a shared house, how many of the

facilities were actually shared and how many were

reserved exclusively for use of one or other of the

occupants". Having said that, there is not much more

you can say, is there?

Now, no doubt, in addresses, at least the

address of the Crown, this matter was dealt, was it?

MR GRACE:  Well, one would have expected that to have occurred.
DAWSON J:  Yes, maybe the judge could not add very much more.

You cannot really give a legal definition of

"occupation", can you?

MR GRACE:  No, but you can certainly guide the jury on the

meaning of the word in the context of that particular

case.

DAWSON J:  True. Very little guidance would be necessary here,
would it not, in the context of a shared house as

opposed to premises which are vicariously occupied

or where there are complications.

MR GRACE: 

Yes, well there was dispute as to the sharing aspect.

DAWSON J:  That is right, that is the question.
MR GRACE:  Yes, it is the control aspect that is vital, in

my submission, for the jury to have explained to it.

DAWSON J:  I am not sure that that is not unrealistic in

this situation. It is really a question of whether

they all used certain rooms and the other rooms were
used exclusively by certain people. That is about

as far as you can go in that situation, is it not?

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McHUGH J: 

Unless the jury came to the view that Robinson had exclusive use of the lounge room, there is almost

no way that it could be found that your client was
not in occupation, is there not?
MR GRACE:  Well, the jury would have to be satisfied beyond

reasonable doubt that he had a sufficient measure

of control to exclude others or prohibited substances from coming on to the premises.

McHUGH J:  But, he is in the house; he has got a room of his

own there - that is the lounge room, whatever that

means in this context. Once you get him in the

place, you reject his defence that he was a mere

visitor. It is almost inevitable that he was an

occupier unless Robinson had the exclusive use of the

lounge room, is it not?

MR GRACE:  I indicated before lunch a question asked by

His Honour the learned trial judge of a policeman

as to who occupied the lounge room and the answer

was, Robinson. I also pointed out the question

asked by the accused, himself, in cross-examination of Despott, "Who was in charge of the house? I was.

I controlled everything".

McHUGH J:  That would not prevent your client being an occupier

even though - - -

MR GRACE:  Well, the evidence was to the contrary, in my

submission. Although inferences could be drawn that

he may have been the occupier, there was evidence to

the contrary which was equally sustainable, in

my submission. And, moreover, as I indicated

earlier, the learned trial judge at no stage told
the jury in his directions that they had to be
satisfied beyond reasonable doubt that he occupied the

premises.

McHUGH J:  Yes, I know, but this is not the Court of
Criminal Appeal.
MR GRACE:  I appreciate that in itself is not a special leave
point. However, it has to be considered along with

the rest of the charge bearing in mind the whole
context, the whole atmosphere that the learned trial

judge created in giving his directions in that manner.

DAWSON J:  Was the matter dealt within addresses?
MR GRACE:  Well, the only gleaning one can get from the

transcript is that at one stage His Honour discussed

counsel's propositions with the jury. At page 127

he commences those observations. At page 129 at the

top of the page, His Honour paraphrasing, obviously,

what the learned Crown Prosecutor had to say, said this:

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Because once you are satisfied this accused

is in occupation of the house - - -

DAWSON J:  This is the Crown Prosecutor? He is

actually, as it were, putting his words.

MR GRACE:  One would suppose so, yes. He is paraphrasing the

Crown Prosecutor's words.

DAWSON J:  Yes.
MR GRACE:  then having reg~rd to what was found
and where it was found and the evidence of
Despott, who only speaks of course of
heroin, but his evidence involves the accused
in having a dominant say in what went on in
the house; accept that, and you will have no
hesitation in concluding that this man was
in possession of these drugs of dependence.

Now, the jury did not accept Despott's evidence.

Despott gave clear and unequivocal evidence that the

applicant was trafficking in heroin through the

agency of Despott. The jury acquitted the applicant
of trafficking in heroin. The only evidence that

he was trafficking in heroin was the evidence of

Despott. So, the other evidence that Despott gave
may or may not have been accepted by the jury. One
does not know. If they did not accept any of his

evidence then the applicant, in my respectful

submission, as a result of the learned trial judge's

charge, was not given an opportunity of acquittal by

failure to direct adequately or at all in relation

to the word "occupied".

Now, it was also put by the learned trial judge

to the jury - perhaps if I might just digress a

little bit here - that they could also use the deeming
provision if they were satisfied that the applicant

used, enjoyed or controlled any of the substances

found on the premises. There was no evidence of

use or enjoyment and the evidence of control -

particularly in relation to the heroin and the

amphetamines because the heroin was found in three

different locations. One location was on the floor

in the lounge room where it was contained in a small

plastic bag containing three foils of heroin and one

foil of amphetamine in the same bag. Another

location, on the floor near the fireplace in the

lounge room, was another foil of heroin and on scales

in the kitchen there were traces of heroin.

The basis of control of that heroin was crucial

to the issue of trafficking in that drug because
without control the applicant could never have been

convicted.

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DAWSON J:  Well, it is control of part of the premises

rather than the heroin, is it not?

MR GRACE:  No, it is control of the substance.
McHUGH J:  No, it is not, not in the first instance.
MR GRACE:  I am talking about use, enjoyment or control as

it is set out in the section.

McHUGH J:  Which section?
MR GRACE:  Section 5.
McHUGH J:  You are talking about the second limb?
MR GRACE:  Yes, the second limb because the trial judge

also went to the jury on the basis of that second

limb, use, enjoyment or control.

McHUGH J:  Yes.
MR GRACE:  It is obvious that the jury were not satisfied

that he used, enjoyed or controlled because, first

of all, there was no evidence of use or enjoyment

of the drugs, amphetamine, heroin or - - -

DAWSON J:  But, the use, enjoyment or control, unless I am

wrong, refers to the land or premises, does it not?

MR GRACE:  No, it refers to the substance, with respect,

Your Honour.

DAWSON J:  Yes, I think you are right.
TOOHEY J:  It is your argument, Mr Grace, that would import

the notion of control into the first limb although

it is not there in express terms.
MR GRACE:  Yes.
TOOHEY J:  'But is there express terms in relation to the

second limb?

MR GRACE:  That is right.

DAWSON J: 

But, when you talking about the first limb, you must be talking about control of the land or premises.

MR GRACE:  Yes, and in respect of the second limb, it is

control of the substance.

DAWSON J:  Yes, you are right.
MR GRACE:  Now, it is clear the jury, in my submission, could

not have reached the conclusion that the applicant

controlled the substance because if it had, it would

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have convicted him of trafficking because the

evidence was, of Despott, that the applicant

brought the heroin on to the premises, used Despott

as a selling agent and through that procedure made

money. The jury rejected that proposition and in

so doing, in my submission, rejected any notion of

use, enjoyment or control by the applicant of any

substances on the premises. So, therefore, the

only basis upon which the Crown could go to the

jury, as was certainly put by the Crown in their

arguments before the judge's address, the only basis

was deemed possession through occupation of the land

or premises.

In HARRIS V McKENZIE, a decision of the New

South Wales Court of Appeal, the court - - -

TOOHEY J:  Sam of these cases are a bit removed, Mr Grace,
are they not? I mean, can you tell us what use

you would seek to make of that judgment.

MR GRACE:  The use is a very limited use, I appreciate and

accept. At page 147, His Honour Justice Kirby said:

"Occupier" normally means the person who

has the immediate supervision and control

of premises.

And, at page 152, His Honour Justice Mahoney refers

to the NEWCASTLE CITY COUNCIL case and at page 153

line 4:

In the end, occupation, as a term, describes what a person is doing in relation to

particular premises. To assign a meaning to

the word is, in this sense, to determine

what that person must be seen to do or,

possibly, to be able to do in relation to

the premises. This will involve, not merely

what he may do by way of exclusion of

strangers ..... but also what he does or may

do in relation to them generally.

I appreciatethat area of law is, perhaps, getting

a little bit away as Your Honour Justice Toohey

indicated but it is the approach that I seek to

follow of these cases in relation to the interpretation

of the word "occupied" in the section. There can be

no doubt further that satisfaction of proof of the

existence of that fact must be proved beyond

reasonable doubt and that itself was confirmed by

REG V CLARKE AND JOHNSTONE.

If the Court needs any further clarification on

that particular issue, CHAMBERLAIN V REG, a

decision this Court will, no doubt, be familiar with

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also is clearly authority for the proposition that

proof of a material fact of which the word

"occupied" must be, must be proof beyond reasonable

doubt.

The case of REG V TAO, which was a case that

was referred to earlier in the judgment of

His Honour Mr Justice Hampel in HALL V FOSTER,

(1976) 3 All ER 65 - the facts, I think, have been

sufficiently outlined - at page 67f of the judgment

of the Court of Appeal, Lord Justice Roskill had

this to say:

One asks what is the mischief against which

this section is aimed. If one asks that

question, it seems to this court plain that

the object is to punish those persons who

are able to exclude from their premises

potential offenders who wish to smoke

cannabis in those premises but do not do so,

by making such persons themselves guilty of

an offence if they knowingly permit or suffer

any of the forbidden activities, those persons

being either 'the occupier' or 'concenred

in the management' of those premises. This

suggests that Parliament was intending not

that a legalistic meaning should be given

to the phrase 'the occupier' but a common

sense interpretation, that is to say 'the

occupier' was to be regarded as someone who,
on the facts of the particular case, could

fairly be said to be 'in occupation' of the

premises in question, so as to have the
requisite degree of control over those
premises to exclude from them those who
might otherwise intend to carry on those

forbidden activities I have already

indicated. That is the way in which this

court would approach the question of

construction, apart from authority.

In my submission, exactly the same statement of

principle could be applied to the interpretation

of section 5 of the DRUGS, POISONS AND CONTROLLED

SUBSTANCES ACT, Victoria . The only way of

curing possible injustices that may occur in cases

of this nature is to give the jury a clear and

unequivocal direction where "occupation" is an issue
as to how they should approach the problem of

determining whether someone occupies the premises.

The common thread that runs through all the cases on

the meaning of the word "occupier" and other

grammatical forms of that word is that in order to

be an occupier, a sufficient measure of control to

prevent mischief being brought on to the premises

must exist.

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McHUGH J:  Is that right in relation to section 5 because

it is occupation of the land or premises and

once you are found to be an occupier than you

are,prima facie, responsible for anything that is

upon that land but it does not mean that you have

got to have knowledge or the capacity to control

that, does it? I mean, it might be just put there.

MR GRACE: 

That is one of the matters you can raise in your defence, that you had no knowledge of the existence

of the substance on . the premises.
McHUGH J:  Yes, but what about the occupation itself? You

were saying that the occupier is the person who

can prevent the substance from coming on. v.Jhy do
you say that?
MR GRACE:  Because the section was aimed to proscribe the

use by persons in their homes of prohibited

substances which have deleterious effects upon

the health of the individual. The section could

not have been framed in that way, in my submission,

to cover all persons who just happened to be on

premises at the time that police happened to attend.

McHUGH J:  Well, it may be.
MR GRACE:  For instance, if I was having a dinner party and I

invited 12 guests and I was sitting in my dining

room, the police attended and on my buffet in my
dining room there was a bag containing some

prohibited substance, on one view of the word

"occupied", all persons present would be guilty of

offence under the deeming provision.

McHUGH J:  Well, they do not occupy the premises, do they?

They might occupy a seat in it, they might have some

licence to move around the room.

MR GRACE: 

In my submission, without judicial direction as to the extent of the meaning of that word, how are

courts to direct their minds as to what is covered

by the width of that expression? On one view, and I will

refer the Court to the Oxford English Dictionary,

one can occupy a pew for a very short period of time

or a lengthy period of time and not be an occupier

of premises. One can be present at a dinner party,

at my dining room table, and on one view of the

police, if they happen to raid the premises, be an

occupier of that room or that house. In my

submission, there must be a more restrict.ed meaning;

to that word and the judge must give direction

to a jury in their interpretation of that word.

It is possible, in this case of the applicant,

in the absence of the direction, that the jury members

themselves individually may have applied different

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meanings to that word. It is quite possible in

this case and it is my submission that it does give

rise to a special leave point because of the

Draconian nature of the legislation,the fact that hundreds of people are being charged every week

under this section and there is no clear

judicial - - -

McHUGH J:  It does not help you to determine whether it is

a special leave point to describe it as

Draconian. Some people might say it is a very

desirable section.

r:1R GRACE: Well, I only can refer back to what the

Full Court of the State of Victoria said in

ELEM's case - - -

McHUGH J:  Yes, I know.
r:1R GRACE:  - - - as to the strict interpretation and

application according to just principles and clear

clarification of the term and the need for

direction to jury should be mandatory where the issue

is raised.

And, furthermore, in my respectful submission,

the state of the law in Victoria is uncertain

in its application. I ask rhetorically, is it the

policy of the Act to place an evidentiary onus on

a person who lives at premises where drugs are found?

If so, why not include all persons who visit

premises,where drugs are found, as occupiers? Is it

to include my invalid infirmed grandmother of

86 years of age who lives in a back room?

TOOHEY J:  Mr Grace, you cannot expect from the Court some

sort of statement that is going to resolve all these

questions. You really have two complaints. Your

primary one, as I understand it, is that there was

complete absence of guidance to the jury and if that

is correct then, I suppose, that has to be

supplemented by some indication of what is an

appropriate direction in that case but it is going a

bit far to ask, as you appear to be asking at the

moment, for some sort of statement which can be

applied to all sorts of circumstances, however they

might arise.

r:1R GRACE:  If I did imply that, I did not mean to. I was

asking these questions rhetorically, with respect,

Your Honour. In relation to the point of failure to

direct, could I refer the Court to the unreported

decision of ALLISON V LOWE, a decision of

Mr Justice Nettlefold of the Tasmanian Supreme Court

on 11 April 1988 and page 4 of that judgment - I

would seek to adopt, respectfully, what - as a point

of my argument - His Honour Mr Justice Nettlefold had

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to say at paragraph 7. There, His Honour said this:

Parliament has not provided us with a definition of the term "occupier".

And there, I may repeat, the court was there

determining for consideration the almost identical

section in the Tasmanian legislation:

Having regard to the multiplicity of the

circumstances which may arise, probably

Parliament intended to avoid the rigidity of a fixed definition. It intended that,

at the end of the day, whether, on the facts

of a given case, the accused was an

occupier of the premises in question was to

be left to the common-sense of the jury

subject always, of course, to the overriding

duty of the presiding judge to direct the

jury whether on the evidence it was open to

them to find that the accused was the

occupier and, if it was open to them, to

direct them concerning the meaning of the

term in the Act and the rules relevant to

a correct determination in the given case.

..... Having regard to "the mischief rule",

but not overlooking that it is a penal statute,

and the consequence of that as stated above,

no doubt a presiding judge would not be

astute to restrict the jury in any instance

where the Crown case contained the necessary

essentials and a conviction was a just

and appropriate result in all the

circumstances. In any event it is probably

not possible to formulate a true definition

which will be appropriate in every case

which might arise. That reflection is a

further factor pointing to the importance of

leaving the jury role as unrestricted as is

consistent with justice to the accused and

any relevant rules of law. Certainly a

legalistic approach to the question whether

the accused was an occupier is to be avoided.

At the end of the day it will be a question of fact and degree whether, on the evidence,

the accused can fairly be said to have been

the occupier.

Now, what is inherent in that passage from

His Honour is the need in a given case and, in my submission, the applicant's case is a given case, for

a clear and unequivocal direction to the jury as to

the way it should approach the issue of the word

"occupied" and, in my respectful submission, what
His Honour Mr Justice Nettlefold had to say

supports the points that I have sought to make - - -

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DAWSON J: 

But, it does show that anything that this Court

might say about the meaning of the word "occupier"
is not likely to be of general application that

was ·not already apparent.  It is a question which
depends on its own facts;. the answer to it depends on its own
facts in this case as in most other cases.

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MR GRACE:' .The.issue perhaps that is left for this Court

to decide is whether in the circumstances of this

case it was incvrrbent. upon the learned trial judge to

give a direction to the jury in the terms complained

about and, in my submission, that issue in itself

raises a special leave point and falls within the

criteria set out in section 35A of the JUDICIARY ACT.

DAWSON J: That is what it comes down to, does it not, whether

this mere omission gives rise to a special leave

point the fact of the omission?

MR GRACE: Yes, and also, in my respectful submission, the case

falls within the criteria that Your Honour

Justice Dawson enunciated in MORRIS V REG

as to the appropriateness of a particular application

for the grant of special leave. As I indicated

earlier this matter is of great public importance

bo the administration of criminal justice in Victoria,

because of the prevalence of drug offences in the

connnunity; because of the fact that drug use and abuse

is rife in the connnunity and the legislature has seen

fit to reverse the traditional onus of proof in this

particular section and,in my respectful submission,

the need for this Court to resolve differences of

opinion and also to give clear direction and guidance

as to the need for trial judges in these circumstances,

to give direction on the point is, in my respectful

submission, a matter worthy of a grant of special leave.

If the Court pleases.

MASON CJ: Thank you, Mr Grace. Yes, Mr Flanagan.

MR FLANAGAN:  May it please the Court. If the Court pleases,

in our submission, in the circumstances·· of the applicant's

case no direction as to the meaning of "occupied"was

required by the trial judge in the instant case. We

point out immediately, Your Honoura,that this decision

of the Full Court cannot be interpreted as saying

that there can be no case in which a direction of the
type sought . must be given. The court is allowing for

the fact that there may becases in which some direction or amplification of the meaning of the word "occupants" or "occupancy" - - -

MASON CJ: Well ordinarily you would expect the trial judge to

give some assistance, would you not?

McHUGH J: This may not be a special leave case, but I would

have thought this point was almost hopeless. This

point you are running at the moment. Surely this was

a case where the trial judge should have given some
direction having regard to the evidence as to who was

occupying,~ who was in what room and what substance

was where.

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MR FLANAGAN:  We would have submitted, Your Honour, that

probably the real question in the case, leaving
aside the special leave point for the moment, was

whether the jury were left without any or any

sufficient guidance on the matter and we would

merely meet that, if I am going to get to that point,

be saying, "Well, what extra could the judge have

done in the particular circumstances?", and in that

context - - -

TOOHEY J: Well perhaps the first question is, what did the

judge do?

MASON CJ:  What guidance did he give?

TOOHEY J: Before you start looking for the extra guidance,

what guidance was offered to the jury at all?

MR FLANAGAN:  Well, he told them what the onus of proof was,

to start with,Your Honour, and he gave them a

definition of "possession" and it was in the usual

common law, the appropriate terms.
MASON CJ:  But what about occupation? That was the critical

matter.

MR FLANAGAN:  I do not know that the choice of the word

"critical" is perhaps the proper expression, with

respect,Your Honour. My learned friend has conceded that this matter went to the jury, not purely on the basis of the occupation of the premises by the accused,

but also on the basis of the fact that the substances

which were found there were - it was open to them to

conclude that they were'used, enjoyed or controlled in
any place whatsoever. "

McHUGH J:  But since there was a verdict for the accused on

the trafficking counts ,it is not very likely that

the jury convicted him on that meaning of the

definition, is it?

MR FLANAGAN: Well that is speculation, Your Honou~ with respect,

but the fact that they did acquit him on the trafficking

counts seems to indicate that at least they took

careful notice of the judge's directions and they have

obviously analysed the matter and the Court will see

that they were out for some time, that they came back

and they specifically asked questions on at least two

occasions as to the meaning of "possession", and

His Honour gave them the proper definition. Now if

my friend is right-and I am leaving the special leave

point alone for the moment- in saying, "Well look, the

judge should have told them that some element of

control is essential to amount to occupancy,th~t the

accused had some element of control~, well in fact

what he said to them in terms of the ordinary common law definition covers the element of control, in any event, in our submission.

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McHUGH J: ~ut what the trial judge said was almost misleading

having regard to the issues. Surely in the context

of this case there were two separate questions:

whether he occupied the rear room and whether he

occupied thelounge room? But the trial judge at 115
said to them: 

it is a question of whether you are satisfied

on the evidence that he was in occupation of

the land or premises at this street in Newport -

and so on. It was not much guidance to them. It

was apt to mislead them.

MR FLANAGAN:  We would submit that it would not mislead them,

Your Honour, but I suppose we have to concede that

it does not give any great guidance in the particular

circumstances of the case, but the real question is:

does the particular circumstances of this case call

for that particular guidance? And what we are saying,

I suppose,Jour Honours, to the Court is this, that

as my learned friend says, sections similar to this
have been in use in Victoria since 1905 or 1908 or
whatever it was and of course these sort of sections

are used much more in prosecutions in this day and age

than perhaps they were hitherto. Perhaps that has

got to do with the fact that there are a lot more
crimes of this nature than hitherto, but the fact of
the matter is, the judges quite frequently - it is
a regular part of their function now to be dealing

with this sort of deeming provision in all of the

sorts of cases we are talking about, but especially

in drug cases, and it has not been the practice in

Victoria to give any specific direction as to the

meaning of the word "occupancy", any more than it

has been - - -

McHUGH J:  But what about CLARKE AND JOHNSTONE? There was

a fairly - - -

MR FLANAGAN:  That was a case where some guidance and direction

was given, we conced~ Your Honour.

MASON CJ: Are you saying it is not the practice to give

guidance in Victoria?

MR FLANAGAN:  No, I am not saying that, Your Honour. I am

saying it is not the practice to define or give a

meaning to the jury of the word "occupancy". I
am sorry if I misinformed Your Honour on that. They

do not any more than for instance they normally would

give a definition of what is meant by "used" or

"enjoyed" or "controlled", and it is very unlikely

that they would ever get to the stage of giving a

definition of "in any place whatsoever", as it seems

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to be very broad, and that is the point in the

legislature's intention, we would say, was to create

very broad and use very broad terms that laymen
might understand and not to use technical terms and

there is probably validity in the submission, with respect, that in using this form of legislation it is the intention of the draftsmen to get away from technicality, to get away from the problems that the

law has faced over what really amounts to possession

in a particular circumstance and to use ordinary

non-technical laymen's language and it would be

submitted that to take my learned friend's interpretation

of what the word "occupation" means, or "occupied"

means, would be to import into that word, as he would

put it, some element of control by the accused person.

And it is submitted that to do that, to say that

a person only occupies a place when he has some actual

element of control, is not saying much more than the

cormnon law definition says, as exactly as the judge
put it to them at page, I think, 112, where he put

it to them in these terms:

Possession has two elements, Mr Foreman.

First of all, it means a capacity to exercise
control over the thing which is said to be
possessed, in this context, of course,
either heroin or amphetamine or hashish.

Might I just pause to say something that perhaps has not been brought to the Court's attention yet,

and there maybe a mis interpretation as to it. In
terms of the back room the bedroom, which was said

to be used by the applicant, there was hashish

found there, quite apart from the marihuana. I

was not sure that that had been stated clearly

earlier, Your Honour. But then to go back to what
His Honour is saying: 

That control may be exercised either alone or

must be present an intention that the man jointly with another or with others. There
intends to enjoy and exercise such capacity
of control over that particular drug, that is,
capacity to exercise control, either alone or
jointly, and an intention to exercise control.

Well now -

DAWSON J:  Now,that is a fairly technical sort of definition,
it. may or may not have assisted the jury, but in

relation to occupation he could have said something

so simple, just something to the effect, "Well

gentlemen, the question really is whether this was

Robinson's room or whether it is a room used by all

of them. Now you may well conclude that if it was

used by all of them, they all occupied it, because

occupation does not have to be exclusive. If it was

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Robinson's room, well then,it may be a different

situation".

J:1R FLANAGAN: Well, I concede he could have said that,

Your Honour.

DAWSON J:  And then the jury would have been directed in the
right way, p.it in the right direction anyway.
J:1R FLANAGAN:  I have to concede he could have said that,

Your Honour.

DAWSON J:  But they are at sea otherwise.
J:1R FLANAGAN: Yes, but the point that I am making, Your Honour,

my friend is saying that the jury may have been

confused as to what their true function was here,
that they did not get the adequate guidance that
should be deemed to be necessary to be given to the

jury.

McHUGH J: But that is the problem, is it not, because there

is ambiguity in the word "occupied". You have only

got to see the difference of opinion between

Mr Justice Hampel in HALL V FOSTER and

Mr Justice Fullagar in this particular case. The
what 11 occupied11 means.and yet the matter is just left learned judges in the supreme court cannot agree upon
to the jury at large.

J:1R FLANAGAN: Well, we would have submitted Your Honour, in

answer to that question, that it would be quite wrong

of the judge to attempt to give a legal _
definition to the word "occupied", because that may

seem to confuse rather than to assist in a case. The

real question is whether he addresses their attention

to what the real matter for decision in the case is,

and the question here is that His Honour has told them

over and over again that they have got to be

satisfied of possession beyond reasonable doubt. He

has told them of the fact, the structure of his charge

is to give the definition, which is the normal

definition given in almost all -cases,and I say almost

all, but the one that is regularly given, and then

to say that the Parliament has extended what "possession"

means. And every time he talks about "beyond reasonable

doubt" he is talking about "possession" including the

extended meaning of it. So that we say there was no

suggestion here that they might have been mislead as

to where the true onus was. He expressed it any

number of times. We concede that nCMhere in here

will you find that he specifically says, "You have

to be satisfied, beyond reasonable doubt, that he

was the occupant". He does not say that. You cannot
find it here. It is not there, but in the way in which

he structures his charge every time, he is structuring

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it by defining "possession11 , defining the onus and

saying that the Parliament has extended the meaning

0£ the word "possession" by including these situations, but he does not go on to give a legal meaning to each

of those particular situations. And we say he has

done no less and no more than just that and we do

put it that in the particular circumstances of the

case. even though, for instance, the hashish was

found in the bedroom there was no need to go on

and analyse every little bit of evidence that was

there in relation to that and there was a syringe

found Lnere, for instance, and some money, I think
from memory, and of course the marihuana to which
he had already pleaded guilty and I think a bag and

a brown box that contained the cake of hashish and

silver foil, which is the sort of thing used to

package these materials when in fact they are being

trafficked in,and what you would expect them to be in

if somebody is in possession of them.

But what we say, in relation to that_- it

is hard to imagine what more His Honour could have

said in those circumstances, for instance about the

usage or enjoyment of them. Does he go on to say, "Well, they were there and you can infer usage from

it" that there is no actual evidence that anybody

saw him chewing it or smoking it or whatever one does

with these various substances? So that we would put

it that the jury were left under no illusions at all

here. At all times he is saying to them, 11 You have

got to be satisfied beyond reasonable doubt what

"possession' means, and it has an extended meaning".

Now I cannot put words into His Honour's mouth and

suggest that there are thingstbere: that he said or

we can infer that he should have said. We can only
go on what he has actually said to them.

As to the special leave point, Your Honours, we

would put in here that if the Court were to take the

view that there had been some omission, in the

circumstances, that the law required some particular
direction in these particular circu ances
nevertheless it does not give rise a special leave

point in the circumstances of this case. As I say, this Court of Criminal Appeal~ not the High Court- really are deciding, unanimously, that in the

particular circumstances of this case it was not

necessary for the judge, as a matter of law, to give

directions further than he did. They are not for a

moment in fact Mr Justice Crockett says that in his

judgment which is agreed in by the other two, at
page 171:

It may be allowed there may be cases in which some direction or amplification of the meaning

of the term is called for.

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Now they have examined the circumstances of this case and they have said no more in this particular

case in terms of other courts following them: than

the fact that the particular circumstances of this

case did not call for any further direction. And

a lot of the reason one might have thought - I mean

might be regarded as significant in the particular case

there are a lot of reasons that no doubt compel

is that the fact that this deeming provision, which

in that one respect changes the onus of proof, there

was no effort in this particular case. This was not

a case where the judge really was compelled ~o go

into any detail about it and start giving a lot of

assistance, which may have not assisted the accused at all because this was a case where he stood mute.

McHUGH J: Is there not error in the approach of Mr Justice Crockett

at 171 where - - -

MR FLANAGAN:  171, Your Honour?
McHUGH J:  171, the page to which you referred us,

where His Honour says;

The manner in which the case was conducted

shows, therefore, that the dispute, if it were

a dispute, was concerned with the question as to whether the applicant was a visitor or resident, that is to say was or was not an occupier.

Now,His Honour seems to have taken the view that

if he was a resident in the premises. then he was

an occupier but in the context of this case that

does not follow at all, does it? He may well have

been a resi.dent in the premises but he may not

have been an occupier of the room where the heroin

was.

MR FLANAGAN: Well, Your Honour, if we look to that case that

was referred to earlier the one of CLARKE AND JOHNSTONE,

that is whre some assistance was sought to be given

to the jury and it was said that there was no error

in what the judge had done there and that it was not

inadequate direction. They go on in fact to say that

it was too favourable, because the judge had started

off there at the foot of page 650, by saying:

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MR FLANAGAN (continuing): 

Occupation in that context means more than
having the right to occupy. It requires

that the accused whose case you are considering

did actually occupy the land. It would be

sufficient if the accused maintained a physical

presence by constantly being present.

Well, then they go on later to say that requirement of

"constant physical presence" is not necessarily for

proof of occupation.

MASON CJ: There is nothing wrong with that sentence in itself.

It would be wrong if you read it as requiring

physical presence by constantly being present.

MR FLANAGAN:  Yes, Your Honour. But what I am putting to the

Court there is that mere physical presence may

amount to occupation. It does not necessarily

follow that it has to, but it may and in this case

when His Honour Mr Justice Crockett is talking about

being a resident, it must be assumed that, at least,

he is talking about , presence - physical presence.

I would submit to the Court that what His Honour

is doing there is perhaps not using the most

felicitous language to express what it was that he was

intending to convey, but what he was really doing was

drawing a distinction there between what was really

fought out as the real issue between the jury and the

Crown and on the one side you have got the defendant

who stood mute, endeavouring by cross-examination,

to which he very rarely gets an answer his way- but

suggesting by cross-examination--and His Honour

position of having to try to work out,from haviLg read

that cross-examination, what it is - the best it is

that can be said for the accused and what he is trying

to say for himself and what the accused - and he has got

to confine himself within the language that the accused -

the words he is using to convey whatever it is he is

wanting to get through to the jury and what the fellow,

obviously, was trying to put into the jury's mind as

being a reason for acquitting him was this concept

that he really was not connected with the place

of controlling it or :b. charge of it, they were the sort

of questions he put to the accomplice, for instance.

But his contact was merely- although he did not the

word - of a transitory nature whereas the Crown case

was making it perfectly clear that there was an actual

positive arrangement, lease and so forth,and that

the accused had entered into an arrangement with these
other people; there were four people who had access

to the house who were apparently living there; that

certain rooms were common to them, the lounge,and some

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were set aside, to some extent in the sense that

they were used for sleeping purpose exclusively

by. different people but not necessarily so as to

exclude one from having access to any one or other

of the rooms._. Clearly that was not ·what the .ev:i:dence

conveyed. The other thing, of course, is that che

accused, himself, was apprehended in the very lounge room

where all these things are seen to have been and,

in terms of the heroin which was a rather more

serious matter, in terms of the possession or the

trafficking. But the point, I think - I do not want

to get away from it, Your Honours - am trying to rnake

is that here is a judge in a Court of Criminal Appeal

that has very big lists trying to deal with a business

with expediency and expedition; trying to, having read

the particular cross-examination of the accused - because it is all he had to go on to try to work out what it was that the accused was trying to get through to the jury

as to being the reason why he should be acquitted and
whilst it might be suggested that there is an infelicity

in language, that it is not, perhaps, as precise as

it should be, His Honour is, nevertheless, I would

respectfully submit to the Court, accurately identifying

the two poles - what the polarization was that, on

the one hand you have got a person saying, "Look the

Crown case has been that I slept there, I lived there,

I was in an arrangement, I did not stay there all the

time but I was actually trafficking, directing and

controlling things on the premises",whereas what he is

saying himself - and he did not go into detail, of

course, about any of these things he just tried to take

particular points and get the best interpretation that

he hoped the jury would place upon it favourable to
himself and in doing that he was trying to convey the

idea,as he put to the accomplice, "Well look you are

suggesting I was in charge of it" and some others say,

"But look yo1,1 were in charge of the premises". All

he was really doing was endeavouring to say, "My part

in these proceedings was transitory~ I told the police

at the time I did not sell drug~_ Yes,I was there,

they got me there". He does not say it but that is what

he is trying to convey to the jury and that was the

simple issue. Was he in a situation where the law

would normally deem him to be in possession, in the

ordinary sense, or do we have to imply, or extend the

meaning of the ACT, so as to get him into some situation

where he is deemed to be something? In this case,
clearly, that was one of the factors in the Crown case
but the real point is that, we would submit, that the
jury can have been under no illusion as to what the real
issue was in the case .. The accused had not, in any way,

by giving any evidence at all,set out to show that, in

fact, he did have this transitory or fleeting connection

with the place. Really it was the Crown case going to
the jury with everything that the judge could find to say

for him and, in those circumstances, we would submit,

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there was very little more the judge could have said.

I can see what Mr Justice Dawson puts, that you could

have gone into some detail; you could have, perhaps,

been more felicitous in the choice of language. It

might have been that you might have said a number of

things, but what we are saying is none of it - or what

we are really saying is that what the judge did here

was adequate under the circumstances of the case; that

the jury could not have been under any illusion as to

what their duty was. The onus was expressed accurately

over and over again and when Mr Justice Crockett- coming

back to the point that was put to me by Your Honour a moment ago - when he is using this word of sort of distinguishing between 'resident' and 'visitor',I would

suggest he is merely using it as a convenient usage

of language if, perhaps, not an exact one, to indicate

this real issue in the case, what the case really was

as he interpreted i½ and it must be conceivably, we

suggest to Your Honours, that it is not easy to find the right words in this sort of context where the man has not p.opped into the box, or has not made an unsworn

statement and said something. The judge is really in a

very difficult situation trying to do his best in his

charge and that is a matter which, of course, this Court

would be well appreciative of. I do not know that there

is any other matters I want to address to the Court,

with respect. No I think that is all we wish to put

to the Court, if the Court pleases.

MASON CJ:  Yes, thank you,Mr Flanagan~ Yes, Mr Grace.
MR GRACE: 
Just some short matters in replY, Your Honours. To solve
the problem of drug use and abuse through a dee::iin::
clause such as the one under consideration, one ave.me
of approach which the legislature has adopted is to put
possession in the person, it is submitted, who might be
expected to have the right to determine who is entitled
to enter and remain on the premises and a right to
determine what substances are allowed or excluded from
the premises. 

Some measure of control in the individual concerned

is necessary, in my submission, to qualify one as having

occupied premises within the deeming: provision and

some possible assistance may be obtained from section 35

of 1:he Victorian INTERPRETATION OF LEGISLATION ACT 1984

which says this, in subsection (a):

In the interpretation of a provision of an Act or subordinate instrument-

(a) a construction that would promote the
purpose or object underlying the Act or
subordinate instrument (whether or not that

purpose or object is expressly stated in the

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Act or subordinate instrument) shall be

preferred to a construction that would not

promote that purpose or object -

In my submission, the purpose or object of section 5 is to put possession in the persons who have got some degree of measure of control and that is how the

section ought to be interpreted. The failure of the

learned trial judge to give any, or adequate, direction

as to the meaning of the word "occupied", in my

submission, deprived the applicant of a fair chance of

acquittal. He did not have the opportunity to have

the jury consider properly and under proper direction

as to what was meant or what steps they could take in

determining whether he occupied the premises.

In relation to what His Honour Mr Justice Crockett

had to say - and I adopt, with respect, the comments

of His Honour Justice McHugh -whether one is a visitor
or a resident really blurs the whole issue. A visitor

can be an occupieL a resident can be an occupier; a

resident may not be an occupier,a visitor may not be

an occupier. Establishing whether one is a visitor or

a resident is only one step along the way to establishing

whether one occupies or do not occupy a particular

premise.and, further,adequate directions were needed

because each individual member of the jury may have

adopted a different meaning to the word "occupied"

and,in my submission, that also is a telling factor

in relation to the particular injustice of this case and,

in particular, in respect of the administration of

justice that has occurred in this case. ~~dto adopt what

His Honour Justice Dawson said in MORRIS V REG (1987)

74 ALR 161 -it is also reported at (1987) 163 CLR 454. At

page 176,His Honour Justice Dawson said this, at line 46:

Section 35A of the JUD IC I.ARY ACT. 1903 ( Cth) allows
the court to have regard to· any matters that it

considers relevant, which confirms the

discretionary nature of the jurisdiction to grant
special leave. The section goes on to provide that,

in exercising that jurisdiction, the court shall

have regard to the public importance of any

question of law and the need to resolve judicial

differences of opinion concerning the state of the

law. In addition the court shall, under the

section, consider whether the administration of

justice, either generally or in the particular

case, requires an application for special leave
to be granted. Those criteria are to be_ found in

previous decisions of the court 1nd the section,

as far as it goes, is declaratory.

In my submission, at the very least, the grant of special

leave is justified because the question of resolution of

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differences of opinion between judges of the differences of opinion between judges and courts

:i.:1.1 various C:ifferent justidictions. Unless the Court
has any specific matters my attention ought to be

drawn to that completes my submission.

MASON CJ: Yes, thank you Mr Grace. The Court will take a short

adjournment in order to consider the course it

will oursue in this matter.

AT 3.48 'PM SHORT ADJOURNMENT

UPON RESUMING AT 3.58 PM:

MASON CJ: The principle ground urged in support of this application

for special leave to appeal is that the trial judge

failed to give the jury sufficient guidance as to the

meaning of the words "occupied by him" where they appear

in section 5 of the DRUGS, POISONS AND CONTROL
SUBSTANCES ACT 1981 of the State of Victoria.

The trial judge did not offer any definition of the word "occupied" or any examples of what constitutes

occupation for the purposes of the section. Perhaps

that was because the concept of occupation does not

readily lend itself to legal definition and the question

whether a person may be said to be in occupation of

particular premises turns very much on the facts of the

given case. Nonetheless, notwithstanding the view

expressed by the Full Court at page 171 of the

application book,we consider that the trial judge should

have given further guidance to the jury by way of
illustration and analysis of the evidence. However,

we are not persuaded that this case, if special leave

were granted, would result in any useful elaboration

of general principle and having regard to the way in

which the trial was conducted we are not persuaded

that on this, or any other ground, there has been any

miscarriage of justice. Accordingly the application

for special leave to appeal is refused.

MR FLANAGAN:  May it please the Court.

AT 4.00 PM THE MATTER WAS ADJOURNED SINE DIE

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